#social 2017-04-12

2017-04-12 UTC
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geppy I'm starting on an ActivityPub client. Are there any tests or compliant servers that I can use?
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ben_thatmustbeme geppy: cwebber is working on a test suite, as for compliant servers, he would likely know as well
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geppy ben_thatmustbeme: Thank you! Should I ping him, or wait? I followed yesterday's discussion and I realize they're in the middle of working out what needs to happen for services to be compliant.
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ben_thatmustbeme since i mentioned his name here, he should see it when he comes back.
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ben_thatmustbeme as to the second half of that, the spec is in CR, candidate recomendation status, which basically is the group saying we think its good, a few things may change but hopefully not, if anything changes that causes you to change your code, we will do a revised CR, that gives people time to implement fixes before it proceeds on to the next steps
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ben_thatmustbeme there is a bunch of process involved in moving specs through their different steps. before we exit CR to move on, we are going to need a test suite and implementation reports based on that test suite, so not to worry, cwebber definitely has motivation to get it done
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geppy Thank you! I meant that more as a "I realize they're working on it, should I leave them be?" :)
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ben_thatmustbeme well, certainly any implementation feedback is welcome. Thats what the CR stage is for really
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geppy Ah, right. Thanks! :)
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aaronpk geppy: the more feedback from implementations the better
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aaronpk at the point that we reach CR, we are actively looking for implementations. between CR and REC, there are likely to be no functional changes, unless an implementation points out a gaping flaw
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geppy aaronpk: Thanks! I'm familiar with the process, I just wasn't thinking properly.
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aaronpk cool
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cwebber hi geppy, yes feel free to implement ahead, and I'll have the test suite out shortly
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cwebber geppy: super excited that you're working on a client! what kind?
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geppy cwebber: Shiny, thanks! I'm not entirely sure. I'd originally designed a Social Web app based around Web Annotations, but I didn't get around to it until now ... so I'm wondering if it might be more useful for me to just focus on AS+AP since AP'll still be in CR.
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csarven geppy Got URL to your app?
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geppy csarven: Not yet!
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ajordan hey sandro how long do Invited Expert applications generally take to go through?
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ben_thatmustbeme ajordan: its not an automated process, i believe the chairs have to approve it in a meeting first
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ajordan ben_thatmustbeme: right I know it's not automated
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ajordan but do the chairs have to have a formal meeting? or can one of them just approve it based on an email they got or whatever?
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ben_thatmustbeme that i do not know, tantek?
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ajordan got access to the wiki though, which is nice
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ben_thatmustbeme than IE status won't change much for you
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ajordan yeah
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ajordan idk what sysops did but it seemed to just magically fix itself
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tantek ajordan the chairs usually do it by meeting, sometimes by email.
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tantek btw the WG only has ~2 months left in the charter, and at this point, it's nearly all procedural with very few technical discussions, so you may find the telcons quite boring / tedious from that perspective (saying this as a chair who tries to make them not that way but acknowledging the obvious)
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tantek and if you're not interested in the telcons, there's really no reason to actually join the WG at this point
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tantek since the IRC is public, the email lists are public, the github issues are public
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tantek OTOH if you're interested in standards *process* per se, nitty gritty of that sort of thing, then it could be educational
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ajordan tantek: yeah, true
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ajordan might as well
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ajordan I'm pretty interested in the nitty gritty too so
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tantek I think in general we're going to be trying to shift (especially new) technical discussion to the SWICG
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@csarven @bradlygreen @CarbonLDP Yes. @CarbonLDP is a conforming #LinkedData Notifications https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ implementation (out of the box!) (twitter.com/_/status/852206938511245313)
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ajordan +1
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ajordan to the SWICG
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ajordan oh another quick question: am I automatically on the CG mailing list if I'm a member?
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ajordan public-swicg@w3.org?
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tantek there is no CG mailing list ?
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ajordan tantek: yes there is - if you visit https://www.w3.org/community/swicg/ and look under "Tools for this group"
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ajordan unless that mailto address does't point to a real address? :D
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sandro ajordan, weird, I think it's automatic, but I see 21 people in the group and six on the mailing list.
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro, wonder if those were the first 6 to join before we turned off mailing list for the CG
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sandro Could be. How did it get turned off?
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ben_thatmustbeme i believe it was requested
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk?
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sandro Because it IS still there, just broken.
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tantek ^^^ summary statement on mailing lists, the phenomenon in 2017
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ajordan hahahahaha
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ajordan true
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Loqi haha
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sandro Says the guy carrying the bloody ax
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sandro is still a bit salty about Tantek's approach to email
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ajordan ?
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ajordan another question: is there a reason that the AS2 extensions is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams_extensions instead of under the /Socialwg namespace on the wiki?
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ajordan thinking of creating /Socialwg/ActivityPub_extensions but wondering if there's a reason to do the same as the AS2 page
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tantek sure put it at the top level I think that's fine
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tantek the Socialwg charter is currently scheduled to end 2017-06-30, thus it makes sense to keep pages which are expected to be used/useful beyond that at the top level instead
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ajordan ah right on
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ajordan will do, thx tantek
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ajordan https://www.w3.org/wiki/ActivityPub_extensions
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ajordan cwebber: ^^^ I think you had some ideas to add to that?
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ajordan I seem to recall you writing a blog post
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tantek if you can find the blog post, we should at least cite that in a "See Also" section at the bottom
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ajordan I'm poking around but if I can't find it cwebber probably knows better what I'm talkinga bout
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ajordan s/a bout/ about/
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ajordan ah found it: http://dustycloud.org/blog/an-even-more-distributed-activitypub/
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ajordan I'll put it on the wiki
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cwebber ah
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cwebber yeah, the what to do for distributed filtering is a research area :)
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cwebber but!
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cwebber I don't know if I said it
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cwebber but this came up at libreplanet a lot
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cwebber in fact a couple of times in the Q&A at ajordan's talk, but also elsewhere
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ajordan cwebber: oh I was actually referring to a different one (^^^ above) but that'd be good to put on there too
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ajordan that being the anti-abuse one
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ajordan cwebber: added both of those to the wiki page
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cwebber oh
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cwebber right the p2p stuff
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cwebber didn't even look at the link you posted oops
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ajordan lol :P
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ajordan yep
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cwebber https://dustycloud.org/blog/possible-distributed-anti-abuse/ is the one I thought you posted
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cwebber though I guess you figured that out ;p
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ajordan yep! that one's on the wiki too
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aaronpk Odd, I thought I requested the link to the mailing list be removed from our community page, and pretty see it wasn't there
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ajordan bugzzzzzz
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