#social 2014-08-11

2014-08-11 UTC
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aaronpk
sorry for the join/part spam
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aaronpk
is there a call tomorrow? the wiki page is still blank https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-08-12
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tantek
greetings #social, I've created a page on the wiki for folks to add their IRC nickname and URL and timezone.
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tantek
go ahead and add yourselves: https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC-people
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tantek
aaronpk - there is a call tomorrow yes
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tantek
I don't think we resolved who the chair is for tomorrow though
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tantek
who would be responsible for adding items to that agenda page
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tantek
in particular, I'm going to tag a few people to go add themselves to https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC-people : Arnaud, barnabywalters, bret, harry, kylewm, tommorris - the rest of you please tag more people once you've added yourself :)
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mattl
tantek: done.
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tantek
thanks mattl!
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mattl
tantek: how are we going to use the image of our faces? It doesn't seem to display right now.
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tantek
mattl - with any luck with #sysreq fixes, it will display
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tantek
similar to the folks adding it to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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Arnaud
tantek, there is a call tomorrow?
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Arnaud
what for?
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tantek
weekly call
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Arnaud
I thought Harry said we would really start in September to give time for people to join
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tantek
harry, could you confirm that you have reserved Zakim for our usual SocialWG time call for tomorrow?
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Arnaud
how many informal calls can we have? :)
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harry
good question - do we want another informal call?
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harry
The only real open question is if we want to meet earlier I think.
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harry
or if folks are still having trouble signing up
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Arnaud
have we settled on the time for the calls?
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tantek
rather than guessing, I suggest you check last week's minutes first :)
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harry
Right now we are 1:00 PM PDT/4:00 EDT/10:00 PM CET
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harry
Europeans claim that is too late, which is rather reasoanble.
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tantek
harry, you asked a question after the telcon was over
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tantek
so I asked you to add it to the agenda for the next week, which is tomorrow
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harry
Is there anything else on the agenda?
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harry
I'm on vacation the week after, so I'd like this settled.
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tantek
ergo, outstanding action item for Harry to add his agenda item "hoping to discuss this" where "this" presumably refers to "reoccuring time"
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tantek
harry, that doodle link you gave in IRC is 404
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harry
Maybe its missing a character: http://doodle.com/pwzi33rcnnagwzg7
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tantek
Arnaud, harry, do you remember who we said would chair this week? I recall discussing it but don't see it in the minutes
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harry
We could give EvanP a try but he's not on IRVC
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Arnaud
I wouldn't mind if I knew what the call is for
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Arnaud
according to doodle, we have two preferred options
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Arnaud
Tue 10am or 11am ET
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harry
That's 7:00 AM and 8:00 Pacific
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Arnaud
given that James Snell is an editor we should probably take 11
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Arnaud
he says he can't do 10
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tantek
Arnaud, are you ok with having that discussion of what time to have the telcon on IRC instead of on the telcon?
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harry
In my experience, that's too early for pacific folks
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Arnaud
8am Pacific?
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tantek
you too harry - would you rather have this discussion in IRC than in a telcon?
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tantek
(as you are implicitly doing)
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harry
well, I'm seeing what times are good with folks - happy to do it in IRC rather than telecon.
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Arnaud
it doesn't matter to me
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mattl
i prefer IRC to a telcon
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aaronpk
seems like an async poll to find a good time for people is better than a sync poll which requires people to be online at the same time
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tantek
harry - why isn't the current telcon time on the doodle?
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aaronpk
you know, self-fulfilling prophecies and all
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harry
because folks asked for earlier
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tantek
harry, bad methodology. folks don't usually ask for the status quo, they assume it.
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harry
I am actualy rather busy for next two hours - but will be happy to cancel telecon tomorrow.
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tantek
plus you put 13:00 PT Monday on the poll, but not 13:00 PT Tuesday?!?
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tantek
that seems like a very odd omission
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harry
We have internal W3C conflicts
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tantek
especially given that it's the current time of the call
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harry
If you want that to be added back in, that's fine.
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Arnaud
aaronpk: we already have an async poll going on with doodle, don't we?
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harry
Again, 13:00 Pacific actually *is* too late for most European folks
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Arnaud
all we are talking is processing the input
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tantek
Arnaud, except said async poll omits current time
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harry
Yes, that was intentional.
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tantek
harry, again, 13:00 Pacific *is in the poll* for Monday but not Tuesday
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tantek
why the difference?
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tantek
between M/T ?
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harry
I am willing to do late telecons on Monday due to another late telecon I have that day.
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Arnaud
tantek: current time? you mean 4pm Pacific?
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tantek
harry - ok - but that's your poll
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Arnaud
you can't be serious
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harry
If you want me to add Tuesday back in I'm happy to.
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aaronpk
Arnaud: "current time" = 1pm tuesday
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tantek
Arnaud "current" = what wiki says
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tantek
since wiki = truth
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harry
I'm more interested in seeing West Coasters actually fill out poll.
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Arnaud
ah, ok
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Arnaud
I have news for you, tantek, wiki != truth
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tantek
Arnaud, I have news for you, we are operating with that assumption
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tantek
all other fora are merely informal discussion
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Arnaud
tantek, I know you are
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tantek
Arnaud, ah, then if you know I am, then you knew to interpret my use of "current" as meaning - check the wiki
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Arnaud
well, evidently not
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harry
anyways wiki currently does not specify next meeting date
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Arnaud
which shows the limit of your basis
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tantek
harry - wiki specifies repeating time
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Arnaud
but anyway, I won't bother arguing with you
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harry
so let's figure it out - can we do a drive to get west-coasters to fill out poll
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harry
We are missing quite a few key folks - Kevin Marks comes to mind
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tantek
harry, ETA on updating poll?
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harry
Whenever people actually do it.
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tantek
no you need to update the poll first before people *can* do it
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harry
why - it works just fine from wiki.
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Arnaud
I think we're going to have a serious problem with the time for the call
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Arnaud
tantek's position makes it impossible to hold the call at any decent/normal time for Europe
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harry
I'm happy to add the current time but as warned earlier, this time will not work for me forever on a repeating basis
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tantek
Arnaud - what about my "position" makes what "impossible"?
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Arnaud
the earliest you said you're available is 10am Pacific, right?
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harry
7:00 PM Europe works for me much better than 10:00 PM.
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Arnaud
that's 7pm europe
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harry
I think for many Europeans that is possible.
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harry
And easier than 10 pm.
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harry
In fact, on the poll it seems most people can make that time.
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tantek
the poll will say without having to weasel-word 3rd party guess
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harry
I suggest we try to see if Matt Marum, Anne Bassetti, and doug can be convinced that time is OK.
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tantek
I put tomorrow as tentative for the telcon since we're not sure ourselves as chair(s) and team contact https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Telecons
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harry
I find that if you do calls too early in the west coast you eventualy lose all west-coasters
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harry
I'm happy to do one more telecon at this late time - we can use it to debate the time of the future telecon :)
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harry
And more discussion about the API component would be interesting
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tantek
we can also go over action items from last week
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harry
OK, so let's do a telecon tomorrow
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tantek
since those are a discrete specific set of things
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harry
and then if there's no objections, switch to 10:00 Pacific
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harry
That's also a lunch-break call for Eastern
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harry
which is good or bad depending on how you feel about lunch
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tantek
harry - re: "discussion about the API component" - that seems quite open ended, is there a URL you'd like to refer to for that?
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shepazu
1pm ET?
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shepazu
I can't make that time on Tuesdays, but you shouldn't gate it on me
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harry
I'll see if I can drag up link - see Erick Wilde's points
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harry
why not shepazu?
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harry
Another WG?
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tantek
hello shepazu, not for tomorrow. we're discussing possibility of switching to 10:00PT/13:00ET for next week onward.
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Arnaud
harry, you wouldn't lose me with an early call :)
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shepazu
community telcon for WebPlatform.org
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shepazu
I could do that time on any day but Tuesdays
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shepazu
I really don't get why it has to be a Tuesday telcon
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tantek
harry is it possible to still get 13:00 PT added to http://doodle.com/pwzi33rcnnagwzg7 ?
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tantek
for Tuesday?
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Arnaud
doug, it doesn't, I suppose in all fairnesee we could extend the poll to every day, every hour and see what we get
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harry
ok, but I won't be able to make that in the future.
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shepazu
in general, Tuesdays are terrible for me
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harry
Tantek - also no way you can make Monday at 10:00 AM Pacific?
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tantek
harry, could we extend the poll to other days?
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shepazu
but again, I'm not that important to this WG
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shepazu
not as important as active implementers, anyway
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tantek
harry - no, Mondays are already booked with transit / meetings for me 10-13:00PT
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shepazu
what about Webnesdays?
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mattl
harry: are you in the w3c office these days?
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shepazu
Wednesdays
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harry
Well, Wednesday is the day of the social ig
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Arnaud
but honestly, I think this kind of broad poll is limited in value
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harry
they wanted to be the day after us
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tantek
shepazu: you have your own site http://schepers.cc/ so that counts for a lot in my book :)
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Arnaud
if you make it large enough you will always end up with no good time
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harry
and they did their Doodle first, so I chose Monday/Tuesday after them.
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Arnaud
I usually figure what works for the chairs, team contacts, and editors, and go with that
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harry
My proposition is we aim for Tuesday at 10:00 AM
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shepazu
who doesn't have their own website??
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tantek
(and you post "social" content there, including a "blogroll" with XFN social relationships)
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Arnaud
taking into account that we do have people in Europe
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tantek
shepazu - I'd be surprised if 50% of the WG members have their own website
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harry
Many Europeans still seem able to make that.
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shepazu
harry, 10am ET, or PT?
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Arnaud
shepazu: I don't
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harry
10 AM ET
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harry
s/ET/PT
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harry
sorry, 10 AM PT
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tantek
shepazu, thus you have personal interest publishing "social" content to the "web" which is valuable input for the group
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harry
Anyways, we can go in hours endlessly - if no chairs/editors/staff object and we aren't being too crazy for either people in Californai or Europe
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tantek
s/interest/experience
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harry
Anyways, shepazu - is the WebPlatform telecon Team internal or is it like all sorts of people?
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shepazu
harry, it's lots of different people from lots of different orgs in different timezones, and we finally found a time that works for us after years of trying
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harry
hehe - I think the good times are always around this time if you are doing Europe->California
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shepazu
so, I'm not moving it, and I won't be able to join Tuesdays at 13:00 ET
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harry
ok, well we arent out the woods yet, but we'll check in tomorrow
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shepazu
what's wrong with Wednesday?
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harry
The Social IG requested not to be on the same day as us and wanted to be after us
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harry
They rather inconveniently did a Doodle first and chose Wed.
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tantek
shepazu, Wednesday was not included on the Doodle? Though I'm all for adding it.
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shepazu
then let them move theirs, if they want to be after ours
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harry
fun fun fun
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shepazu
they can meet on Thursday or Friday
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harry
Well, this could loop endlessly
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harry
someone will always be unhappy
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harry
The Doodle Admin link is here:
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shepazu
yeah, or it could be resolved quickly if they can move their time/day
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shepazu
ok, you're set on a time I can't attend, I'm not going to push it
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shepazu
I'll try to monitor via email
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harry
Everyone can add whatever times they want!
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harry
I gotta go in a sec, so I'll just send a quick reminder of the telecon out and update wiki
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harry
Tantek - anything else for agenda? Can you chair?
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harry
Otherwise, let's go through action items and try to nail a time and official WG start date.
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harry
Arnaud, could you chair?
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tantek
harry - I can chair
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tantek
harry, I take it you have reserved Zakim for the time?
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harry
The time will be reserved using usual ad-hoc till we settle for a weekly official time, as usual.
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harry
Which means I set it when I wake up tomorrow!
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harry
Otherwise adminreq gets irritated if we keep switching times
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Arnaud
what do you hope to achieve on a call tomorrow?
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Arnaud
the fact that we don't have an agenda is a strong indication that we don't know what that call is for
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Arnaud
and therefore shouldn't have it
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tantek
Arnaud - we just decided on a chair
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tantek
usually it takes a few minutes for the chair to write up an agenda ;)
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tantek
we should have minuted who the chair was last week
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tantek
for this week's call
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tantek
so that's my bad as last week's chair
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tantek
for not making that explicit
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Arnaud
ok, no problem, as long as I don't have to make something up :)
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tantek
Arnaud, if you want to chair I will gladly defer, I only accepted since Harry asked me first. :)
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tantek
s/will gladly defer,/will gladly defer since I chaired last week,
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tantek
ooh looks like I didn't break the poll!
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harry
yes you can add all the times you want
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harry
keep going!
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tantek
shepazu I added Wednesday and Thursday to the poll, please feel free to edit your entry and answer for those slots: http://doodle.com/pwzi33rcnnagwzg7
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aaronpk
wait wasn't there a 7am option before?
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tantek
oh oops
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aaronpk
oh dear
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aaronpk
but I think some people had checked the 7am option
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tantek
they'll have to recheck it.
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harry
ok, announcment set.
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aaronpk
and the 3/4am options are intentionally gone?
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harry
Anyways, enjoy fun with Doodle
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harry
Just don't delete all timezones that are nice to europeans!!
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harry
gotta go eat, signing off.
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aaronpk
well now all the options are totally reasonable for us -0700 folk
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tantek
that's what happens when harry delegates the poll editing to a US/Pacific person
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tantek
will be interesting to see what happens W Th
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Arnaud
tantek: thanks but I wouldn't know what to put on the agenda
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tantek
Arnaud, ok no problem. I'll do my best based on last week's general outline and you can feel free to critique my newbie chairing skills
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tantek
that is, me as a newbie chair, not my chairing of newbies