#social 2015-11-25
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kevinmarks tantek's storycards have a similar problem http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=tantek.com
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bengo The screenshot I posted was with tanktes cards. Try it out in your web inspector
# bengo *tantek's card
# kevinmarks oh, I was playing wiht the hovercard
# kevinmarks see, I don't like the single line thing
# kevinmarks it makes tantek's incoherent, and would mess with other people's too
# bengo I think if you remove the nowrap part, and futz so that the height of the h3 so it is an even multiple of the text height (e.g. via '3em'), it could work. Saw it recommended somewhere
# kevinmarks text height+line=height
# kevinmarks so text-overflow: ellipsis; only works with nowrap? not if it is clipped by the box otherwise?
# bengo If you replace the nowrap with a height constraint it should work
# bengo I tried briefly
# bengo In some browsers you can do like max-height: calc(3em + var(--line-height))
# bengo where var is allowed to just be whatever yous ent the line height to as magic number
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Loqi Scapadis made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-12-01]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86912&oldid=86909
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# Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-12-01]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86913&oldid=86912
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# melvster1 aaronpk: I think your approach to closing issues is heavy handed
# melvster1 I'm less inclined to volunteer my time to helping webmention become a standards quality spec
# melvster1 nevertheless I hope there's been enough feedback to enable that to happen
# melvster1 see above
# melvster1 i raised this in july
# melvster1 we could have been done by now
# melvster1 your choice
# Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-12-01]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86914&oldid=86913
# pdurbin melvster1: which issue are you talking about?
# melvster1 aaronpk: good luck, hopefully enough feedback has been given to be able to make progress
# melvster1 as I said, due to the lack of interest, I wont volunteer more time repeating the same issues
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# melvster1 i find such an approach heavy handed
# melvster1 ignoring email, closing threads, locking threads etc.
# melvster1 yeah well if there's 5 issues, and the thread gets arbitrarily closed down, that's not really much of a process ... those issues have been outstanding since mid 2015, when I raised them ... given how late we are, I dont think we should be spending time repeating stuff
# Loqi Tantekelik made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-12-01]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86917&oldid=86914
# melvster1 i certainly wont be after what I consider to be a heavy handed approach
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aaronpk This is the last time i'm going to say this. Closing the thread had nothing to do with rejecting your issues. I closed the thread because the original topic of the thread had been addressed, and the rest of the comments were completely off topic and some of them were getting rather rude. If you want to discuss the issues you raised in email you can file new issues for each so that we have a focused place
# melvster1 no
# melvster1 im not repeatign something 3 times
# melvster1 when the first 2 are ignored
# melvster1 sorry
# melvster1 if you find it hard to read emails ,tha'ts not my problem, it's your problem
# melvster1 thanks for you time, I hope the feedback is valuable to you, I just wont raise it a third time, when this spec is borderline anyway
# melvster1 id encourage you to consider what was raised already, hopefully there is a relatively easy path to get the spec to rec quality
# melvster1 were this earlier in the process Im sure we'd have time to go through things in detail
# melvster1 so while I dont see anything wrong with trying to do this
# melvster1 and have encouraged it since mid 2015, there's just time limitations
# melvster1 i hope the points made can be fixed, perhaps during the F2F in which case, there's every chance of this spec going to publication
# aaronpk here's the issue with the mailing list. I just dug up the thread you are talking about, you had 8 items, most of which Amy replied to after that. The thread then devolves into a mess of replies to replies and ended two days later. On reviewing that, I can't tell what the resolution to anything actually was.
# melvster1 well, did you reply to it, did we have a conversation about i?
# melvster1 given it was back in July over the course of a couple of month Im sure we could have isolated the issues and gone thru them
# pdurbin ah, you must be talking about https://github.com/w3c-social/webmention/issues/3
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tantek in double-checking https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-01#Attending I see there are still a few maybes
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# tantek if you are Attending https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-01#Attending can you please let me know ASAP if you have any food restrictions?
# melvster1 aaronpk: well the issues are still outstanding which is why i referenced them, and went through the actual items again, for a second time they were ignored ... for a volunteer this creates a very low motivation to do so a third time, what comes across is a heavy handed approach and one of selectively choosing what is addresssed
# melvster1 as such, not a good use of WG time, imho
# melvster1 just my 2 cents
# melvster1 ill raise some issues if we decide to use that work
# melvster1 but that at this point for me is now looking very unlikely
# melvster1 thanks for you time
# melvster1 all that said, I wish you best of luck with the document, it was something I was hoping would be made, which is why I raised it in the first place, my only concert is that those items in the critical path wont get addressed in the time we have, I'd be happy to be wrong on that!
# melvster1 s/concert/concern
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# azaroth Omnivore, happy with vegetarian, no +1
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# melvster1 side note: it's not always easy to communicate in text, so I hope what I wrote does not come across as not appreciating the work you have done, I do really like the things you've shown me on your own site, which I've taken as inspiration, and also the work you are doing on standards and elsewhere ... I'd love to see something published from it that everyone can get on board with
# melvster1 it's really not much to do, just fix source, target, and rel="webmention", and allow extensibility ... maybe it can happen at the F2F
# pdurbin melvster1: chat is better than email for stuff like this. It's a pity that there seems to be an impasse though.
# melvster1 pdurbin: maybe ...
# melvster1 pdurbin: communication is always hard
# melvster1 when you have people all over the world
# pdurbin yeah
# pdurbin melvster1: well, I hope you feel appreciated for your contributions
# melvster1 pdurbin: I dont expect appreciation, just want to do my part. Actually I know aaronpk does too, and probably is the hardest working person here. Is a pity we are unable to make solutions that compliment each other, and part of that is communication, otherwise the social web would be a different place.
# melvster1 but you never know ... keep dreaming the dream ...
# pdurbin sure. no need to give up
# melvster1 ill never give up, this is simply an excercise in prioritization when resources are limited
# melvster1 maybe activity streams will be a common way for things to start to federate
# melvster1 ie not a silo, monoculture, or centralized proprietary protocol
# melvster1 that's perhaps where we should focus out time
# melvster1 however now that there's two JSON types, it's going to be hard to choose
# melvster1 tho perhaps that gives turtle the competitive advantage being already a REC
# melvster1 part of me thinks the whole social web can thrive using turtle
# melvster1 which is the ultimate syntax for interop
# melvster1 ( imho )
# melvster1 we will see!
# tantek regarding rel value registry (saw a mention above) - this kind of thing happens all the time (random person needs to add something, and does so succesfully, quickly, without waiting for committee review etc.) https://twitter.com/newtron/status/669354482023682048
# Loqi @newtron :: Updated http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values to move preconnect from “brainstorming” to “HTML5 link type extensions”. Take that, https://t.co/9qwKDZt3df!
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csarven aaronpk If you are able to spot 5 or more topics in that issue, then create individual issues (if they are still relevant and useful) then close the issue based on those grounds. don't just close the issue and say it is getting complicated and bothering people with notifications. People can figure that out on their own - that sense of moderation is not necessary.
# csarven That's not a reason as to why aaronpk should close it without retaining the issues in atomic parts elsewhere. That's just common sense. Do we need to discuss that further? The point is simple that, if you close that issue without any sort of way of keeping the useful bits active, it will get lots.
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# csarven aaronpk I am inclined to open the issue on the ground that 1) it was acknowledged that there are relevant/useful issues which could be created in more concise form 2) the individual that acknowledges 1 and still wants to close the issue, needs to take on the workload to create new issues. Therefore, I will re-open this issue and let the conversation continue as it should.
# melvster1 tantek: re: "I'm pretty sure you're empowered to do it as well" ... I didnt realize that ... thanks for letting us know, that feels a lot better
# melvster1 no, just checked ... we dont have admin rights on that area
# melvster1 oh csarven: had the ability to reopen ... great
# melvster1 that seems a lot less heavy handed then
# melvster1 we can extract the points made and use them to raise new issues, which seems fair