#social 2017-03-23

2017-03-23 UTC
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rhiaro tantek, looks fine, Sandro has sent the request
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tantek thanks rhiaro appreciate the confirmation!
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tantek I understand from various process timing aspects we are expecting next Tuesday
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strk good day my heroes and heroins !
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strk I'm reading up more about OpenID Connect this morning
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strk and I found out that "discovery" spec fully relies on Webfinger
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strk which on itself relies in having control of the domain name
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strk or am I wrong ?
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strk (as that'd be a step backward from OpenID-2.0 [now deprecated] to the new OpenID-Connect [superceeding that])
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strk and let me know if this is not the right channel to discuss this (I'm assuming Webfinger comes from here)
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aaronpk strk: OpenID connect is not being developed by this group
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strk aaronpk: yes I know, but webfinger is ?
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aaronpk I think webfinger was always a community project?
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strk I came for webfinger, to ask about how to remove (if possible) the limitations
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strk I'm new to webfinger too, just found out about 1 year ago or so... (when trying to understand the zillion protocols in Friendica)
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strk as now I also see webfinger used in OpenID, I'm guessing it won't go away any soon, so might as well research more about it
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aaronpk This group made a decision a couple years ago explicitly to use a "follow your nose" approach to specs, which is very different from webfinger which relies on hardcoded path names
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aaronpk I didn't actually realize OpenID connect uses Webfinger. I thought it just used the .well-known path for discovery
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aaronpk Here's the list of specs this group is developing: https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Specifications
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strk OpenID-Connect Discovery, in particular, is using Webfinger for the discovery
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strk from https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-discovery-1_0.html :
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strk "OpenID Connect uses WebFinger [RFC7033] to locate the OpenID Provider for an End-User."
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strk ok, I understand you're not responsible for WebFinger, thanks for the info
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csarven https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2017/03/23/proposed-group-decentralized-communications-community-group/ -- interesting description.
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ben_thatmustbeme lol, thats kind of silly. 'inter-operable without using standard protocols' uhh, that agreement method IS a protocol
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csarven I have no idea how any of that works.
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csarven https://github.com/reTHINK-project/specs/blob/master/messaging-framework/protofly.md and repo probably has the answers
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csarven Funded by H2020
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KjetilK hmmm, so, it seems to align a bit with my hypermedia ideas, but shipping a lot of code rather than descriptions seem rather hazardous to me
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tantek welcome KjetilK! What is the "it" you are referring to? Not sure what you mean by "shipping a lot of code rather than descriptions", and what hazards?
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KjetilK hi tantek! "it" wa the protofly that csarven posted
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tantek ah ok
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tantek yes that seems like a bit of an uphill proposal
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KjetilK so, I wasn't referring to any of your work :-)
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tantek I just left this comment on the proposed community group:
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tantek "Hi Paulo, some of the goals stated for this community group sound very similar to the current Social Web Working Group (https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg) and in particular the Social Web Incubator Community Group (https://www.w3.org/community/swicg/) you may want to join that instead of starting a new group as there's already a lot of folks there interested in a variety of approaches to solving decentralized communications. Also stop by the #social IRC c[CUT]
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tantek irc.w3.org and say hi."
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tantek but it is "Your comment is awaiting moderation."
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tantek here: https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2017/03/23/proposed-group-decentralized-communications-community-group/#comment-62302
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KjetilK right
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tantek I wonder how long it will take to get moderated, and by whom
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tantek I really look forward to avoiding the need for comment moderation in 99% of use-cases
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tantek comment moderation disincentivizes conversation
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KjetilK nods
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tantek KjetilK: do you have your own website?
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KjetilK tantek, yeah: http://kjetil.kjernsmo.net/
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KjetilK with relevant material :-)
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tantek reads :)
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KjetilK I'm trying to figure out a way to work in this space
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KjetilK possibly a startup, but I'm also looking at research positions
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tantek nice recent blog post!
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KjetilK thanks!
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tantek keeps reading
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tantek really agree with a lot of your problem statements
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KjetilK good :-)
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tantek gosh that reminds me that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking is badly out of date and needs a massive update (so many dead projects :( )
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tantek oh hey we should publish an update to https://www.w3.org/TR/social-web-protocols/ - thanks for the reminder
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Loqi [Amy Guy] Social Web Protocols
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KjetilK yeah, it is a horrifying graveyard... :-(
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tantek I think a lot of that has demonstrated that we needed simpler social web standards, and thus the work of this working group (which is still in the new / emerging state in many ways)
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KjetilK indeed
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tantek many early attempts were too complicated to either implement, or get right/complete, or be interoperable, or frankly, to be secure and privacy respecting!
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KjetilK I have lost track of all the various projects that are going on right now, and all the approaches
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tantek same same :)
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tantek I added an agenda item for our Tuesday telcon to discuss (and hopefully approve) an update to Social Web Protocols since we've made a bunch of progress since last November.
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KjetilK good :-)
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tantek KjetilK: there's a bunch of things you can do incrementally to contribute in this space (per your blog post)
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tantek from simple / cosmetic to coding / design
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tantek e.g. take a look at our logs: https://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2017-03-23#bottom
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tantek if you'd like, you can make your face appear next to your IRC nickname and link it to your website by adding yourself to https://www.w3.org/wiki/irc-people
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KjetilK yeah, I was hoping to find time to finish my LDN reciever, but there are so many things happening
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tantek well you're in the right place! :)
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KjetilK and we haven't got a JSON-LD implementation in Perl, so I should do that too...
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tantek cool. got to go for now. nice to meet you and keep it up with the well written blog posts!