2014-08-11 UTC
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# 22:45 tantek greetings #social, I've created a page on the wiki for folks to add their IRC nickname and URL and timezone. # 22:54 tantek I don't think we resolved who the chair is for tomorrow though # 22:55 tantek who would be responsible for adding items to that agenda page # 23:03 tantek in particular, I'm going to tag a few people to go add themselves to https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC-people : Arnaud, barnabywalters, bret, harry, kylewm, tommorris - the rest of you please tag more people once you've added yourself :) bblfish joined the channel
# 23:08 mattl tantek: how are we going to use the image of our faces? It doesn't seem to display right now. # 23:12 tantek mattl - with any luck with #sysreq fixes, it will display # 23:14 Arnaud I thought Harry said we would really start in September to give time for people to join # 23:14 tantek harry, could you confirm that you have reserved Zakim for our usual SocialWG time call for tomorrow? # 23:14 harry good question - do we want another informal call? # 23:14 harry The only real open question is if we want to meet earlier I think. # 23:14 harry or if folks are still having trouble signing up # 23:15 tantek rather than guessing, I suggest you check last week's minutes first :) # 23:15 harry Right now we are 1:00 PM PDT/4:00 EDT/10:00 PM CET # 23:15 harry Europeans claim that is too late, which is rather reasoanble. # 23:15 tantek harry, you asked a question after the telcon was over # 23:15 tantek so I asked you to add it to the agenda for the next week, which is tomorrow # 23:16 harry I'm on vacation the week after, so I'd like this settled. # 23:16 tantek ergo, outstanding action item for Harry to add his agenda item "hoping to discuss this" where "this" presumably refers to "reoccuring time" # 23:17 tantek harry, that doodle link you gave in IRC is 404 # 23:17 tantek Arnaud, harry, do you remember who we said would chair this week? I recall discussing it but don't see it in the minutes # 23:18 harry We could give EvanP a try but he's not on IRVC # 23:19 Arnaud I wouldn't mind if I knew what the call is for # 23:19 Arnaud according to doodle, we have two preferred options # 23:20 Arnaud given that James Snell is an editor we should probably take 11 # 23:20 tantek Arnaud, are you ok with having that discussion of what time to have the telcon on IRC instead of on the telcon? # 23:20 harry In my experience, that's too early for pacific folks # 23:20 tantek you too harry - would you rather have this discussion in IRC than in a telcon? # 23:20 harry well, I'm seeing what times are good with folks - happy to do it in IRC rather than telecon. # 23:21 aaronpk seems like an async poll to find a good time for people is better than a sync poll which requires people to be online at the same time # 23:21 tantek harry - why isn't the current telcon time on the doodle? # 23:22 tantek harry, bad methodology. folks don't usually ask for the status quo, they assume it. # 23:22 harry I am actualy rather busy for next two hours - but will be happy to cancel telecon tomorrow. # 23:22 tantek plus you put 13:00 PT Monday on the poll, but not 13:00 PT Tuesday?!? # 23:22 tantek especially given that it's the current time of the call # 23:23 harry If you want that to be added back in, that's fine. # 23:23 Arnaud aaronpk: we already have an async poll going on with doodle, don't we? # 23:23 harry Again, 13:00 Pacific actually *is* too late for most European folks # 23:23 tantek Arnaud, except said async poll omits current time # 23:23 tantek harry, again, 13:00 Pacific *is in the poll* for Monday but not Tuesday # 23:24 harry I am willing to do late telecons on Monday due to another late telecon I have that day. # 23:24 harry If you want me to add Tuesday back in I'm happy to. # 23:25 harry I'm more interested in seeing West Coasters actually fill out poll. nicolagreco joined the channel
# 23:26 tantek Arnaud, I have news for you, we are operating with that assumption # 23:26 tantek all other fora are merely informal discussion # 23:27 tantek Arnaud, ah, then if you know I am, then you knew to interpret my use of "current" as meaning - check the wiki # 23:27 harry anyways wiki currently does not specify next meeting date # 23:27 harry so let's figure it out - can we do a drive to get west-coasters to fill out poll # 23:28 harry We are missing quite a few key folks - Kevin Marks comes to mind # 23:28 tantek no you need to update the poll first before people *can* do it # 23:29 Arnaud I think we're going to have a serious problem with the time for the call # 23:29 Arnaud tantek's position makes it impossible to hold the call at any decent/normal time for Europe # 23:29 harry I'm happy to add the current time but as warned earlier, this time will not work for me forever on a repeating basis # 23:30 tantek Arnaud - what about my "position" makes what "impossible"? # 23:30 Arnaud the earliest you said you're available is 10am Pacific, right? # 23:30 harry 7:00 PM Europe works for me much better than 10:00 PM. # 23:30 harry I think for many Europeans that is possible. # 23:31 harry In fact, on the poll it seems most people can make that time. # 23:31 tantek the poll will say without having to weasel-word 3rd party guess # 23:32 harry I suggest we try to see if Matt Marum, Anne Bassetti, and doug can be convinced that time is OK. # 23:32 harry I find that if you do calls too early in the west coast you eventualy lose all west-coasters # 23:32 harry I'm happy to do one more telecon at this late time - we can use it to debate the time of the future telecon :) # 23:33 harry And more discussion about the API component would be interesting # 23:33 tantek we can also go over action items from last week # 23:33 tantek since those are a discrete specific set of things # 23:33 harry and then if there's no objections, switch to 10:00 Pacific # 23:33 harry That's also a lunch-break call for Eastern # 23:33 harry which is good or bad depending on how you feel about lunch # 23:33 tantek harry - re: "discussion about the API component" - that seems quite open ended, is there a URL you'd like to refer to for that? # 23:34 shepazu I can't make that time on Tuesdays, but you shouldn't gate it on me # 23:34 harry I'll see if I can drag up link - see Erick Wilde's points # 23:34 tantek hello shepazu, not for tomorrow. we're discussing possibility of switching to 10:00PT/13:00ET for next week onward. # 23:34 Arnaud harry, you wouldn't lose me with an early call :) # 23:34 shepazu I really don't get why it has to be a Tuesday telcon # 23:35 Arnaud doug, it doesn't, I suppose in all fairnesee we could extend the poll to every day, every hour and see what we get # 23:35 harry ok, but I won't be able to make that in the future. # 23:35 harry Tantek - also no way you can make Monday at 10:00 AM Pacific? # 23:35 tantek harry, could we extend the poll to other days? # 23:36 tantek harry - no, Mondays are already booked with transit / meetings for me 10-13:00PT # 23:36 mattl harry: are you in the w3c office these days? # 23:37 harry Well, Wednesday is the day of the social ig # 23:37 Arnaud but honestly, I think this kind of broad poll is limited in value # 23:37 Arnaud if you make it large enough you will always end up with no good time # 23:37 harry and they did their Doodle first, so I chose Monday/Tuesday after them. # 23:37 Arnaud I usually figure what works for the chairs, team contacts, and editors, and go with that # 23:37 harry My proposition is we aim for Tuesday at 10:00 AM # 23:37 tantek (and you post "social" content there, including a "blogroll" with XFN social relationships) # 23:38 Arnaud taking into account that we do have people in Europe # 23:38 tantek shepazu - I'd be surprised if 50% of the WG members have their own website # 23:38 harry Many Europeans still seem able to make that. # 23:39 tantek shepazu, thus you have personal interest publishing "social" content to the "web" which is valuable input for the group # 23:39 harry Anyways, we can go in hours endlessly - if no chairs/editors/staff object and we aren't being too crazy for either people in Californai or Europe # 23:39 harry Anyways, shepazu - is the WebPlatform telecon Team internal or is it like all sorts of people? # 23:40 shepazu harry, it's lots of different people from lots of different orgs in different timezones, and we finally found a time that works for us after years of trying # 23:40 harry hehe - I think the good times are always around this time if you are doing Europe->California # 23:41 shepazu so, I'm not moving it, and I won't be able to join Tuesdays at 13:00 ET # 23:41 harry ok, well we arent out the woods yet, but we'll check in tomorrow # 23:41 harry The Social IG requested not to be on the same day as us and wanted to be after us # 23:41 harry They rather inconveniently did a Doodle first and chose Wed. # 23:41 tantek shepazu, Wednesday was not included on the Doodle? Though I'm all for adding it. # 23:42 shepazu then let them move theirs, if they want to be after ours # 23:43 shepazu yeah, or it could be resolved quickly if they can move their time/day # 23:44 shepazu ok, you're set on a time I can't attend, I'm not going to push it # 23:44 harry Everyone can add whatever times they want! # 23:44 harry I gotta go in a sec, so I'll just send a quick reminder of the telecon out and update wiki # 23:44 harry Tantek - anything else for agenda? Can you chair? # 23:45 harry Otherwise, let's go through action items and try to nail a time and official WG start date. # 23:45 tantek harry, I take it you have reserved Zakim for the time? # 23:46 harry The time will be reserved using usual ad-hoc till we settle for a weekly official time, as usual. # 23:46 harry Which means I set it when I wake up tomorrow! # 23:47 harry Otherwise adminreq gets irritated if we keep switching times # 23:48 Arnaud what do you hope to achieve on a call tomorrow? # 23:49 Arnaud the fact that we don't have an agenda is a strong indication that we don't know what that call is for # 23:49 tantek usually it takes a few minutes for the chair to write up an agenda ;) # 23:50 tantek we should have minuted who the chair was last week # 23:50 Arnaud ok, no problem, as long as I don't have to make something up :) # 23:51 tantek Arnaud, if you want to chair I will gladly defer, I only accepted since Harry asked me first. :) # 23:52 tantek s/will gladly defer,/will gladly defer since I chaired last week, # 23:54 aaronpk but I think some people had checked the 7am option # 23:55 harry Just don't delete all timezones that are nice to europeans!! # 23:55 aaronpk well now all the options are totally reasonable for us -0700 folk # 23:56 tantek that's what happens when harry delegates the poll editing to a US/Pacific person # 23:57 Arnaud tantek: thanks but I wouldn't know what to put on the agenda # 23:58 tantek Arnaud, ok no problem. I'll do my best based on last week's general outline and you can feel free to critique my newbie chairing skills # 23:58 tantek that is, me as a newbie chair, not my chairing of newbies
aaronpk is there a call tomorrow? the wiki page is still blank https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-08-12
tantek go ahead and add yourselves: https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC-people
harry Maybe its missing a character: http://doodle.com/pwzi33rcnnagwzg7