#social 2015-03-22

2015-03-22 UTC
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek I try to extract vocabulary requirements from API User Stories, I started including terms from microformats *vocabulary* among proposed ones but many of them doesn't seem to have and URL which I can use as permalink e.g u-photo :( https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi Pelf made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/Collection Comparison]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=83046&oldid=82798
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, hi o/ could you please point me to documentation on how to extend microformats vocab? i understood that you did it in 'extensible activity types' demo during F2F
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Loqi Alehors made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-03-24]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=83050&oldid=83034
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rhiaro waves at cwebber2 and Tsyesika from across room
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Tsyesika waves at rhiaro
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Tsyesika rhiaro: seems owncloud are trying to solve a lot of the same problems we are
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rhiaro Yes!
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rhiaro I looked at it like a year ago when it was in early stages
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rhiaro It's come a long way
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rhiaro there's also cosyCloud, which is similar but possibly less advanced
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Tsyesika rhiaro: me and chris as going to go up to him after this talk, maybe you should come down and talk too :)
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rhiaro cool, will do :)
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rhiaro oh cool, they talk to Cozy
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rhiaro Sounds like they should probably come to the wg..
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Tsyesika yeah, it's what I was thinking
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melvster rhiaro: I've put out the next version of my chat app, would you like to test?
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rhiaro melvster: yes! but in an hour or so if that's okay
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melvster Tsyesika: some of us are working with owncloud already
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melvster in fact they helped me design my app :)
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rhiaro melvster: the demo you did with deiu the other day looked great
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melvster rhiaro: thanks, but I was a bit embrassed, as it was very much a work in progress and I wasnt expecting it to be demoed, but glad it went OK! :)
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Tsyesika melvster: we're in a talk on the federated stuff and it looks like they're doing a bunch of their own federated stuff and it could be useful to get their input in the WG
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melvster new version im much more happy with
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rhiaro Seemed pretty smooth to me
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Tsyesika a lot of the sharing, accepting, rejecting, etc. could be done with AS for example
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Tsyesika but it'd be good to have their input in building the federated and social spec with their input
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melvster Tsyesika: they have a good system and it's getting better, they are based in boston so frank does a lot of good architectural work, with some good (imho) influences, convergence takes time always but I think the direction is good
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rhiaro cwebber2++
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Loqi cwebber2 has 19 karma
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Tsyesika cwebber2++
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Loqi cwebber2 has 20 karma
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Tsyesika :)
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melvster rhiaro: nothing urgent, any time you're free, just pop a message in the help room, I check it most of the time, if im not there ill get back to you before long
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Tsyesika melvster: how come there wasn't any outreach to them to be invited experts?
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melvster now that ive got websockets on android with vibrate it's easier for me to follow
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melvster Tsyesika: you're asking the wrong person, im not a member of the WG, just following the standards work, harry did the outreach
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Tsyesika oh okay
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melvster but there's almost 100 user stories, surely that's enough different views to be getting on with?
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Tsyesika but if they're doing the same things i think they ought to be apart of the WG
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Tsyesika anyway
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melvster no one is doing the same thing
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melvster even the people that are doing the same thing are not doing the same thing
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melvster interop is really really hard
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melvster you need one full time person dedicated to it, and most dont have that luxury
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melvster because the incentives are not yet there
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melvster but I think frank of owncloud is one of the better ones, he hangs out at MIT sometimes
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melvster aaronpk: have you thought about expanding links in the chat logs, e.g. to make a .jpg into an image
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elf-pavlik cwebber2, Tsyesika: Frank (OwnCloud) should know about few other projects, including ones that deiu, sandro and bblfish work(ed) on... 2 years ago i organized online call on PersonalClouds https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Kq8YSVQBdNXjiMi-eWUoBfkkqkbYAA6-Lrd41sxy8bs
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melvster elf-pavlik: frank and deiu are buddies, both in boston
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melvster is becoming a kind of hub for decentralized storage
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elf-pavlik cool!
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melvster cozy is further away from convergence
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melvster but convergance takes time
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melvster elf-pavlik: I saw a great explanation of HR14 ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
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melvster is a great analogy
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melvster some people think that's a pipe
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melvster some think it's an image of a pipe
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melvster that's essentially the 'debate'
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melvster of course there is a correct answer here ...
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melvster it's an image, but those that think it's a pipe, that's absolutely fine
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elf-pavlik speaking of images :) https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/MediaObject
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melvster yes
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elf-pavlik i remember this from bergi's repo (which you pointed me to) https://github.com/zazukoians/trifid-ld
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elf-pavlik issue-14
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trackbot is looking up issue-14.
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trackbot issue-14 -- as:Link adds a lot of complexity, if we keep it we need to clarify consequences of using it instead of as:Object -- open
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trackbot http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/14
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elf-pavlik have you looked at this one? + examples in http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
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melvster yes
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elf-pavlik also http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/ uses heavily
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elf-pavlik rdfs:domain [
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elf-pavlik a owl:Class ;
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elf-pavlik owl:unionOf ( as:Object as:Link)
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elf-pavlik ]
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melvster ok
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elf-pavlik also http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-items
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melvster its possible to like an image
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melvster or like a video
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elf-pavlik sure, but do you like particular combination of encoding and size?
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melvster maybe
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elf-pavlik e.g. most people want to like https://www.flickr.com/photos/indpndt/14572059070/
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elf-pavlik not any of variants available from https://www.flickr.com/photos/indpndt/14572059070/sizes/l
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melvster yes well you need someone to make and maintain a flikr bridge, if you want that
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elf-pavlik i don't care about flikr
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melvster since they dont already use linked data
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melvster you have to guess
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elf-pavlik but http://mediagoblin.com/ needs to implement stuff like that
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melvster yeah but that doesnt use standards either afaik
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melvster you cant just magic it up out of nowhere
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elf-pavlik cwebber2 and Tsyesika bot participate in this group as you may have noticed ...
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melvster starting point is user profiles
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melvster it's pointless to talk about liking something if you dont know WHO is liking something
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melvster we need to do things in a specific order
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elf-pavlik looks like we will use HTTP URIs for identity
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melvster not good enough
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melvster they need to be interoperable HTTP URIs
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elf-pavlik and most likely no one will mess with /#me as you may find in minutes from F2F
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melvster disagree
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melvster that's just your opinion
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elf-pavlik http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-17/line/1426605595310
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melvster one of the reasons i didnt join this group is your strong arm tactics on this issue ...
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melvster see you later
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elf-pavlik melvster, have you noticed http://online-presence.net/opo-actions/spec/
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elf-pavlik i need to start using http://online-presence.net/opo-actions/spec/#workingOn
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melvster oh it's back online, great
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melvster im working on presence right now
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elf-pavlik also http://sioc-project.org/ back online :)
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melvster opo is a bit complex for my liking
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melvster but i think ill use it
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melvster btw friending works now
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melvster https://linkeddata.github.io/profile-editor/#/friends/view?webid=http:%2F%2Fbblfish.net%2Fpeople%2Fhenry%2Fcard%23me
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melvster people were asking how to add friends in LDP
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melvster so you dont have to do it by hand
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melvster tho technically it's not quite a friend
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melvster it's a knows relationship
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melvster alice knows bob
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melvster bob knows allice
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melvster they may not actually be friends
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melvster but systems can assume that until they learn otherwise
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melvster imho
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melvster that's what im going to do anyway
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elf-pavlik melvster, possibly relevant https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2015Mar/0007.html
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elf-pavlik in practice i can issue something like FriendshipCredential for everyone who I 'accept' as friend, besides linking back from my friends list
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ben_thatmustbeme seems like people definitely have a better understanding of where others are at following f2f
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