#social 2017-03-22

2017-03-22 UTC
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@t #100DoPP d61: The @SocialWebWG published LDN PR today: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/PR-ldn-20170321/ + two more PRs from the WG coming soon! (ttk.me t4nS3) (twitter.com/_/status/844435796182663168)
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Loqi Aaronpk made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/Micropub PR]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102100&oldid=0
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tantek good morning #social
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sandro #social waves good .... afternoon
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tantek is looking at the updated https://micropub.net/implementation-reports/clients/ thanks to sandro
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tantek aaronpk, I noticed you tested shpub yourself for the (un)deletes as urlencoded tests - would you consider running the entire test suite on shpub and updating its results accordingly, and applying that ^4 footnote to the entire column?
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tantek aaronpk, impl report request 2: could you hyperlink the vocabs and extensions listed (i.e. in column B)
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tantek column B )
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aaronpk yep
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tantek also, IIRC h-event and h-review are both optional and *informative* (non-normative) right?
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tantek (because if they were *normative* optional features, then we would want to drop them for only having 1 confirmed implementation, which I believe we were doing / did for optional AS2 features)
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aaronpk i wasn't sure what term to use there, but h-review isn't even mentioned in the spec, it's just something I did as a natural extension
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aaronpk h-entry is the only required one
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tantek how about h-event? is it normative optional or non-normative?
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aaronpk h-event is listed in "informative references" because it is referenced here https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#vocabulary
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tantek looks
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tantek aaronpk, that makes sense. However upon looking at that section, I'm surprised h-review (as you say not mentioned in the spec) is in the impl report (with only one impl, which is fine for non-normative), but h-card and h-cite are not. Did those not have any impls? Or just an oversight in the impl report?
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tantek I guess I'd expect things mentioned in the spec to show up in the impl report one way or another (i.e. if non-normative optional vocabs/extensions are mentioned in the spec, presumably that means that there was some evidence of their use in the wild to merit mentioning, thus merits mentioning in an impl report)
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aaronpk the template report asks what vocabularies the client supports https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/blob/master/implementation-reports/slater.md#vocabularies
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aaronpk none of the clients reported that they create h-card posts
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tantek got it
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tantek same with h-adr then?
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aaronpk correct
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aaronpk some of them use h-card and h-adr as values of properties of an h-entry, but that's different
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tantek if multiple impls do that, that may be worth documenting
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tantek (not required, just a suggestion)
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aaronpk yes, but it doesn't seem very relevant to the transition request
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tantek right
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tantek can be done async with that
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tantek aaronpk btw nice work on the wiki page for the PR transition
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tantek aaronpk, since we're still waiting on a fully tested impl report for shpub, and it looks like you tested it at least on a few things yourself (^4), would you be able to run the complete client test suite on shpub and submit that with that same ^4 caveat on the entire result?
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aaronpk yeah, i'm doing that now
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tantek ok cool
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tantek Assuming it passes, that should resolve the (1) Impls for "uses multipart only as a fallback" at least
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tantek Since the vocabularies beyond h-entry are all non-normative, perhaps they deserve their own heading
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aaronpk that seems reasnoable
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tantek like "Additionally Implemented Vocabularies"
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tantek since you're including them when implementers report them
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tantek that better reflects the reason why they are in the report at all
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tantek And then I think "extensions" being beyond the spec is implicit by the name
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tantek so that's ok as is
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aaronpk yeah, it's informative, not really part of the transition request, i just wanted to see it there
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tantek however anything beyond (or outside) the spec could be hyperlinked to its own definitions/spec(s)
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tantek (both the additional vocabs and the extensions)
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ben_thatmustbeme on a note of all the extensions and additional vocabularies, my client (InkStone) can do any of them through user config settings as they can configure all of that
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: that's good to know, but perhaps would be better done with actual posts rather than just config+test for the sake of testing
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tantek e.g. if you posted an h-event or h-review, my guess is that getting the (your?) server to support that may involve more work than some client user config. just a guess.
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ben_thatmustbeme it would definitely involve that
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aaronpk my server supports h-review and h-event, i could try that
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ben_thatmustbeme the mp-slug i could probably easily convert to, i use just 'slug' right now, realistically it should be mp-slug
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aaronpk alright, I just finished manually reviewing shpub!
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aaronpk and published an updated report: https://micropub.net/implementation-reports/clients/
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tantek this looks much better
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tantek hmm what happened to our /topic
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aaronpk irc server restarted
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tantek checks last week's minutes
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tantek notices rhiaro only added the fragid for one resolution :P
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aaronpk I add them when I need them
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tantek just added the rest of them that are all linked from the bottom
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tantek yup that worked
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2017-03-14-minutes#resolution05
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tantek looks like with that updated implementation report we have passed the conditions the group resolved on to take Micropub to PR with (implied 2+) implementations passing the test suite, and in particular client test suite impl reports from editor, shpub, and micropublish
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tantek and I don't know of any other problem reports
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tantek aaronpk: any new github issues filed? just checking
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tantek assuming no new github issues on Micropub - IMO it looks ready to transition PR per the groups decision.
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tantek sandro, rhiaro, evanpro any further thoughts?
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aaronpk no new issues on micropub
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aaronpk i believe we've hit the threshold we resolved at the last meeting
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aaronpk "Request Micropub -> PR when new complete test suite is reported passed by impls from editor, shpub, micropublish, and no one else reports problems"
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tantek do we have a staged PR draft with the right date and everything?
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aaronpk I guess I can probably safely stage one for tuesday, since we can't publish tomorrow
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aaronpk k it's ready
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tantek why not today?
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aaronpk publication dates are tuesdays and thursday
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tantek I had the feeling Sandro was all ready to try to take all three to PR as of yesterday
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aaronpk s
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tantek hmm
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tantek why can't we publish tomorrow then?
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aaronpk i think the cutoff is the day before
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aaronpk but the team is in europe, so it's already past the end of the day on wednesday
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tantek I'm guessing sandro may have already preflighted this?
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aaronpk i was not making that assumption
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tantek is often an optimist :P
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aaronpk also it's 4pm in boston now
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aaronpk but anyway, it's trivial for me to change the date, so just let me know
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tantek if you set it up for tomorrow, then assuming the european team is ready to run with it, they can just do it tomorrow morning when they wake up without any interaction
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aaronpk heh might as well
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tantek better to plan for not having to do something in the shorter timeframe option
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tantek because in the longer timeframe option, you have more time to make a change
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tantek generally a good philosophy about defaults
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aaronpk added a link on the PR page, so hopefully sandro will see it there
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aaronpk since he gets a 3 hour head start on me in the morning
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tantek is that this one? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Micropub_PR
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek sandro, rhiaro - can you confirm/(or not) that Micropub has satisfied the conditions for PR?
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