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elf-pavlik tsyesika, could you take a look at this PR? https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/pull/4
# elf-pavlik we have it as part of today's agenda https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-19#Current_Brainstorming_Document
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edhelas i'm the author of Movim https://movim.eu/ a social network based on HTML5 and XMPP :)
# elf-pavlik hi edhelas :)
# elf-pavlik i've come across Movim some time ago but must admit never gave it a try
# elf-pavlik edhelas, i've seen Simon Tennant from http://buddycloud.com here before, do you somehow interoperate in XMPP land?
# edhelas elf-pavlik, we've talked a couple of time, I'm going to XSF Summits
# edhelas but Buddycloud is using their own stuffs inside XMPP
# edhelas Movim just respect the standard :)
# elf-pavlik edhelas, cool! did you have chance to look at those two drafts http://w3c-social.github.io/activitypump/ & http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
# edhelas :/
# edhelas I'm currently fighting with the XSF to push Social stuffs in XMPP and I see you guys working on your own protocol
# elf-pavlik as you see, we mostly focus here on HTTP
# edhelas yeah…
# elf-pavlik can you share with us details about schemas used for data in movim?
# elf-pavlik contact lists, blog posts, etc.
# elf-pavlik i'll add it to https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues/8
# edhelas wow :D
# edhelas well for Movim I don't think that the database schema is interesting
# elf-pavlik if you want to interoperate with other systems, aligning data models can help
# edhelas we just respect the XMPP standard for the contact list http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6121.html#roster
# elf-pavlik by schemas i don't really mean SQL, but more how you describe data in your system
# edhelas and for the blog posts : Microblog http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0277.html and Pubsub http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html
# elf-pavlik if you could take a look at User Stories and compile a list of what Movim already does, what plans to do and what would possibly never do: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
# edhelas where I can put this ?
# elf-pavlik do you have W3C account?
# edhelas no
# elf-pavlik you could add it here https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories/Implementations
# elf-pavlik once you have that accont, you should have access to edit wiki
# elf-pavlik if you prefer you could also simply make issue in: https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest/issues
# edhelas mhhh ok
# edhelas I still don't really see the purpose of this
# edhelas you want to standardise the features of social networks ?
# elf-pavlik i think charter of this group can answer it: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-wg-charter.html#deliverables
# elf-pavlik Social Data Syntax sounds like common ground where HTTP and XMPP based systems can still interoperate
# elf-pavlik for Social API we work on HTTP based API
# elf-pavlik Federation Protocol effort most likely also will also focus on HTTP based approches
# edhelas too bad
# edhelas I really think that a full real-time approach has better perspectives than something like HTTP
# edhelas basically, what are doing social networks users most of the time ? refreshing pages/groups
# edhelas also I think that one of the issues of the modern social networks is to focus on the interactions more than on the users
# elf-pavlik while ago i did some working real time prototypes with HTTP based PubSub http://svn.cometd.org/trunk/bayeux/bayeux.html
# edhelas if we provide a standard way to create an account and then… try to create stuffs to interact between them
# edhelas instead we are creating API on top of API to try to synchronise data between platforms that basically don't want to talk to each others
# elf-pavlik i would really encourage you to check out ordered User Stories and give us feedback where Movim stands currently https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
# edhelas yeah I'll try to look at it
# elf-pavlik thanks!
# edhelas I always say "If you have a problem, don't create an API to solve it, create a protocol" :)
# edhelas it would be great to see some of W3C guys with the XSF :)
# elf-pavlik edhelas, movim HTML5 app uses XMPP to communicate with servers?
# edhelas elf-pavlik, see Movim as a simple XMPP client
# edhelas but with a web frontend
# edhelas kind of a "webmail" but for social feature and where SMTP/IMAP/POP is XMPP :)
# elf-pavlik do you know https://github.com/astro ? i'll meet him next weekend in Berlin
# edhelas nop
# edhelas I saw this project but never saw the guy :D
# elf-pavlik he worked together with https://github.com/dodo some years ago on buddycloud HTML5 client
# edhelas :)
# edhelas also I'm working with developers to package transport librairies to other networks through XMPP
# edhelas then if one lib is done the whole XMPP network will interact with it :)
# elf-pavlik slvrbckt, works on http://sockethub.org/ which has some basic support for HTML5 apps to communicate with XMPP, SMTP, IRC ...
# edhelas never saw this
# edhelas this is XMPP Pubsub posts extracted by Movim and converted to Atom feeds and basic HTML pages https://pod.movim.eu/?q=blog&f=edhelas@movim.eu :)
# elf-pavlik you all may like to add each other xmpp: URIs to yoru rosters ;)
# slvrbckt yeah, new code on a branch of that repo, which we're using to make a chat app with at the moment
# elf-pavlik slvrbckt, edhelas works on https://movim.eu/
# slvrbckt also handle SMTP/IMAP/POP
# slvrbckt *handles
# slvrbckt is checking it out
# edhelas I've successfully packaged and deployed a Skype transport for XMPP :)
# edhelas now I have my Skype contacts in my roster
# elf-pavlik edhelas++
# edhelas I'm working on QQ Transport
# elf-pavlik edhelas, please feel warmly invited to add this channel to your autojoin and let's see what common ground we can find :)
# edhelas yeah sure
# edhelas that's why I came here :D
# elf-pavlik do you know some background of other participants?
# elf-pavlik strong representation from http://indiewebcamp.com/ (#indiewebcamp on freenode)
# elf-pavlik including on of the people who chair this group - http://tantek.com
# elf-pavlik another person acting as chair https://e14n.com/evan works on http://pump.io/ and you may know him from StatusNet (Identi.ca) and OStatus
# slvrbckt edhelas: sounds very interesting, i think i've had a lot of similar thoughts, good to see someone working on it
# elf-pavlik also http://mediagoblin.com/ team participates very actively here
# edhelas I think that there's clearly an issue here
# edhelas and now I understand why it's so difficult for us to push social features in XMPP
# edhelas it seems that the XSF and you guys are definitly two different groups
# edhelas I can't see any XSF guys on the pictures
# elf-pavlik hi wseltzer, do you know about history of collaboration between W3C and XFS? http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/
# edhelas on the social part especially
# edhelas elf-pavlik, I've added you in my roster ;)
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# elf-pavlik edhelas, while Social Web WG focuses mostly on delivering HTTP based technologies Social IG has much broader focus http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-ig-charter.html
# edhelas ok
# elf-pavlik XMPP Foundation mentioned in http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-ig-charter.html#coordination
# edhelas yes I just saw it
# edhelas elf-pavlik, what are your tought on XMPP ?
# elf-pavlik I use it for long time and like many things about it
# elf-pavlik but i also like many things in http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ :)
# edhelas elf-pavlik, Movim is trying to make the link between XMPP and the Web :)
# elf-pavlik movim++
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# edhelas I've added a little "kick ass" feature :D
# elf-pavlik cwebber2 from http://mediagoblin.com/ please meet edhelas from https://movim.eu/
# edhelas the "universal share button"
# edhelas it's a little bookmarklet that you drag&drop in your browser
# edhelas and you can "share" any URL that you vist on Movim :)
# elf-pavlik sounds great!
# edhelas and using the https://github.com/oscarotero/Embed/ library, which use also oembed it integrate the page as a Atom link and push in on your XMPP Microblog feed
# elf-pavlik does Movim allow and account tho publish to mutliple channels (feeds/streams) ?
# edhelas and then notify, in real time, all your contacts :p
# edhelas I'm working on the pure Pubsub integration
# elf-pavlik one account with multiple channels others can subscribe to
# edhelas then you can go on a pubsub server, discover "nodes", subcribe to them, and publish atom posts on it
# edhelas all in real time
# edhelas but now I can't continue my implementation because the pubsub standard is broken
# edhelas yeah 0060 is broken, and to fix it…
# elf-pavlik edhelas, have you looked at http://svn.cometd.org/trunk/bayeux/bayeux.html ?
# elf-pavlik "Bayeux is a protocol for transporting asynchronous messages (primarily over HTTP), with low latency between a web server and web clients."
# edhelas looks like 0060
# elf-pavlik i used it in experiment for real time geolocation system
# elf-pavlik from my HTML5 client i could subscirbe to location updates others publish on their servers (pods)
# edhelas yeah but it also deeply linked with the HTTP world
# elf-pavlik in XMPP all the communication would need to go via my server, which in many (maybe most cases) makes sense but not sure if always
# edhelas not really
# edhelas well yes
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# edhelas http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html if you want to geolocalize yourself :)
# elf-pavlik since bblfish appeared, edhelas i wonder if you have seen http://xmppwebid.github.io/xmppwebid/doc/introduction.html
# edhelas tooo muccchhhh linkksss :D
# edhelas elf-pavlik, a friend just pushed this awesome XEP http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0356.html
# edhelas which allow a third party to connect to your XMPP server and ask for some resources
# edhelas like having access to your roster, adding you as a contact…
# elf-pavlik on ACL side, currenly only bblfish with few other friends proposed a clear draft https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
# elf-pavlik on of 3 API candidate drafts useses it https://github.com/linkeddata/SoLiD
# elf-pavlik the only one following REST
# edhelas still based on HTTP :D
# edhelas that's the issue
# elf-pavlik ATM ActivityPump and Micropub follow RPC which to my understanding fits more closely XMPP or SMTP
# edhelas the futur of social networking, to me, will be by using real time approach, so pure sockets
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# elf-pavlik i see ws(s) nicely complementing http(s), and for on way real time over http - http://www.w3.org/TR/eventsource/
# edhelas for the moment we mimic it by using long-polling system or short sync requests (each 5sec)
# edhelas that's what I was doing in Movim until the 0.8
# edhelas but for the 0.9 Movim is just a full real-time client
# edhelas TCP/TLS for the XMPP side, and WebSockets for the "web side"
# elf-pavlik what does the PHP server do? http://wiki.movim.eu/en:install_new
# edhelas I've totally removed the Ajax code
# edhelas elf-pavlik, everything
# edhelas no EventSource will not fit
# elf-pavlik for some requirements it does fit, where clents need real time updates from server (one way)
# edhelas yes I was talking about Movim :)
# edhelas elf-pavlik, http://wiki.movim.eu/en:install_new#general_behaviour to have the big picture
# edhelas I'll try to add a schema
# elf-pavlik what xmpp client lib do you use in html5 app?
# edhelas elf-pavlik, the XMPP client lib is not in the browser but on the server
# edhelas and it's http://wiki.movim.eu/en:dev:moxl
# elf-pavlik what API do you use for html5 app (in browser) <-> php server
# edhelas it's not an API
# edhelas no need for an API, if you want to do something on Movim, just do it through XMPP
# elf-pavlik but you said that html5 app in a browser doesn't use any xmpp libraries
# edhelas yes
# edhelas the browser just open a websocket to Movim and call Movim functions, and theses functions generate XMPP requests
# edhelas same in the other way
# elf-pavlik "call Movim functions" - doesn't that imply some RPC API ?
# edhelas kind of
# edhelas basically, the whole Movim approach is on this page http://wiki.movim.eu/en:dev:widgets
# edhelas Movim just just a simple core with a bunch of widgets
# elf-pavlik i seems focusing on PHP code and not what happens in html5 app (in web browser)
# edhelas yes because Movim is not a pure HTML5 app
# edhelas Jappix is more like that
# elf-pavlik still HTML5 app acting as client needs to communicate with PHP daemon acting as server
# edhelas Movim handle the XMPP session and show a "social" result to a browser
# elf-pavlik i would like to know what happens on the web browser side of websocket
# edhelas sure :)
# edhelas elf-pavlik, here's the core http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~movim/movim/trunk/view/head:/app/assets/js/movim_websocket.js
# elf-pavlik i assume that html5 app and android native app (both acting as clients) use the same API to communicate with PHP daemon acting as server
# edhelas the android app it's just a WebView of https://pod.movim.eu/ with a bit of Java wrap
# edhelas there's also a FirefoxOS app
# elf-pavlik do you send javascript snippets from server to execute on client? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~movim/movim/trunk/view/head:/app/assets/js/movim_websocket.js#L133
# edhelas elf-pavlik, movim_rpc is not used anymore, I'll remove the file
# elf-pavlik i assume that html5 app only connects to my movim server? no direct connections to 'foreign' servers? http://www.w3.org/TR/cors/
# edhelas it's only the HTML5 app loaded in the browser by the Movim server that can connect to his own server
# edhelas *its
# elf-pavlik IMO we could find some (maybe even full) aligment on Social Data Syntax
# elf-pavlik possibly find commonalities in Social API (web browser app / native app <-> personal server), especially with RPC approaches like two candidate drafts propose
# edhelas I think that we don't have the same approach here
# edhelas I'll take an example
# edhelas in Movim you can publish a post on a pubsub node
# elf-pavlik if we take REST approach as proposed by 3rd API candidate (SoLiD) it will also address some of fedration needs and my differ much more from how i understood Movim so far
# elf-pavlik s/my differ/may differ/
# edhelas there's a function for that if you're going on the correct page
# edhelas but
# edhelas to publish automaticaly posts on a pubsub node i'm not using Movim
# edhelas I'm using this https://github.com/edhelas/atomtopubsub
# elf-pavlik have you followed work on http://activitystrea.ms/ ?
# edhelas because the "API" to publish an item to a node is already defined here http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish
# elf-pavlik edhelas, how do you send someone a link to that entry which you just published ?
# elf-pavlik can you publish one and paste link here on irc?
# edhelas well when the entry is published you can have a URI
# elf-pavlik xmpp: ?
# edhelas xmpp:romeo@montague.lit?;node=urn%3Axmpp%3Amicroblog%3A0;item=1cb57d9c-1c46-11dd-838c-001143d5d5db
# elf-pavlik i could paste it in Movie client to see it ?
# elf-pavlik s/Movie/Movim/
# edhelas you can share it using oob http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html
# edhelas there's no such form for that yet
# edhelas but it can be done :)
# elf-pavlik :)
# edhelas elf-pavlik, http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2015-May/029837.html
# elf-pavlik edhelas, great chatting with you but i got to finish few tasks
# edhelas they also talked about REST over XMPP on some chatrooms
# elf-pavlik once again, besides feedack on User Stories (which features you already support, which plan, which will not do) also feedback on those two RPC based APIs could come helpful http://w3c-social.github.io/activitypump/ & http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub
# edhelas ok
# elf-pavlik i hope you already added #social to your IRC autojoin ;)
# edhelas you really should create a XMPP chatroom for that :p
# edhelas IRC is so 90'
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# elf-pavlik edhelas, melvster with friends in similar way may suggest HTTP chatroom :) http://webid.im/
# edhelas you're fool :D
# edhelas it's still un beta
# edhelas *in
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# elf-pavlik Zakim, what conferences?
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tantek re: "See work done by Amy, Jessica, and Aaron on brainstorming differences and compatibilities. Brainstorming Github" - not sure who added that - but I'm happy to make that a ACTION ALL: read https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/ by next week
# elf-pavlik tantek, i will not object, but if other people allocated their time to meet today i think we have a lot to discuss and better use this possibility today
# elf-pavlik do you want to cancel today's meeting?
# elf-pavlik we don't need to make resulutions but at least understend those issues and prepare even better for next week
# tantek does anyone else need resolutions today regarding "How to relate as:Profile to as:Object it describes?" or "Does as:Follow result in as:Subscribe?" https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-19#How_to_relate_as:Profile_to_as:Object_it_describes.3F
# elf-pavlik how about asking people present during the meeting if they would like to finish earlier or stay full hour to discuss proposed topics?
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# elf-pavlik meeting didn't start yet...
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# elf-pavlik :D
# elf-pavlik let's start the meeting and discuss canceling all together?
# AnnB wonders when we move to the new MIT WebEx system for telecoms?
# elf-pavlik Zakim, code?
# AnnB if tantek is too busy or caught unawares re: chairing, perhaps Harry could do it
# AnnB (noting that tantek is in CSS WG meeting)
# melvster1 cwebber2: webid is FYN, using web standards, http and rdf (turtle)
# elf-pavlik Zakim, IPcaller is me
# tantek PROPOSAL: Postpone the two explicit agenda items from this week to next week, and ACTION ALL read https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/ by next week
# elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
# elf-pavlik keep meeting
# elf-pavlik AnnB: keep only if others can connect
# elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
# AnnB Harry's going to check quickly with SysTeam
# elf-pavlik jasnell: happy to go throught the AS2 issues
# 
ben_thatmustbeme reads back on logs. Can't dial in...
# elf-pavlik one action done :)
# elf-pavlik action-43
# elf-pavlik action-49
# elf-pavlik sorry this one :)
# elf-pavlik Zakim, aaaa is cwebber2
# AnnB yes, I agree
# elf-pavlik cwebber2 correct?^
# AnnB too much to do to canc3l
# AnnB s/canc3l/cancel/
# elf-pavlik we could touch on How to relate as:Profile to as:Object it describes?
# AnnB we need to get better re: agenda
# AnnB (Jasnell looking at open issues .. )
# elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
# AnnB Harry asks jasnell if this is a good time to review the open issue
# ben_thatmustbeme AnnB the girls are here
# elf-pavlik q+ re: will update draft include as:Profile ?
# AnnB jasnell: actually, might be better to spend his time getting an updated working draft
# AnnB big congrats to ben_thatmustbeme!
# AnnB wowie zowie .. twins!
# tantek RESOLVED: Postpone the two explicit agenda items from this week to next week, and ACTION ALL read https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/ by next week
# elf-pavlik -1
# ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro yeah. I'm sure that may happen at some point
# AnnB it would be helpful, harry, if you put that into the record
# AnnB thanks
# elf-pavlik jasnell: we have as:Profile but not way to say that it is about this as:Person or as:Event
# AnnB tantek, people on the phone were happy to meet .. you just didn't hear that
# AnnB yes .. will try
# AnnB missed the early bits .. w8ill you fill that in
# AnnB scribenick: AnnB
# AnnB jasnell: we have a week or 2 to figure profile object, how it's used, before Working Draft published
# AnnB ... need some proposals
# elf-pavlik action-49
# AnnB elf-pavlik: wants people to publish AS 2.0 data on their sites
# AnnB ... rhiaro, elf, and jasnell have done so
# AnnB ... that way people can be consuming each others' feeds and see how it works
# elf-pavlik Zakim, who's on the call?
# AnnB harry: any other technical issues to discuss?
# AnnB ... notes that neither rhiaro or tsyesika are on phone (due to SIP probs)
# AnnB ... thanks for very brief meeting; will reconvene next week
# RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-social-minutes.html trackbot
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# elf-pavlik close action-49
# hhalpin tantek - do you want to chair next week?
# elf-pavlik hhalpin, what about those two actions
# elf-pavlik action-52
# elf-pavlik action-48
# hhalpin That's been done elf - see https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams-testing
# elf-pavlik can you add notes to those issues and close them?
# elf-pavlik s/issues/actions/
# hhalpin I would suggest that we do not do PENDINGREVIEW for simple tasks that don't actually need WG review
# elf-pavlik jasnell, does https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams-testing have a public deployment ?
# elf-pavlik action-63
# hhalpin Would be good to test you and amy's sites
# elf-pavlik jasnell, sandro can we chat about action-63?
# elf-pavlik how do we do working draft and editor draft JSON-LD context URIs?
# elf-pavlik maybe editor draft would use the main one http://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams and editor draft e.g. http://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams/latest
# elf-pavlik sandro, sure!
# elf-pavlik jasnell, you will not make changes in editor draft which would make examples not work with working draft context?
# elf-pavlik HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
# elf-pavlik jasnell, ^
# elf-pavlik i planed to send email of Vocabulary TF meeting not happening tomorrow
# elf-pavlik last week only 2 people besides me showed up and we didn't make any progress since then
# elf-pavlik ok
# 
jasnell https://as-test-harness.mybluemix.net/ appears to be operating just fine for me
# elf-pavlik now it went back, you may see 404 in server logs
# elf-pavlik it gives no response when i try to validate https://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper/log/
# hhalpin works for me also
# elf-pavlik now "502 Bad Gateway: Registered endpoint failed to handle the request."
# elf-pavlik harry, did you try validating one of https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Deployments#Activity_Streams_2.0 ?
# AnnB harry, and elf, I was just going to review to see if anything happened with IG in last couple weeks ... looks like not
# jasnell elf-pavlik: current editor's draft version of the context can be found here: http://asjsonld.mybluemix.net/
# elf-pavlik jasnell, but examples in editor's draft use other one, IMO one should have easy copy & paste to JSON-LD playground and it should always work
# elf-pavlik as long as you will not make changes in editor draft which will make examples invalid while using working draft context, we don't have issue
# elf-pavlik but if you need to make some breaking change in editor's draft, we should link to matching context in examples
# elf-pavlik AnnB, I wills send to IG mailing list "
# elf-pavlik Tomorrow we will not meet for Vocabulary TF telecon. Next general meeting on May 27th, I believe Ann will announce it later this week."
# hhalpin Sounds good
# jasnell elf-pavlik: while we are actively still making breaking changes to the context in editor's drafts, it should be expected for things to get out of sync. The working drafts are where we sync up. Once the WD is updated, the context URI will be updated, bringing everything back into sync. If you want to test the current editor's drafts, most JSON-LD tools allow you to manually set the context document for a given URI
# jasnell e.g. go to https://github.com/digitalbazaar/jsonld.js and search for loader
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# hhalpin great
# hhalpin see you next week tantek
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# elf-pavlik jasnell, tantek proposal on how we could use as:Profile (bit similar to h-cite) https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/112
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# elf-pavlik harry++
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# Loqi Abasset made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-05-12-minutes]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84194&oldid=84189
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