#social 2014-11-25

2014-11-25 UTC
Arnaud1, Arnaud, tantek, bblfish, richlitt, jaywink, nicolagreco, nicolagreco_, the_frey, elf-pavlik, harry, hhalpin and bryan joined the channel
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tantek good morning #social!
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Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message on 11/21 at 2:32pm: http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/13 Arnaud mentioned over mailing list that he wanted to confirm that you picked this action
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tantek elf-pavlik: looks like Evan's got that one.
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tantek updated assigned: https://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/13
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elf-pavlik hi tantek o/
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elf-pavlik cool! i remember your and Arnaud's story with https://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/4 :D
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tantek hah - I can't find the place in IRC where that came up
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tantek hmm - our minutes should link to the IRC logs
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tantek (from the wiki)
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elf-pavlik makes sense
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elf-pavlik tantek, http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-09-16/line/1410890475712
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tantek yup - found it :)
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tantek copying your minutes of Arnaud's statements from IRC to wiki ;)
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elf-pavlik needs to prepare little more with https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Facebook_API
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tantek it's a big API
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evanpro Is it?
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evanpro I'm not sure I understand it.
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evanpro OK, let's chat after the call, then.
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tantek the Facebook API is pretty big
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tantek https://developers.facebook.com/docs/
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tantek I don't know how much of that we need to use as input for Social Web APIs but there's a lot to analyze
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elf-pavlik I focused only on Graph API v2.2 https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api
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bblfish hi, is the conf call in a few minutes?
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AdamB i believe its in an hour
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AdamB Tuesdays at 10am US/Pacific, 1pm US/Eastern time for 60 minutes
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bblfish oh good thanks
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evanpro Correct
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jasnell For the "Extended Vocabulary" portion of today's call... please take a look at the following proposed draft updates: http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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Loqi jasnell: elf-pavlik left you a message on 11/18 at 4:42pm: to try with tantek map this IRC log to AS https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Microformats_Mapping
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jasnell Includes: Extended Vocabulary terms based on review of existing social platform capabilities + Extended examples including microdata, microformats, turtle
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elf-pavlik jasnell++, very cool!
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Loqi jasnell has 2 karma
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elf-pavlik i plan to work on illustrating actions/activities and also having multiple serializations, first very rough drafts https://drive.google.com/drive/#folders/0B6gVU-928vbCWHFNZGVEVVY0elU/0B6gVU-928vbCREhaa1UxSFZFNFk
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jasnell I do need the microformats examples reviewed/improved
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elf-pavlik tantek, you missed http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html
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jasnell there are a ton of them.. especially in the vocabulary draft change
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tantek neat
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tantek jasnell - the p-actor should be p-author
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tantek looking at http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html#example-1
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tantek (frankly the whole actor/author distinction is something that doesn't belong in a v1 actvity vocabulary - it's so edge case - or rather, author being the creator of the post is the 99% case)
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elf-pavlik back on https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/51
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tantek also - urn: ? really? in a "minimal" example?
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tantek I'm sorry, this is the Social *Web* WG, not the Social Academic Paper WG.
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tantek no one uses "urn:" in social publishing on the web
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tantek we should strike any use of "urn:" from any/all examples in the spec
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elf-pavlik jasnell, in my PR i automated comparing JSON-LD and Turtle, it shouldn't take that much to add RDFa and Microdata https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/pull/32
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tantek it is misleading at best (to people new to the subject)
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tantek and makes the draft (and the WG) look out of touch at worst
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tantek jasnell, replace all href="urn:example:person:martin" with href="http://martin.example.org/"
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jasnell I'm not going to have a debate over the use of urn: right now. Let's please focus on the more important aspects of the update.
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elf-pavlik i could also try again converting mf json to jsonld, which would allow us to automated comparing all versions, https://github.com/elf-pavlik/mf2jsonld
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tantek if it's not worth debating to you then please fix it and postpone the debate til later
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elf-pavlik tantek, PR?
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tantek pull request?
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elf-pavlik yes :) https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/pulls
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jasnell for the microformats examples, I need input on the proper class names for each of the examples or a pull request that helps fix them
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tantek ok - I can see what I can do but unlikely to be ready before the telcon
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elf-pavlik tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 126 karma
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tantek jasnell - where is the git source for http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html ?
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tantek it's not here https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html (404)
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jasnell https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/tree/extended-vocabulary
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jasnell just checkout the repo and checkout the "extended-vocabulary" branch
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tantek oh that's a branch not a path
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tantek I think I found the file: https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/blob/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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elf-pavlik thinks http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#uri-opacity ;)
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tantek any other files to review / submit pathces on?
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tantek s/pathces/patches
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elf-pavlik Zakim, code?
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Zakim sorry, elf-pavlik, I don't know what conference this is
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elf-pavlik Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim ok, elf-pavlik; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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elf-pavlik Zakim, code?
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Zakim the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
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Arnaud elf, you're too early
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Arnaud the teleconf is in 7 minutes!
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tantek regrets for the first 5-10 min. see you soon, going offline for a bit.
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elf-pavlik Arnaud, waiting and not connecting yet!
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Arnaud ok, fyi, the code doesn't change
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ShaneHudson For the first time in ages, I'm not based out of a cafe for the telecon. So I can scribe if one hasn't been chosen already
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jasnell there are two... activitystreams2.html and activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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tantek and I am in a cafe so I'm moving somewhere with a better network.
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elf-pavlik i know also with softphone i can use SOCL(7625)
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Arnaud shane, I will happily accept your offer!
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elf-pavlik ShaneHudson++
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Loqi ShaneHudson has 13 karma
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Zakim T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has now started
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ShaneHudson Arnaud: I've not done it before though, so not sure of the commands etc
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Arnaud trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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RRSAgent logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-social-irc
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trackbot RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 25 November 2014
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Arnaud Zakim, this is SOCL
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Zakim ok, Arnaud; that matches T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM
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jasnell zakim?
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jasnell sorry... how do I check to see if I'm on zakim again?
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Zakim +??P2
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Arnaud zakim, who's on the phone?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, ??P2
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elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, ??P2
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Zakim +??P4
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Zakim +Arnaud
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rhiaro Zakim, ??P2 is me
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Zakim +rhiaro; got it
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rhiaro Zakim, mute me please
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Zakim rhiaro should now be muted
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cwebber2 dialing in
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Zakim +??P7
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elf-pavlik Zakim, ??P7 is me
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Zakim +elf-pavlik; got it
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cwebber2 I'm having trouble connecting
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cwebber2 trying again
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ShaneHudson So am I
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Arnaud Zakim, who's on the call?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, rhiaro (muted), ??P4, Arnaud, elf-pavlik
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cwebber2 I can connect but I get no prompt
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rhiaro hmm, sounds like everyone is underwater and far away
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rhiaro and incomprehensible. I thought having a wired connection would fix this
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Zakim -rhiaro
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ShaneHudson Same thing here, no one is saying "you have connected to.."
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elf-pavlik sounds ok to me
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Arnaud zakim, ??P4 is tantek
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Zakim +tantek; got it
caseorganic joined the channel
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Zakim + +1.514.554.aaaa
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cwebber2 I think SIP is screwed up
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik was not muted, elf-pavlik
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evanpro Zakim, aaaa is me
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Zakim +evanpro; got it
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Zakim +??P2
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Zakim + +972.3.645.aabb
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cwebber2 is anyone else in on SIP succesfully?
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Zakim - +972.3.645.aabb
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jessica_lily I'm on sip
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Zakim +??P9
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elf-pavlik cwebber2, me
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cwebber2 hm :\
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jessica_lily Zakim, +??P2 is me
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Zakim sorry, jessica_lily, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
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elf-pavlik jessica_lily, no +
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jessica_lily oh
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Zakim +??P5
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jessica_lily Zakim, ??P2 is me
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Zakim +jessica_lily; got it
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Zakim -??P9
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Zakim -??P5
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jessica_lily every week >.<
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jessica_lily Zakim, mute me
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Zakim jessica_lily should now be muted
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cwebber2 I can dial in to other services
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Zakim +Sandro
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Zakim +[IPcaller]
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Zakim + +1.314.705.aacc
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wilkie Zakim, IPcaller is me
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Zakim +wilkie; got it
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Arnaud zakim, who's on the phone?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, tantek, Arnaud, elf-pavlik, evanpro, jessica_lily (muted), Sandro, wilkie, +1.314.705.aacc
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Zakim +??P5
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rhiaro my phone is timing out when I try to call in :/
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Zakim +Lloyd_Fassett_
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elf-pavlik Zakim, who's making noise?
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Zakim elf-pavlik, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: jasnell (18%), Arnaud (34%), elf-pavlik (9%)
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AdamB Zakim, aacc is AdamB
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Zakim +AdamB; got it
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Zakim + +33.6.47.14.aadd
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ShaneHudson Still nothing here :(
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Zakim +dromasca
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Zakim -??P5
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Loqi *sniff*
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bblfish Zakim, bblfish is aadd
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Zakim sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'bblfish'
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Arnaud zakim, who's on the phone?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, tantek, Arnaud, elf-pavlik, evanpro, jessica_lily (muted), Sandro, wilkie, AdamB, Lloyd_Fassett_, +33.6.47.14.aadd, dromasca
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elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should now be muted
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harry Zakim, apologies, finishing up another meeting
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Zakim I don't understand 'apologies, finishing up another meeting', harry
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harry Zakim, what's the code?
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Zakim the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), harry
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Loqi harry: tantek left you a message on 11/21 at 12:08pm: I hear you're doing a good job of nudging WG mailing list discussions to be more on-topic and in-scope.
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bblfish Zakim, aadd is bblfish
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Zakim +bblfish; got it
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bblfish thanks Arnaud
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elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, tantek, Arnaud, elf-pavlik (muted), evanpro, jessica_lily (muted), Sandro, wilkie, AdamB, Lloyd_Fassett_, bblfish, dromasca
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ShaneHudson zakim@voip.w3.org doesn't seem to be responding
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Zakim +[IPcaller]
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harry Zakim, IPcaller is hhalpin
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Zakim +hhalpin; got it
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harry do we have a scribe?
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elf-pavlik ShaneHudson, it took me 2 tries
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harry chair: Arnaud
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ShaneHudson elf-pavlik: I've tried about 20 so far lol
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Arnaud ShaneHudson: are you joining?
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harry Zakim, pick a victim
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Zakim Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose hhalpin
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ShaneHudson harry: I will scribe if I can get in. Currently can't join, not sure why
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harry OK Shane, I'll scribe until you arrive
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harry scribe: harry
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Zakim +??P14
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evanpro Thanks harry
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Zakim +Ann
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elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, tantek, Arnaud, elf-pavlik (muted), evanpro, jessica_lily (muted), Sandro, wilkie, AdamB, Lloyd_Fassett_, bblfish, dromasca, hhalpin, ??P14, Ann
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harry Shane, are you dialing in using a phone?
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elf-pavlik agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-25
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harry or VoIP/Skype?
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ShaneHudson harry: No, using the telephone app. Normally works fine
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harry What precise app?
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ShaneHudson It is called Telephone
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Arnaud PROPOSED: approve minutes of 18 November 2014 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-18-minutes
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evanpro +1
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harry +1
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ShaneHudson +1
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jessica_lily +1
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Arnaud RESOLVED: approve minutes of 18 November 2014 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-18-minutes
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cwebber2 +1
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harry Arnaud: Next meeting Dec 2nd
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harry ... a word about editing minutes
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harry ... I understand its painful
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harry ... RRSAgent generates minutes
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harry ... we'd always have to go through Team Contact to get raw text
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harry ... an ability to edit minutes via HTTP PUT might work
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harry ... still experimental
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Editing_Minutes
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Zakim -??P14
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Zakim +??P16
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rhiaro Zakim, ??P16 is me
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Zakim +rhiaro; got it
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rhiaro Zakim, mute me
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Zakim rhiaro should now be muted
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dromasca ??P14 is me
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harry ... what we are doing now to generate minutes is too much hassle
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elf-pavlik Arnaud++
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Loqi Arnaud has 1 karma
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harry ... re putting HTML to wiki-page
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harry ... but we must have to a proper record
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harry ... we need to clean, as scribe can't do a perfect job
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Zakim +??P14
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harry ... in process of handing geekiness
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elf-pavlik ShaneHudson did you just connect?
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harry maybe tantek?
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dromasca Zakim, ??P14 is me
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Zakim +dromasca; got it
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harry We could ask RRSagent to generate wikipages via PanDoc?
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harry q+
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harry tantek: Wikis are pretty easy, might be easier than HTTP PUT
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harry ... that would allow anyone to fix small problems
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Zakim sees harry, AnnBassetti on the speaker queue
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Zakim + +1.773.614.aaee
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harry pandoc is pretty good!
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AnnBassetti q-
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Zakim sees harry on the speaker queue
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Arnaud ack harry
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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cwebber2 last one is me
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ShaneHud_ Right I'm in. Had a VPN issue. Had to reconnect IRC too
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cwebber2 hm
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harry Arnaud: But cutting and pasting
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ShaneHud_ Zakim, who is on the call?
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Zakim On the phone I see jasnell, tantek, Arnaud, elf-pavlik (muted), evanpro, jessica_lily (muted), Sandro, wilkie, AdamB, Lloyd_Fassett_, bblfish, dromasca, hhalpin, Ann, rhiaro
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Zakim ... (muted), dromasca.a, +1.773.614.aaee
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harry ... the wikipage is too painful
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Zakim -dromasca.a
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elf-pavlik where do we find code for rssagent?
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Zakim +??P14
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ShaneHud_ Zakim, ??P14 is me
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Zakim +ShaneHud_; got it
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harry How about using RRSAgent to produce native wiki-pages?
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harry Arnaud: Systeam is busy, couldn't hurt
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harry ShaneHud_ do you want to take over scribing?
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elf-pavlik s/rssagent/rrsagent/
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harry topic: Actions
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Arnaud http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/open
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ShaneHud_ harry: Yeah sure, do I just do scribe: shane?
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evanpro q+
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Zakim sees evanpro on the speaker queue
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harry yep, let me make you scribe
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harry scribe: ShaneHud_
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Arnaud ack evanpro
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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jasnell q+
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Zakim sees jasnell on the speaker queue
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harry scribenick: ShaneHud_
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harry enjoy!
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AnnBassetti Pandoc: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
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harry just use "name: blah blah"
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harry "... : blah blah" to continue
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harry make sense Shane?
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harry EvanPro: Done with mine
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harry tantek: I'm done with mine
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Arnaud ack jasnell
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Actions 4 and 13 can be closed
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elf-pavlik evanpro, can you add link to http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/13 ?
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ShaneHud_ (Correct me if I get names wrong)
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harry great, thanks ShaneHud_!
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jasnell https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Expanded_Vocabulary
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Zakim -rhiaro
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Can close once people have reviewed the draft, plan to review next week
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evanpro elf-pavlik, you mean add a link to the Twitter API page?
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Arnaud http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/raised
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elf-pavlik yes, so everyone can just follow nose...
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Zakim +??P16
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rhiaro Zakim, ??P16 is me
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Zakim +rhiaro; got it
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rhiaro Zakim, mute me
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Zakim rhiaro should now be muted
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jasnell People can check out the extended vocabulary changes by cloning the repo from github and checking out the "extended-vocabulary" branch.
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should no longer be muted
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Issue 11 should not be currently raised, what needs to happen?
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elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should now be muted
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evanpro q+
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Zakim sees evanpro on the speaker queue
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harry Yes, can probably do that
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Arnaud ack evanpro
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harry q+
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Zakim sees harry on the speaker queue
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elf-pavlik +1 open
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Arnaud ack harry
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Since we are working on the namespace, issue 11 should be opened
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Zakim -rhiaro
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ShaneHud_ harry: Assign to me
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elf-pavlik q+ :re serving JSON-LD @context
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Zakim sees elf-pavlik on the speaker queue
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should no longer be muted
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Zakim +??P16
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rhiaro Zakim, ??P16 is me
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Zakim +rhiaro; got it
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rhiaro Zakim, mute me
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Zakim rhiaro should now be muted
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harry No problem, just had issue re Content Negotiation
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harry and serving the right headers etc last time I did this dance
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elf-pavlik q-
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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harry so feel free to assign this issue to me and we'll see if we can make it happen.
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Zakim -rhiaro
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: The right thing to do may be to close issue 11 and create an action for harry to follow up
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elf-pavlik sounds good!
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tantek checks the log
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rhiaro gives up
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tantek decided to try sitting on the beach instead of finding a hardline.
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wilkie rhiaro: :(
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tantek rhiaro don't give up! :)
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rhiaro after a few minutes the audio descends into clicks. I don't know if it's eduroam or my laptop, I've tried three different SIP clients now
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AnnBassetti Sandro advises that Harry does not need SysTeam to do that; rather, find someone who has done it before .. such as <who was it, Sandro?>
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, i can give you access to skype account with some credits you could use (firend donated it to me)
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harry ACTION: hhalpin to set up JSON-LD context for namespace
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trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
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trackbot Created ACTION-14 - Set up json-ld context for namespace [on Harry Halpin - due 2014-12-02].
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harry s/<who was it>/Greg Kellogg
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AnnBassetti oh dang, rhiaro!
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harry Of course, I might add this whole dance with conneg and serving media types explains why no actual web developers do this sort of thing.
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harry Which means, in general, making it normative is usually a bad idea IMHO
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evanpro I can't do the 4th and 5th
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rhiaro usually my phone works fine, but today it's timing out before it even gets through to zakim
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harry but for consistency's sake it should be done
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AnnBassetti s/, Sandro?//
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harry topic: Dates for f2f
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elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should now be muted
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bblfish where is this meeting taking place?
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evanpro Thanks, sorry about that
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AnnBassetti /me no worries, Evan .. .life takes precedence
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cwebber2 4th and 5h of... march was it?
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tantek hopes the background sound of waves is not too bad ;)
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AnnBassetti where are you, tantek?
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elf-pavlik q+ re: Europe early May!
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Zakim sees elf-pavlik on the speaker queue
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tantek AnnBassetti Santa Monica Beach
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: MIT will welcome us. March 10/11/12 may work?
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rhiaro tantek: sounds delightful!
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evanpro Yes, great for me
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tantek rhiaro I should post a photo. first time I've done a telcon from the beach.
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AnnBassetti fun! gonna lift some weights / play volleyball?
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik should no longer be muted
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evanpro It's SxSW that week
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cwebber2 works for me, the next week though
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cwebber2 is even better
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ShaneHud_ The downsides of not working for a large company is not being able to simply fly to MIT haha
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cwebber2 week of march 15 is even better because it's the week before libreplanet
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cwebber2 then I don't have to head to boston twice :)
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wilkie that would be good for me
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Adding second week of March to Doodle poll
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AnnBassetti guess what, Shane .. even those of us who work for big company may not be able to :-(
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Add week after that?
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elf-pavlik q-
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harry How many Europeans would come to a f2f in MIT?
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rhiaro I would!
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evanpro https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Foursquare_API
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: evanpro will give us an update on Foursquare
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Zakim - +1.773.614.aaee
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AnnBassetti s/me no worries, Evan .. .life takes precedence//
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tantek who just joined?
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Not taking good or bad lessons, just trying to understand the APIs
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Foursquare lets users develop relationships with places as well as people
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Uses OAuth2, partially based on Twitter's mechanism
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jessica_lily harry: nope, costs too much to fly from UK to boston. I would if it was around the same time as another event (e.g. libreplanet)
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Concept of user and person, as well as venue and place. Business, restuarants. Outdoors areas, neighbourhoods, airport gates
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cwebber2 jessica_lily and I will probably be in boston for libreplanet, which is the 21-22 of march
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cwebber2 so if it was the previous week
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cwebber2 we could be in for both
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Users can create tips and lists of places
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Lists managed by individual users
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Mechanisms for special deals at venues
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Link events to venues, play at theatre
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cwebber2 it might be a lot harder us to attend then if the week of the 9th, but week of the 16th is much easier
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Events have specific time and place
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: About 105 endpoints, broad API
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tantek seems like a common problem - so many endpoints (Twitter, Foursquare)
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: A lot of the same endpoints for different types. Content managed by create/read tips/checkins/lists
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rhiaro Zakim, IPCaller is me
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Zakim +rhiaro; got it
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Geographical vocab is created by users
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rhiaro Zakim, mute me
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rhiaro sorry!
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sandro tantek, I wonder if they view it as a problem
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tantek /me welcome back rhiaro
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Lots of endpoints for managing places
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Zakim +tiborKatelbach
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Each user has a number of feed endpoints for each type of content
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tantek sandro - as a *developer* - more endpoints = more complexity
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tantek in both cases, the endpoints were likely accreted over time.
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Inbox where they can see checkins by friends and people they follow
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Social graph endpoints, partially because it is sensitive it is two way - requires approval between users. Contrast with Twitter's 1 way social graph
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tantek still - perhaps there's an API design anti-pattern here we can learn from
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tantek and learn to avoid
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Users can create responses to types of content, comments and likes on most types
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Little bit of resharing but not very common
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tantek you can also follow humans that have over 1000 "friends"
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sandro tantek, I agree it seems that way upfront, but it MIGHT be that funneling that complexity through fewer endpoints doesn't really simplify but just moves it around. (I'm exploring this idea -- I don't really believe it.)
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Some non-human things, such as following lists or multi venue brand pages like Starbucks or McDonalds
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tantek or rather, Foursquare turns people into "brands" when they get 1000+ friends
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Some search endpoints for users and content
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Content reporting endpoints
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tantek e.g. Scoble
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aaronpk but Scoble *is* a brand :P
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Some endpoints for managing, reading and updating user profile
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Brand management endpoints
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Owner of venue can claim and manage venue information. Hours, contact, specials, events etc
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AdamB there are a lot of diff use cases those end points are suporting
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Not quite finished looking at that
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Page is up on wiki and I would welcome any edits https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Foursquare_API
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cwebber2 I doubt we're going to need so many endpoints, since thsi looks like almost all of this probably would work with posting activities
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Any questions?
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cwebber2 but this is interesting for at least what vocabulary we need
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Did you notice any patterns? So many duplicated endpoints for different content types
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rhiaro enjoying distant beach sounds
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tantek rhiaro :)
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Really good question, both Twitter and Foursquare API have hundreds of endpoints, some redundant. Suggestions, deprecation etc through APIs
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Version management in API
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sandro q+
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elf-pavlik we could also look at version management of verious APIs
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Design principle appears to be 85 endpoints makes it easy to just add another
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Instead of restructure entire mechansim
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AdamB have to keep backwards compatibility if you make changes
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AdamB so easier to add new ones
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ShaneHud_ sandro: Continuing on, when I see these endpoints I see them as being very simple operations on a data. Each being like 3 lines of code.
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tantek rhiaro 🌊 🏄 🐦
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ShaneHud_ sandro: As I try to picture the database, I want to know what the fields are on each of the entities. Maybe not in scope of particular investigation.
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ShaneHud_ sandro: Bits of the data models are bubbling up as endpoints, so to speak
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rhiaro tantek: I see three rectangles
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ShaneHud_ sandro: Are they documented anywhere?
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elf-pavlik sandro, i want to propose it for IG Vocabulary TF
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ShaneHud_ sandro: Text, venue, date, list of feedback etc
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ShaneHud_ Sorry, missed that bit
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evanpro ACTION evanpro link to entity description in Foursquare API
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AdamB none of these systems have simple DBs at all
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ShaneHud_ sandro: Are there any that aren't actually database operations?
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Yes, most are CRUD
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Relationship, reading, updating object in system
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Arnaud to give yourself an action I think you need to use your userid rather than your irc nickname
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Foursquare is not a general purpose API, it is for a very specific geographically oriented social networks. No groups or videos
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tantek q?
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evanpro Arnaud: thanks,s orry
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AnnBassetti to rhiaro: tantek is surfing on waves .. can't quite figure out last icon
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sandro Hmmm, venues/trending is likely more sophisticated than CRUD
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ShaneHud_ bblfish: If you look at these and remove the CRUD things you may be able to reduce by a factor of 6 by a HTTP verb instead of endpoint for each object
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tantek q+ to note Foursquare API does cover "notes" (e.g. attached to a checkin, but used to allow self-standing as "shouts"), "photos" (also attached to a checkin), thus is approaching "generic" API
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ShaneHud_ bblfish: POST on every endpoint, could be using DELETE etc.
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Zakim tantek, you wanted to note Foursquare API does cover "notes" (e.g. attached to a checkin, but used to allow self-standing as "shouts"), "photos" (also attached to a checkin), thus
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Zakim ... is approaching "generic" API
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ShaneHud_ bblfish: Better caching
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AnnBassetti (bblfish = Henry Story)
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ShaneHud_ tantek: In watching the evolution of foursquare, the trend is the evolve to be generic.
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Every photo posting service evolves to videos
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Foursquare might add videos
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Zakim +Doug_Schepers
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Pretty clear they are growing their API
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cwebber2 btw, this brings up an important point
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bblfish if I can summarise: there are a lot of repeating end points such as search, delete, add, search, etc.... This looks like a duplication of what HTTP verbs do. There is POST for create, DELETE for deleting a resource, PATCH for changing, PUT for replacing, and even WebDav SEARCH
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ShaneHud_ tantek: So we should assume that's their path
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cwebber2 we haven't really spoken about how to post media
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Start specialised then expand
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cwebber2 such as images/video
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik was not muted, elf-pavlik
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tantek rhiaro how about in your browser? http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-11-25/line/1416940629001
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bblfish so one could reduce the endpoints by 5 or 6 probably just by using verbs
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Facebook_API
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cwebber2 whether or not that would be a separate submission from the activity post
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Facebook API works in concept of social graph
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Provides HTTP client for explorer tool
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Requires authentication
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Nodes are entities - user, page etc.
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Some have screen names
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: 12 digit id or username
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: The nodes have edit
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: User has events and different edges
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: when you access graph api, you use id and each node has a link to the facebook url
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Reminds me of schema.org using id and url
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: id could be endpoint api, and url could be CDN etc
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: You can make requests and return a default set of fields, can define which fields you want
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Embed other resources, top 5 posts for example
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rhiaro tantek: nope :( http://rhiaro.co.uk/stash/tanteksquares.png
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: enumerations for vocab
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Loqi it'll be ok
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: I didn't do much on collections and paging yet
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sandro Oh, very interesting: backdated_time_granularity(photo): year, month, day, hour, min, none
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: HTTP verbs, GET POST and DELETE
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: GET request to API for metadata
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aaronpk flickr also supports the idea of date granularity https://www.flickr.com/services/api/misc.dates.html
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Some mismatch between documentation and metadata
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aaronpk but fewer options: "Y-m-d H:i:s", "Y-m", "Y" and "Circa"
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Lots of entities, linked to pages
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: subtypes
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Page categories have main categories and sub categories. Listed 6 groupings, some more details on IG
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: A comment or post can have like, comment, share is UI but not API response.
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: There is an actions array. Cannot make a POST to submit like
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Looks like an hypermedia attempt, but not fully implemented
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Zakim +??P4
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Graph search can let you say "My friends who live in Paris" but API doesn't provide that
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Examples on wiki such as two people being friends or liking a page
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tantek Zakim, ??P4 is me
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Zakim +tantek; got it
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Start with id of entity followed by the entity type
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Response to events allows POST event with maybe or decline or attending
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: You can get edges in multiple ways such as /feed/links or /me/events etc. (did I get that right?)
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tantek how does "interested" or "saved" show up in the Events API?
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sandro so great, thank you very much elf-pavlik
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bblfish Thanks Elf
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Thank you Elf and Evan. Out of time now
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AnnBassetti +1
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evanpro +1 thanks Arnaud
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tantek i.e. FB UI has ability to "save" an event, or indicate that you're interested. wondering how you do that with the API
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Move on to Activity Streams
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elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
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tantek jasnell: I'll try to get those pull-requests to fix the microformats examples etc. in the extended-vocab page sometime today
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Follow on from conversations about the common implementations of types and verbs
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Arnaud http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2.html
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Arnaud http://rawgit.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/extended-vocabulary/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: I have created the drafts link on github repo
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Significant expansion of object types
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Need basic level of interoperbility
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: At this point, does the group feel it is heading in the right direction?
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elf-pavlik q+ re: IG Vocabulary TF
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: I feel it is moving down a great path. One comment regarding keeping synonyms. Does the structure of vocab need us to do that?
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tantek hmm - people treat favorite & like differently sometimes - experience in IndieWebCamp and analysis of silos
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: There may have been sense in AS1.0 but do we need to keep them for 2.0
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tantek and sometimes fave & like are treated the same in by people's sites
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Posting a blog entry to my blog, the object is the entry and target is the blog
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Like and favourite are often synonyms but naunced differences
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: 500px has likes and hearts
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ShaneHud_ evanpro: Not clear whether we can collapse it
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Zakim elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss IG Vocabulary TF
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elf-pavlik Zakim, unmute me
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Zakim elf-pavlik was not muted, elf-pavlik
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tantek see http://indiewebcamp.com/like and http://indiewebcamp.com/favorite for some differences
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tantek in particular: http://indiewebcamp.com/favorite#Differences_From_Like
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AdamB we also support "Adam recommended the answer ....."
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: Coordinating with IG, like to work on mapping with alternatives
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cwebber2 likes a video, then marks it as 1/5 stars ;)
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oshepherd While on the subject, As I've discussed with tantek (and will E-Mail the list), I'm in favor of dropping the "post" activity in favor of just putting the object there
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tantek see silo examples here: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Silo_Examples
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ShaneHud_ cwebber2++
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Loqi cwebber2 has 7 karma
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AdamB well job on the examples james
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rhiaro cwebber2: then saves it to a playlist..?
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Microformat examples are currently sketchy. Loose some of the information
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cwebber2 rhiaro: :)
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tantek q+
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ShaneHud_ jasnell: Need folks to look at AS and map to Microformats
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AdamB in addition to like/favorite
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elf-pavlik Zakim, mute me
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Thank you jasnell, will commit to reviewing the MF examples
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cwebber2 the examples are super nice
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cwebber2 tantek is fading out here
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ShaneHud_ We've lost you tantek
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cwebber2 tantek got swallowed by a wave
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elf-pavlik tantek, can you type it ?
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ShaneHud_ tantek said something about MF not needing the extra info
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tantek right, in some cases, there is no "loss" per se in converting to microformats, but rather, may be areas where indiewebcamp etc. found "YAGNI" in ActivityStreams - that is, features, properties, aspects that were just unnecessary in practice when posting to the social web.
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tantek YAGNI: http://indiewebcamp.com/YAGNI
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cwebber2 great meeting!
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evanpro Thanks Arnaud!
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud : Closing call, thank you everybody for joining
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cwebber2 and yes thanks ShaneHud_ :)
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ShaneHud_ You're welcome
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tantek ShaneHudson++ for minuting!
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Loqi ShaneHudson has 14 karma
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cwebber2 ShaneHud_: ++
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elf-pavlik thanks Arnaud++ ShaneHud_++
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wilkie thanks!
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tantek thanks Arnaud!
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ShaneHud_ Thanks. Can anyone point me towards how to sort out the minutes?
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tantek Shane, pretty sure that's documented on our wiki page
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tantek if not, let's start an FAQ :)
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shepazu RRSAgent, make minutes public
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RRSAgent I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', shepazu. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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shepazu Zakim, make minutes
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Zakim I don't understand 'make minutes', shepazu
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Scribes ShaneHud_
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tantek thanks elf-pavlik !
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ShaneHud_ elf-pavlik: cheers
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RRSAgent I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-social-actions.rdf :
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Arnaud shane, here you go, look at the minutes at the url: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-social-minutes.html
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Arnaud and move that a wiki page following the template from the previous weeks
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Arnaud https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-18-minutes
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oshepherd Suggest using pandoc to convert HTML to MediaWIki
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Arnaud you should create https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-25-minutes
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tantek ShaneHud_: does https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Scribes make sense to you?
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tantek basically what Arnaud said :)
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ShaneHud_ It does, thanks. Just trying to get it converted with pandoc :)
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tantek nice cool
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tantek Agreed with harry suggestion that it would be great to get RRSAgent to output MediaWiki markup as an option
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tantek harry: how do we file a w3c dev request like that?
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harry e-mail sysreq@w3.org
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tantek or is where is the RRSAgent git repo so we can make pull requests?
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harry may not be on git, I looked and could not find
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tantek if they're too busy to do it (thought I heard Arnaud say that)
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elf-pavlik tantek, good thinking!
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tantek harry - then perhaps the larger question is - how do we get all of W3C / sysreq tools like RRSAgent onto github as open source for anyone to help improve?
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Now there's a good question
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elf-pavlik +1
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/w3c
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tantek I can't be the first person to have asked that question - seems like an obvious thing.
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elf-pavlik https://twitter.com/w3c/status/425628291274649600
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tantek elf-pavlik: no rrsagent repo found
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tantek well that's a start then
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tantek harry, how do we ask sysreq to put RRSAgent on https://github.com/w3c ? e.g. https://github.com/w3c/rrsagent ?
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Loqi @w3c :: @jcverdie #RRSAgent source code is available at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/sw/logger/
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tantek perhaps you could make that request?
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tantek elf-pavlik: created: https://www.w3.org/wiki/RRSAgent
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elf-pavlik cool! tantek++
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elf-pavlik harry, i added note that Hydra has context on w3.org (or just redirect) https://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/14
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Arnaud tantek: it's a perl script available online: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
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Arnaud from what I understand Bert Bos is currently working on it, so anyone who wants to change it should probably reach out to him to coordinate
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek <Arnaud> tantek: it's a perl script available online: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Arnaud thanks elf
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elf-pavlik :)
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ShaneHud_ I couldn't find a nice way to automatically improve the pandoc conversion. How is this? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2014-11-25-minutes
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ShaneHud_ Did it by running - pandoc -s -S -t mediawiki --toc http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-social-minutes.html -o 2014-11-25-social-minutes.wiki
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tantek rhiaro: http://instagram.com/p/v1ZzoJg9cJ/
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Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message 14 minutes ago: <Arnaud> tantek: it's a perl script available online: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
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ShaneHud_ tantek: I just posted to the list from my gmail (due to mailserver issue), will it still go through properly?
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tantek checks to see if elf-pavlik added that to the RRSAgent wiki page :)
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tantek adding...
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tantek ShaneHud_: doubtful - I think you have to be subscribed to post
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tantek you have to trick your gmail into posting as whatever address you use to subscribe to the mailing list
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tantek calling all Perl hackers - please see this request and see if you can do it! https://www.w3.org/wiki/RRSAgent#MediaWiki_output
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ShaneHud_ Oh, not sure how to trick it as if I use my normal one then it will go through my broken SMTP
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ShaneHud_ Oh well. It was just to say the minutes are online and to let me know if anything needs changing
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Arnaud shane, if you could, please send a notification to the list
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Arnaud "minutes available for review"
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Arnaud that will do it
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Arnaud thanks again!
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: My issue is sending the message. My main email is not currently usable and doesn't look like it will work with my gmail
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Arnaud ok, I'll do it, no worries
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ShaneHud_ Ok, thanks!
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tantek ShaneHudson - can you publish a blog post on your own site and simply POSSE it to email?
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tantek e.g. have your server POSSE it to email rather than you having to
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tantek per http://indiewebcamp.com/email#IndieWeb_Examples
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ShaneHud_ tantek: I would still need to go through my SMTP
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ShaneHud_ The issue is with me moving my site over to new server.. taking forever to set up as I have little time
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tantek ShaneHud_: might be easier for your server's PHP to do it than you
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Arnaud no worries, I sent the email
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ShaneHud_ Arnaud: Thanks
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ShaneHud_ tantek: Think I will try setting that up at some point :)
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tantek ShaneHud_: you and me both :)
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tantek email lists are just another form of silo
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ShaneHud_ I also need to fix mailserver and my ZNC (which is why I'm currently not on freenode)
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oshepherd lolwat?
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oshepherd Apparently Twitter don't filter tweets by blocked users from their API endpoints
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oshepherd All the clients have to reimplement this by hand. That is so broken
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oshepherd Hence only the Web UI manages to filter blocked stuff successfully :p
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tantek wow
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oshepherd WTF is the point of a block feature if it doesn't filter them out?
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tantek block only filters them out for the logged-in user who blocked them :(
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tantek (on Twitter that is)
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oshepherd Isn't that what you'd expect? Or do you mean looking at other people's mentions?
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tantek no
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tantek think of the comments use-case
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tantek blocking bad comments as it were on your posts
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tantek I've had experience with this where I block spammy @-replies on my tweets, which then removes them, ONLY FROM MY VIEW
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oshepherd Aah, yeah.
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tantek that is, if a friend looks at my tweet permalink, they still see the blocked content
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tantek that's not how any other social network works with block
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tantek everywhere else (e.g. Flickr, Facebook etc.)
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tantek if you block someone, all their comments/interactions are removed from all your posts - from EVERYONE's view
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oshepherd I think we are going to end up with that sort of disconnect in our protocol, in that a blocked person's reply might still show up as a reply in somebody else's feed because they learned about it elsewhere (e.g. because they follow the blocked person)
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tantek oshepherd: not quite, but similar
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tantek yes - you will still see replies from others' blocked people, as top level reply posts
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tantek but you won't see them as part of someone else's post that has block them
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tantek more thinking and documentation here: http://indiewebcamp.com/block
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oshepherd That depends. When I see an comment inReplyTo aPost, do I add that to the post's comment list?
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tantek who is "I" in that example?
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oshepherd When my server, I guess
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tantek then it's up to you and your block list, since presumably it's your aPost
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oshepherd No, somebody else's post
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tantek what is somebody else's post doing on your server?
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oshepherd Because its' in my feed?
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tantek ah, it's part of your reader experience on your server, got it
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tantek in that case, no, never add posts to another's post's comment list
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tantek merely retrieve the other post's comment list directly from that post
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oshepherd Though you might certainly use that to invalidate caches, I guess
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tantek if you want to you can always send a webmention on behalf of the reply post that you saw
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tantek from that reply post to the original aPost
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tantek and then leave it up to the aPost server to process it (including block handling)
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rhiaro tantek: I'd send you a photo of drizzly dark Edinburgh, but it'd be pretty underwhelming
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tantek rhiaro: never tried w3c telcon from the beach before. I'm glad this test run passed. Will have to do it again in the future. :)
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tantek were the waves too noisy at the end there?
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rhiaro Sounded fine to me
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oshepherd I wonder if, given recent events, some form of blocking support is now part of our MVP?
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tantek oshepherd: it's one of the reasons I've been working on webmention with a vouch: http://indiewebcamp.com/vouch
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tantek it may not be part of an MVP for everyone, but certainly anyone who's ever experienced abuse or spam may require it
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AnnBassetti just saw your pic from beach, tantek .. jealous!
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AnnBassetti I'm with rhiaro in dark, drizzly zone
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rhiaro Next week I'll be in London, but I can't imagine that'll be any better
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, hearing London - please check out http://ouishare.net/en/events/ouishare-summit-6
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elf-pavlik relevant to decentralized 'Freegle' we had chance to chat about shortly in Berlin
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: awwwww maaann... I'm supposed to leave on the 3rd but I have an open return so I *could* stay.....
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Loqi cute!
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rhiaro I'd miss a bunch of meetings, but maybe it's worth it..
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elf-pavlik great, bblfish may do some scala workshop as part of http://labs.ouishare.net/
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bblfish ah its' only 6 months away.
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elf-pavlik you can also find harry on a video from last ouishare labs camp ( bblfish also particpated) http://youtu.be/wwWuxEW0Yo4
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elf-pavlik following presentation from OuiShare Fest 2014 http://youtu.be/3vubqzjL3fs
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elf-pavlik and OuiShare Fest 2015 will have full track on decentralization http://2015.ouisharefest.com/
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rhiaro Why on earth is it in Stratford
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elf-pavlik http://summit.ouishare.net/london2014/ ?
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rhiaro yeah
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rhiaro stratford is pretty far out of centre that's all
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elf-pavlik no clue ... i can't go there anyways so didin't matter for me :D
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rhiaro not unreachable.. I just expected it to be in Shoreditch
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rhiaro Hmm, I don't know if I can reasonably stay an extra week in London. The first few days seem like they're mainly for people who organise the event?
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elf-pavlik i can try to find out when they do Labs event
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elf-pavlik anyways, just thought to mention it to you
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rhiaro yeah, thanks :)
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rhiaro Maybe I could stay an extra couple of days and see who is around
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elf-pavlik we also plan to write down some P2P marketplace use case (eg. ridesharing) together with http://www.daha.co.uk/ who just joined IG
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elf-pavlik you can also find him in vid from first OuiShare Labs Camp in 2013 http://youtu.be/ScToi9lntEc
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elf-pavlik as well as almost omnipresent bblfish :D http://youtu.be/SYYuEQ1TD6I
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elf-pavlik needs to go afk to fix some simple late meal...
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