#social 2015-12-08

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KevinMarks_
why are the top 2 items red links?
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cwebber2
whew! I can finally talk about it in a public setting :) https://stripe.com/blog/open-source-retreat-2016-grantees
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KevinMarks_
nice cwebber2
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tantek
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 19 karma
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eprodrom
Bravo!
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eprodrom
That came out well
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eprodrom
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 20 karma
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eprodrom
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 08 December 2015
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eprodrom
present+ eprodrom
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ben_thatmust
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
present- ben_thatmust
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eprodrom
So close
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have no idea if that works present- that is
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eprodrom
absent+
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aaronpk
present+
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rhiaro
present+ rhiaro
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wilkie
present+
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eprodrom
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 127 karma
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eprodrom
scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
bengo joined the channel
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eprodrom
I think that's the right incantation
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ben_thatmustbeme
we have usable internet now at the office, so thats a possibility :)
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eprodrom
Sometimes it's a colon and sometimes it's a comma
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ben_thatmustbeme
scribe:Ben Roberts
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bengo
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: as it is 5 minutes after the hour, lets get started
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ben_thatmustbeme
agenda is linked in the topic
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tantek
present+ tantek
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: approval of minutes
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cwebber2
sorry, dialing in now
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: two sets of minutes to approve last telcon and F2F
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: approve minutes of Nov 24 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-11-24-minutes
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eprodrom
+1
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tsyesika
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
... unless there is a minus 1 we will move on quickly
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: approve minutes of Nov 24 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-11-24-minutes
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rhiaro
read them, don't know about anyone else :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: next order of business is minutes from F2F, these are significantly longer
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: approve minutes Dec 1 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-01-minutes
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cwebber2
present+ cwebber2
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ben_thatmustbeme
was reading them as they were happening, but hasn't read the minuted copy
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: lets treat both days as a single proposal
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eprodrom
+1
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cwebber2
rhiaro++
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Loqi
rhiaro has 191 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: we have had some problems with F2F minutes before so bravo Amy
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eprodrom
rhiaro++
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Loqi
rhiaro has 192 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
... any objections?
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rhiaro
thanks to whoever bot-wrangled sufficiently to mean there were no problems with the minutes!
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ben_thatmustbeme
... barring any objections we'll mark this resolved
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme++ for the resolutions summary!
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ben_thatmustbeme
... while we are on the subject of minutes, ben_thatmustbeme has taken the time to group resolutions from previous minutes
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 128 karma
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cwebber2
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
... if it possible i would love to see this kept up to date
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme++ this is great
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ben_thatmustbeme
... moving on with admin tasks
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 129 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: github procedure
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: one of the controversies going in to F2F is how github procedure works and if we were being fair and how that was documented
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aaronpk
who just joined the call?
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ben_thatmustbeme
... at the F2F amy put together a basic set of procedures and we hammered on them
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tantek
present+ kevinmarks
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we approved these at the F2F but wanted to bring them up since not everyone was at the F2F
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we have already resolved this as the law of the land for github, but wanted to bring it up in telcon
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
... any comments or questions on this?
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ben_thatmustbeme
... no, given that, lets move on
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: ActivityStreams 2.0
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tantek
we had resolved to publish a new WD ASAP at the f2f
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: james updated the editors draft, but did not publish a new WD
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ben_thatmustbeme
... would like to move toward CR in Jan
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tantek
I don't see jasnell in IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme
... there was some editorial issues around adding eprodrom as a co-editor
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rhiaro
Looks updated
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ben_thatmustbeme
... he is not on today so i am trying to fill in in my co-editor role
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tantek
rhiaro, I think James has to just pull the trigger because we already resolved to publish
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we cleared up a lot of things at F2F, i don't think we have significant blocking issues right now
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rhiaro
Never mind
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KevinMarks_
that is updated, yes
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ben_thatmustbeme
... the idea is to go to a new editors draft in the next few days
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ben_thatmustbeme
you mean working draft?
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tantek
"RESOLUTION: publish a new WD of AS2 drafts as of / by Friday. " from https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-02-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/editors draft in the next few days/working draft in the next few days/
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: the hold up may be on my end
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eprodrom
ACTION eprodrom get w3cid to jasnell asap
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trackbot
is creating a new ACTION.
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trackbot
Created ACTION-85 - Get w3cid to jasnell asap [on Evan Prodromou - due 2015-12-15].
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: can you take an action to get this fixed?
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: anything on the queue for AS2?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: love the rapid progress
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i think everyone does
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: social web protocols
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melvster
rhiaro: FYI: SoLiD is now called Solid
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: this morning i closed a bunch of issues that were opened at the F2F as they looked like there was concensus
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ben_thatmustbeme
... if anyone feels this is inadiquate please bring it up
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KevinMarks_
can you add links?
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ben_thatmustbeme
... I added a section on relation between different documents
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ben_thatmustbeme
... i would like feedback on what people think about it
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ben_thatmustbeme
... ask for FPWD issues be posted on Github
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ben_thatmustbeme
... would like to ask if there are none to go to FPWD by next call
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: we'll put on agenda for next call to move this FPWD
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tantek
q+ to ask didn't we ask for that last week to be done by this week?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to ask didn't we ask for that last week to be done by this week?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
... assuming people will put in there issues there before next call and hopefully close them
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/issues/FPWD blocking issues/
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: reviewing the minutes from F2F we made that same request for today already
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ben_thatmustbeme
... are you asking to extend?
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: yes, they were not posted until very recently, and feel it should have a week
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek
shall we re-resolve on that then?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: thats reasonable, other editors should take note to do this as well
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: we are collecting issues on github?
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KevinMarks_
hm, do we need a profile type discovery like post type?
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: yes (gives link)
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek
PROPOSED: make any FPWD- issues on Social Protocols Comparison visible before next telecon 12/15
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: thank you
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KevinMarks_
"The subject of a profile document can be a person, persona, organisation, bot, location, … the type of the subject of the profile is not required."
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tantek
go for it
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rhiaro
Social Web Protocols
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: make any FPWD- issues on Social Web Protocols visible before next telecon 12/15
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: lets update that for the correct name
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eprodrom
+1
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: we had a similar proposal at F2F, we are updating to push it another week
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i think that makes sense since the minutes just came out
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: make any FPWD- issues on Social Web Protocols visible before next telecon 12/15
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cwebber2
late ;p
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: one last thing to add, i am going to be opening a bunch of issues i would like WG to review, its not just for me its that I don't know where to go with some of them
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ben_thatmustbeme
... if people could keep an eye on that
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i just talked to myself with my microphone off :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: webmention
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: after the f2f all the issues that we discussed i have incorporated issues in to the doc and closed others
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ben_thatmustbeme
... there are some remaining issues i want to discuss on the call and close a batch of them
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KevinMarks_
files issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
... I commented on each issue with the diff so you can see exactly what the differences are
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aaronpk
webmention issues that have been addressed: #22, #18, #17, #13, #12, #5
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ben_thatmustbeme
... they are all linked in the agenda
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ben_thatmustbeme
... i would like to propose closing all those on the call here
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i'm not quite sure what the proposal is, these have been closed?
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: they have been addressed, but not closed
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i don't want to get rules-wordy about this, but by my understanding, unless there is some objection by the people in the thread or by the requester
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we don't need to address them
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tantek
sounds good aaronpk eprodrom - let's go with explicit resolution on this one, and in the future we can be more efficient.
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: my understanding was the opposite, and i thought we all had to agree but i'm happy to close them proactively
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aaronpk
PROPOSED: close webmention issues #22, #18, #17, #13, #12, #5 as resolved either having incorporated feedback or rejected with justification
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eprodrom
+1
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: lets just do this really quickly and in the future we can be more efiicient
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: close webmention issues #22, #18, #17, #13, #12, #5 as resolved either having incorporated feedback or rejected with justification
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i'm going to mark resolved
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: in the future i will be proactive about closing them unless there are explicit objections
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tantek
right, bring objections to the wg telcon
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: as the editor its mostly up to you unless there are objections to your mechanism to close them
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: on issue #21 is in regards to the .well-known
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ben_thatmustbeme
... i feel there are good reasons for allowing and not allowing, we don't need to discuss on the call but did want to bring the attention to the group
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: do you think its a FPWD blocker?
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eprodrom
q+
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Zakim
sees eprodrom on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack eprodrom
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: it might be as it requires a change for the sender and that can be a significant change for the implementor
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: postmeta uses the well-known
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/postmeta/hostmeta/
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tantek
q+ to note that in practice host-meta has also been broken by the big sites that have asked for this, e.g. Google
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: that might be the most efficient way
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ben_thatmustbeme
... without setting up a whole new well-known endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: this looks like it adds even more work for senders
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to note that in practice host-meta has also been broken by the big sites that have asked for this, e.g. Google
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: anyway, i'll add that to the thread and you can see why i don't have an obvious path to closing this right now
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: To be clear, you don't have to close all issues to go to FPWD
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ben_thatmustbeme
... or even have them all documented, though its nice to have
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ben_thatmustbeme
... regarding this in particular, i don't think its a FPWD
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ben_thatmustbeme
... maybe in the draft list it as an open issue
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ben_thatmustbeme
... historically this type of discovery has been requested by large companies who break their own host-meta by themselves for months at a time
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ben_thatmustbeme
... as an editor you should consider that no current implmentations have yet to use this
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ben_thatmustbeme
... and also that those requesting it often break it themselves
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ben_thatmustbeme
... I don't think we can do that on the call, but i wanted to bring that up, but it may require synchronous discussion
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: i like the plan of not having it as a FPWD blocker and just making sure to note it as an open issue
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: there are a lot of ways to go from a link relation to an endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme
... that discovery process does get rather complicated as there are a lot of methods to do it
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bengo
not a FPWD blocker but IMO "one big company messed up one time" isn't a good reason to ignore the use case
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ben_thatmustbeme
... it might not be necessary to actually specify them in webmention either
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KevinMarks_
it's more like "all big companies that supported it dropped it"
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tantek
bengo - hence worth keeping as an open issue
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bengo
yep
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bengo
cool with me
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tantek
- not ignoring
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: I also wanted to call for FPWD blockers to be added by next week
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ben_thatmustbeme
... same as the Social Web Protocols document
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wilkie
you just need to realize that to do practical interop you'll need to implement 3 or 4 different methods of discovery because everybody thinks every other method is dumb
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: make any FPWD- issues on Webmention visible before next telecon 12/15
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aaronpk
wilkie++
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Loqi
wilkie has 25 karma
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eprodrom
+1
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KevinMarks_
wilkie: or makes up their own
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tantek
wilkie, or we pick the most common subset (HTTP LINK header and HTML a/link rels) and go with that
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: make any FPWD- issues on Webmention visible before next telecon 12/15
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KevinMarks_
grumbles at about.me again
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ben_thatmustbeme
and i read the host-meta description a week or so ago and forgot and wrote postmeta,.... my brain some times
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: Post Type Discovery
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: I feel like PTD is a very constrained spec, there are only a few issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
... I don't need to discuss any specific issues
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ben_thatmustbeme
.... I too would like to request anyone with FPWD blockers to make them visible by next week
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ben_thatmustbeme
... and also to request people to continue to just raise issues and look at the doc, I do appreciate those that have thus far
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: that makes sense
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: make any FPWD- issues on Post Type Discovery visible before next telecon 12/15
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eprodrom
+1
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: this does mean that we have 3 documents to review before next telcon but that may get us working more
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: and with any luck we'll have 3 documents to bring to FPWD next week, which will be a great note to end the year on
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: make any FPWD- issues on Post Type Discovery visible before next telecon 12/15
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rhiaro
bengo's use case for .well-known seems pretty solid. If this discovery mechanism is the only way bigger/media/cms-constrained orgs can even implement webmention, I think we should avoid excluding them.. otherwise we go from 'probably will not implement / will screw it up' to 'definitely will not implement' and lose out a whole bunch. Particularly as these are orgs who are likely to benefit from federation, as it is optimising for their customers and probably
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rhiaro
isn't damaging their business interests.
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ben_thatmustbeme
TOPIC: tracker actions
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: there are no raised issues right now
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we have no issues pending review either
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ben_thatmustbeme
... only pending review actions
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tantek
rhiaro I don't see the evidence for "is the only way bigger/media/cms-constrained orgs can even implement webmention" - such claims were made in the past about webfinger etc. and either have shown to not be true, or even if they do implement it that way, it's fragile and fails anyway.
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ben_thatmustbeme
... a lot of these are on you tantek from a few days ago, do you want to take a look at these?
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rhiaro
tantek: based that comment from what bengo said, he's the one with experience with these orgs
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aaronpk
it looks like a lot of those are about adding things to the f2f agenda so they are done by default now
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rhiaro
Can we close ACTION 74 and 75?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: yes I claim i did all these
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tantek
actions 76-79
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tantek
in particular
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: can you close those actions please
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tantek
close action 76
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tantek
close action-76
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trackbot
is closing action-76.
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trackbot
Closed action-76.
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tantek
close action-77
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trackbot
is closing action-77.
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trackbot
Closed action-77.
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tantek
close action-78
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trackbot
is closing action-78.
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trackbot
Closed action-78.
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: amy you had a question about 74 and 75
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tantek
close action-79
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trackbot
is closing action-79.
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trackbot
Closed action-79.
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ben_thatmustbeme
... aaronpk and rhiaro are those complete?
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tantek
has to drop off the phone. will monitor IRC.
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tantek
thanks all!
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: I added a section to the SWP document that i think completes it, so long as everyone is happy with that
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: any other questions?
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: the webmention page has been updated, so that is done as well
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aaronpk
close action-81
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trackbot
is closing action-81.
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trackbot
Closed action-81.
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i love closing issues
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KevinMarks_
did evan just hang up?
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cwebber2
it sounds like it
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cwebber2
eprodrom: ping
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eprodrom
Augh
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wilkie
i think so
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eprodrom
I was giving a really good speech too
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we are now at 45 minutes, i think we have done pretty well here.... (evan's phone dies)
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wilkie
tantek: can't pick a subset. others don't agree wrt interop.
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: alright, back in the game
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wilkie
tantek: i enjoy your boundless optimism though :)
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tantek
just noticed eprodrom dropped off. I can rejoin if needed.
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we are at 45 minutes, i'm happy to give the rest of the 13 minutes back
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ben_thatmustbeme
... however if anyone has any issues we should discuss
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ben_thatmustbeme
... in particular i'd like to ask in cwebber2 has an update on activitypump
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tantek
wilkie - in practice no one does "only" host-meta, thus picking a subset of HTTP LINK and HTML rel can work in practice.
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ben_thatmustbeme
cwebber2: this weekend was kind of crazy for me, but i plan to spend this week closing as many issues as i can, i hope i will have things to report by next call
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tantek
wilkie - happy to be disproven with documented examples of real-world host-meta *only* implementations.
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i don't know that we are at the FPWD request yet for this or micropub
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aaronpk
do we have a call on 12/22?
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KevinMarks_
progress on jf2?
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ben_thatmustbeme
it may be that we don't get much more work done on these in the next few weeks
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i believe we do have calls scheduled for 12/22 and 12/29
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ben_thatmustbeme
... we have cancelled those last year
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ben_thatmustbeme
... do we want to cancel one or both of those calls?
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ben_thatmustbeme
... specifically for tantek...
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ben_thatmustbeme
... actually i and the other chairs will talk about that
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ben_thatmustbeme
... and we will discuss next week
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue
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tantek
ok by me
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack ben_thatmustbeme
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek
mostly I want to give the opportunity for cwebber2 and aaronpk to ask for FPWD on ActivityPump and Micropub
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tantek
so for me it is up to their preference
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rhiaro
doesn't do much else with her life other than socialwg, so calls throughout holidays are fine by me :p
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tantek
to 1) call for FPWD- issues by a certain date, and then 2) ask for resolution to publish FPWD by a later date after that
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wilkie
tantek: host-meta is prioritized in my code. i'm not even sure how to get certain endpoints (dialback, salmon) on just page links or headers. i don't think I do.
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tantek
wilkie - good to know - is that in rstatus or ?
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
ben_thatmustbeme: do we want make it a workflow that scribe should move resolutions to the /resolutions page in the future?
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: yes sure, can you do that for F2F and this week
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ben_thatmustbeme
ben_thatmustbeme: sure
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eprodrom
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim
As of this point the attendees have been Arnaud, csarven, rhiaro, aaronpk, shanehudson, sandro, elf-pavlik, kevinmarks, wilkie, eprodrom, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber,
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Zakim
... tantek, hhalpin, james, tsyesika, wseltzer, akuckartz, shepazu, Rob_Sanderson, Shane_, rene, cwebber2, Benjamin_Young, bengo, ben_thatmust, KevinMarks_
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wilkie
tantek: rstatus for sure. newer code tries harder to negotiate more. should something look for rels that match xrd/jrd entries on profile pages??
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tantek
that's a great question - perhaps we can document xrd/jrd entries in use and see if equivalent rels would make sense / be desirable?
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wilkie
at any rate, i certainly see clients that do discovery as burdened to do all of the above since nobody is going to publish all means of discovery anyway
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bengo
should define webmention link relation and then make service discovery of resource links more general-purpose
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bengo
a la webfinger
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tantek
bengo - smells a bit like WS-deathstar
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KevinMarks_
rels in the head are very common
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aaronpk
so the whole parsing host-meta thing seems like it's asking senders to do a lot more work
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tantek
any time a new "general-purpose" "discovery" mechanism is brought up
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wilkie
discovery in social space isn't about handling the 65% of the time case. it is about handling 100% of cases imo. otherwise people can't communicate.
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KevinMarks_
after adding them it the mf2 parsing,I have been surprised by how many show up
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tantek
ironically, it's not necessarily a bad thing to ask senders to do more work
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aaronpk
of the two, my preference would be to have the last fallback be just send the webmention to .well-known/webmention
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wilkie
it's a very frustrating problem
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tantek
in terms of spam dynamics
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aaronpk
so not even an extra discovery step
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tantek
though any spam-fighting solution that burdens non-hostile actors 99% of the time instead tends to fail anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: if james gave you commit access to the repo you can add the w3cid to the doc yourself
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tantek
wait a minute (re: host-meta) - I am recalling that at the March f2f we specifically had a discussion about discovery mechanisms, and RESOLVED to use follow-your-nose style discovery mechanisms, not others, and I believe host-meta was even brought up at the time and rejected by the WG
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tantek
does anyone else remember that discussion?
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tantek
"RESOLVED the WG will prefer follow-your-nose architecture in the API candidates we consider "
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wilkie
prefer doesn't mean the only mechanism specs can consider clarifying
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bengo
Having a well-known scheme as last in the discovery protocol seems compatible with prefer
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tantek
wilkie, bengo - in the context of that meeting it did - as we used it to drop consideration of other methods
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bengo
Looks in the minutes like other methods involving URI templates and such
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bengo
which I'm not proposing
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tantek
prefer as in given multiple proposals, the follow your nose proposals were preferred
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tantek
not prefer as in fallback in an algorithm
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tantek
bengo - and webfinger
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tantek
which was the poster-child for host-meta
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wilkie
that's a little baffling. but nonetheless, a waste of time to fight for either way. implementers will need to implements many forms of discovery for interop.
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KevinMarks_
been there, got the t-shirt
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bengo
Well that's a bummer of a resolution. I think it is prioritizing pedantry and buzzwords over ease-of-adoption and I'm more interested in the latter
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KevinMarks_
(I wore the t-shirt to socialwg, though under another shirt)
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tantek
wilkie - fair enough - it does provide an axis for market consideration of multiple approaches
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tantek
bengo - I see it the opposite
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tantek
basing webmention discovery on *only* link rels (HTTP + HTML) has made adoption go much more quickly
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tantek
(not needing host-meta etc.)
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bengo
Alright. The use case is at least on the record on that GitHub issue. Not doing anything about it (and just insisting orgs find a way of doing link headers or HTML) is the WG prerogative.
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bengo
and not the end of the world
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KevinMarks_
(an example of why 'stack' is a bad framing)
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tantek
bengo - it's a way forward, and we may still iterate in the future based on new information
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bengo
yep
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tantek
I tried to make that clear in my github comment, feel free to additional comments if you think it woudl help.
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tantek
lol typo
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tantek
fixed
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tantek
bengo++ for documenting the realworld use-cases in that issue thread.
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Loqi
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