#social 2015-08-20
2015-08-20 UTC
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cwebber2 http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility great post by rhiaro :)
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elf-pavlik rhiaro++
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro++ that is a major difference in LD vs MF, MF just basically treats everything as strings and says that any knowledge or limitations on/of the value of that field are at a different level
# elf-pavlik re: Documentation and namespacing
# elf-pavlik i also see lack of constructs like http://schema.org/supersededBy
# elf-pavlik which can allow automating merging of extensions over time in more organic way
# ben_thatmustbeme elf-pavlik: we could fall in to one of amy's standard conversations, but i'll say, is merging of extensions over time in social really important?
# ben_thatmustbeme or more to the point, social is high volume data that consuming significantly older data is less priority than consuming up to the minute data (which would presumably be using any standardized version)
# elf-pavlik do you consider github as social platform ?
# elf-pavlik or couchsurfing ?
# ben_thatmustbeme couchsurfing?
# ben_thatmustbeme some people consider github a social platform, i don't really, it has aspects of it, but i wouldn't say its primary focus is as a social platform
# ben_thatmustbeme what being the point of your questioning though?
# ben_thatmustbeme also, any site that is currently used can likely update its markup across the entires site pretty easily to conform to new specs
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# elf-pavlik aaronpk, if i embed data from http://aaronparecki.com/metrics in some mashup, how my system will know to migrate data from p3k-food, p3k-drink etc. to official properties which will *superseed* them?
# elf-pavlik with http://vocab.amy.so/blog and something like http://schema.org/supersededBy one can automate system to update vocabulary and migrate data to use new URIs if properties merged together of just got superseded
# elf-pavlik so http://vocab.amy.so/blog.owl#bookmark_of could include (similar to HTTP 301) reference to eventual http://microformats.org/wiki/bookmark-of (just like http://microformats.org/wiki/in-reply-to)
# elf-pavlik API dosn't change
# elf-pavlik just vocabulary terms evolve in backwards compaibile way
# elf-pavlik eg. http://vocab.amy.so/blog.owl#bookmark_of can get replaced in non breaking way with http://microformats.org/wiki/bookmark-of and now one can mash together information published by rhiaro with that published by others who used their own bookmark-of extension
# elf-pavlik aaronpk, would you recommend me using snowflake-cook with p3k-food and snowflake-brew with p3k-drink?
# elf-pavlik while rhiaro could use amy-harvest with p3k-food and amy-brew with p3k-drink
# elf-pavlik how to merge later data which uses snowflake-brew and amy-brew once we realize that we intended exactly the same *semantics* ?
# elf-pavlik example from Evan's project where social syntax needs to support growing and harvesting food https://github.com/e14n/openfarmgame/blob/7d46292ce8653da3c00fe2dcba74f27750ad38ae/models/farmer.js#L206
# elf-pavlik potential real world (non online game) implementer https://github.com/Growstuff/growstuff
# elf-pavlik also WG charer seems clear about this extensibility: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-wg-charter.html#scope
# elf-pavlik "A transfer syntax for social data such as activities (such as status updates) should include at least the ability to describe the data using URIs in an extensible manner, time-stamping, and should include a serialization compatible with Javascript (JSON) and possibly JSON-LD. Formats based on XML or other data serializations are out-of-scope."
# elf-pavlik *describe the data using URIs in an extensible manner* IMO dosn't mean just - reference data entities using URLs
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AnnB reading Amy's post (http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility ) ... excellent!
# AnnB thanks @cwebber2 for calling that out (which I saw in the log)
# AnnB rhiaro++ what a rock star!
# AnnB I see on her post, that @kevinmarks and @cwebber2 have "mentions"
# AnnB how did you guys post those?
# AnnB aha, thanks ... I figured it must be something like that
# AnnB I'll wait with bated breath to read yours
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# AnnB (makes me wonder what "bated" actually means.... funny how we use those phrases out of habit)
# AnnB and, @elf-pavlik, I didn't understand your line of questioning from 8:08 to 9:42 today
# AnnB your explanation, @aaronpk, also helps me understand how webmentions work
# ben_thatmustbeme "bated" just means held back... shakespeare made it up
# ben_thatmustbeme or probably made it up
# AnnB haha
# AnnB that Willie
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KevinMarks bated is short for abated, isn't it?
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# AnnB hmm, @kevinmarks .. indeed, Oxford dictionary says, "Late 16th century: from the past participle of obsolete bate 'restrain', from abate."
# AnnB back to people commenting on Amy's post... how does one send a webmention?
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aaronpk some people have put a webmention form at the bottom of their posts which is a friendly introduction to this idea http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/05/11/1/
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# AnnB thanks @aaronpk
# AnnB so, this is similar to if you had each posted a comment on her blog post ... with the difference that you actually each commented on your own blogs, and she pulled them over as "mentions" (might also be known as "comments")
# AnnB did I get that correctly?
# AnnB and then I'm curious what the intrinsic benefit is for doing via individual blog posts & webmentions, versus direct comments on Amy's blog
# AnnB (I'm presuming there is some distinct benefit, since you're all hotdogs, and you chose to do it that way)
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