#social 2015-04-11

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elf-pavlik !tell tantek I just posted next telecon agenda to the mailing list https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2015Apr/0032.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, do you know something about https://twitter.com/Microposts2015 ?
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elf-pavlik http://www.scc.lancs.ac.uk/microposts2015/motivation.html
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: yeah, I'm presenting someone else's poster there
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elf-pavlik i also just tweeted at @milstan inviting him to F2F in Paris https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/586909270937096192
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Loqi @elfpavlik :: @milstan would you like to join @SocialWebWG F2F meeting in Paris May 4&5th? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-04 #AS2 has ≈ to http://online-presence.net/ontology.php
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elf-pavlik rhiaro for your life kanban you may also find this issue interesting https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/93
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rhiaro I just use tags for todo/doing/done
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rhiaro I was thinking about making them Collections, but haven't found any real reason to yet
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elf-pavlik what do you think about Read, Reading, ReadLater or Watch, Watching, WatchLater etc. ?
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elf-pavlik i don't say we need to model them as classes but just to have such capacity
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elf-pavlik this one may become my favorite http://online-presence.net/opo-actions/spec/#WorkingOnProject :D
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rhiaro "to have such capacity" just sounds like make sure we can have extensions?
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elf-pavlik more that Activity modeling can handle past, present and future
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elf-pavlik without getting into hundreds of possible types of activities
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rhiaro I like WorkingOnProject, but for me that's tings with a Doing tag
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elf-pavlik http://schema.org/ActionStatusType
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rhiaro maybe past present and future are types of collections?
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rhiaro actionstatustype sounds like getting into the realm of collaboration/task management
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elf-pavlik Enumeration members ActiveActionStatus CompletedActionStatus FailedActionStatus PotentialActionStatus
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rhiaro which I think *is* social, but iirc was generally deemed out of scope from the user stories
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elf-pavlik IMO Action/Activity should define its own status without depending on membership in some collection/container
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elf-pavlik in a way http://schema.org/actionStatus sounds bit like rdfs:subPropertyOf ??:tag (not sure how you use tags)
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elf-pavlik but with rdfs:domain Action/Activity and rdfs:range http://schema.org/ActionStatusType
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elf-pavlik rhiaro while working with microformats voab, did you notice anything focusing on verbs ?
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: no, no verbs in microformats
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rhiaro http://vocab.amy.so/microformats2.owl
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rhiaro this weekend I'm generating an AS2.0 feed from my posts, experimenting with and without explicit post types
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rhiaro (spent all morning rewriting everything to remove explicit post types so far..)
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elf-pavlik which types did you use?
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rhiaro I had sioc:BlogPost sioc:Microblogpost as2:Like as2:Share and as2:Save
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rhiaro Now they're gone, and I'm deciding how to display them from presence of properties like title, like-of, share-of, bookmark-of etc
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rhiaro (will blog about this later)
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rhiaro I can get the as2 types back for publishing to an as2 feed from the properties
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elf-pavlik did you use as2:Share with as:object sioc:BlogPost ?
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rhiaro no, sioc:BlogPost a as2:Share ; sioc:BlogPost sioc:reply_of <some_uri>
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rhiaro I'm not generating activitystreams yet
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rhiaro just storing triples
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rhiaro but now I've switched sioc:reply_of for blog:share_of (/like_of/bookmark_of) - http://vocab.amy.so/blog
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rhiaro and removed types
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rhiaro which I *think* is better semantically
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rhiaro although I haven't decided if I should be able to like and share with one post yet
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/94
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elf-pavlik i don't get: 'sioc:BlogPost a as2:Share ;'
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rhiaro [instance of sioc:BlogPost] a as2:Share . I was treating a post as an Object with type Share. I added in the as2 much later, I probably got some things wrong
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rhiaro looking at spec an Object can have type Share, as can an Activity
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rhiaro I have no activities yet, just objects
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elf-pavlik [instance of as2:Share] as:object [instance of sioc:BlogPost]
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elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-object-term
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rhiaro when I actually output AS2.0, which I'm not trying to yet, I'm sure it will become clearer
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elf-pavlik Amy shared a blog entry
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elf-pavlik also relevant here for distinction between as:Activity and as:Object https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/88
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elf-pavlik also as:Post sounds more fitting one's own ??:Posting and as:Share when sharing someone else's ??:Posting
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rhiaro Amy shared a blog entry is verby
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rhiaro amy created a post with share-of relation to a blog entry
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rhiaro is what I'm currently going for
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rhiaro not sure though
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elf-pavlik if you don't want verbs IMO you simply don't need Activity Streams :D
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rhiaro i'm trying to reconcile with microformats2
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rhiaro with which you can produce a 'stream' without verbs
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elf-pavlik how do you do Drink / Eat ?
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rhiaro posts with "eat" tag http://rhiaro.co.uk/llog
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rhiaro no explicit food objects... yet
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elf-pavlik not food, the *action* of eating food
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elf-pavlik Amy ate an apple
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rhiaro the action of eating food isn't on the web, only the post about it
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elf-pavlik as:actor - Amy
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elf-pavlik as:object - an apple
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elf-pavlik @type - as:Eat
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rhiaro I don't need to model it that way for a blog/social
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rhiaro so far, anyway..
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elf-pavlik for me blog != social
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elf-pavlik but just one aspect of it
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/elf-pavlik?tab=activity
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elf-pavlik no blogging at all in that case
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rhiaro I agree
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rhiaro a comment is a post though
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elf-pavlik but we have *activities* talking about *agent*/*actor* interacting with various *Thing*/*Object*
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elf-pavlik http://schema.org/Comment
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elf-pavlik http://schema.org/CommentAction
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elf-pavlik schema:Comment rdfs:subClassOf as:Object
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rhiaro yeah
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elf-pavlik schema:CommentAction rdfs:subClassOf as:Activity
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elf-pavlik more or less
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elf-pavlik once again https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/94
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rhiaro in the github activity stream, each activity doesn't have its own URI?
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rhiaro For me, I want each activity to have a URI, and then it seems like it may as well be a post, with me as author, and some relation to another object
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elf-pavlik i hope AS2.0 focuses on Activity (interactions) and will not try to do xkcd:Standards ;) https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-04#Goals_for_the_meeting
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elf-pavlik what if you post same entry (with URI) on many different channels e.g. two mailing lists and at different times
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elf-pavlik IMO as:Post and sioc:BlogPost(ing) have different purpose and as:result in a way connects them
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elf-pavlik both can have URIs of course
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elf-pavlik and if someone just wants to have container with Postings than this person just doesn't need to use ActivityStreams or any interaction oriented vocabulary
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rhiaro I haven't thought about same post in two different places at different times
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elf-pavlik i hope we can touch this distinction and role of *Activity* Streams during next telecon and then clarify further during F2F in Paris
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rhiaro okay, so what I get now is an Activity can have (/needs?) a type, but a Post doesn't necessarily need a type
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rhiaro publishing a Post with certain properties can result in generation of an Activity of a certain type
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rhiaro (or you could just publish the activities)
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rhiaro s/publish/generate
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elf-pavlik http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/#term_Item or http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry sound like generic types of something posted online
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rhiaro yeah, when output as html, all my posts are wrapped in mf h-entry
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elf-pavlik so they have "@type": "mf:h-entry" ?
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rhiaro not in my store
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rhiaro only when rendered as html
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elf-pavlik or "@type": ["mf:h-entry", "sioc:Item"]
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elf-pavlik how do you query for them among subject with type foaf:Person, schema:Event etc. ?
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rhiaro but you could store like that if you wanted to store explicit types
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rhiaro I haven't needed to yet
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elf-pavlik I think we will test our data model once we get to querying it
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rhiaro yeah
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elf-pavlik AFAIK IndieWeb has close to no querying capacity
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rhiaro yeah
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elf-pavlik i'll do my best to add more stuff to my dataset and deploy http://linkeddatafragments.org/
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elf-pavlik in next days should have >1000 sioc:MailMessage from lists.w3.org added and for each one as:Post activity :)
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rhiaro cool
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/search?keywords=&hdr-1-name=from&hdr-1-query=perpetual-tripper%40wwelves.org&index-grp=Public_FULL&index-type=g&type-index=
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elf-pavlik sometimes later i'll try running http://git2prov.org/ on git repositories i commited to and also add it to my dataset
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, this also looks to me like a lot of activity on single published resource, and each activity (Edit/Update) has distinct URI https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg/2015-05-04&action=history
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