#social 2017-05-25

2017-05-25 UTC
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ajordan astronouth7303: yeah I'm not sure
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ajordan I think the best UX may be to just say, we only use URLs as IDs in the UI but in e.g. addrssing fields you can throw anything in and it will Just Work™
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ajordan s/addrssing/addressing/
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@MediaGoblin @Michcioperz MediaGoblin doesn't oppose GNU Social, and you're probably talking about ActivityPub https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867740281868873728)
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867742934195724288)
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@ryf_feed ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867742480715874304)
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aaronpk oh boy
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@distributedone ActivityPub: a standard for the federated social web https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #distributedNews (twitter.com/_/status/867746402230784000)
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@lobsters ActivityPub: a standard for the federated social web https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ https://lobste.rs/s/tvubqe #distributed #web (twitter.com/_/status/867757240329019392)
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@rhysosborne1 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard by via Hacker News https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867764315499241476)
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@silverbacklive ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #strartup #Dubai #UAE #Innovation (twitter.com/_/status/867763799046180864)
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@newsycbot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (cmts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867763797469138944)
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@ScottPValentine ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ via ycombinator (twitter.com/_/status/867763562139308033)
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@erod2009 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867763482774601729)
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@my_duwad ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #startup #Dubai #KSA (twitter.com/_/status/867763034390921217)
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@davidcamachoj ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867762876110573569)
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@neuropuff ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867762809672790019)
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@_techstories ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/?source=techstories.org (twitter.com/_/status/867762797920354304)
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@wearefirelabs ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867762744157773825)
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@joelgarciajr84 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #Developer (twitter.com/_/status/867762734879973378)
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@FrontPageHN ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (cmts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315%29 (twitter.com/_/status/867762275993735173)
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@HNTweets ActivityPub: a federated social web standard: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867762184851533824)
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@hn_frontpage ActivityPub: a federated social web standard L: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ C: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867761474986553345)
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aaronpk congrats on hitting the front page!
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@hnbreaking ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867768507911602176)
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@tek_news HNews: ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867768493613228032)
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@ingesamart ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867768043752927232)
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@hackernewsj ActivityPub：連合ソーシャルウェブ標準 https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867767079239380993)
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@kickroot This is the first time I've laid eyes on this. Is a federated social network in our future? https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867766336331624452)
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@DobieCrypt ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867766277930074112)
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@HackersPews ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867766253951139845)
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@SocialRota ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867766017149284353)
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sandro What is Loqi triggering on?
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sandro A twitter search on 'ActivityPub' ?
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aaronpk yeah
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sandro a bit scary, yeah.
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sandro as far as I know, I'm still waiting for you to draft new text for https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/106 before I query whether we can do it before restarting CR clock, right?
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Loqi [Alkarex] #106 Suggestion: Use HTTP 410 Gone
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aaronpk yep
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@newsyc20 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867769732203675648)
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@friendiecrm ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867776048028667904)
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@hacker_news_hir ActivityPub: a federated social web standard : https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867774795982577664)
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@animesh1977 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867774552687996929)
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@the_mantese description:null,https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867773933071806464)
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@HackerNewsYCBot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867783694085259267)
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@hnbot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard (Discussion on HN - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867783600900636672)
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cwebber2 both MediaGoblin and ActivityPub are on the hacker news home page right now
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cwebber2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14414712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315
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cwebber2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDErWuTRluI
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@Robofarm ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867785332317663233)
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@RossSchulman Proposed W3C standard for federated social networking. Awesome, but problem is ISPs don't think we need static IPs. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867791092183425024)
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@newsyc50 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867790114218442752)
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@TridzOnline ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867789161700503552)
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@_mangesh_tekale ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867788225317883906)
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@newsycombinator ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867787992345214977)
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astronouth7303 ouch. my condolences
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@hackernewsrobot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867793683000807425)
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@explicitbug ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #hackernews#hackernews (twitter.com/_/status/867793313553801216)
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astronouth7303 also, at least one seems to be confusing peer-to-peer (which is bloody hard on the internet) with federated (which is simply a matter of engineering and agreement)
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@chrisbolas ActivityPub: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867798105265012736)
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@entropealab Down with the corporate controlled Social Internet! https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #p2p #dataprivacy (twitter.com/_/status/867808733988093953)
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astronouth7303 it's not peer-to-.... nevermind
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cwebber2 astronouth7303: though one *could* in theory layer ActivityPub over a peer to peer protocol if you used a different uri scheme that was meant for p2p uris
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cwebber2 you'd have to have multiple nodes know how to communicate over it
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cwebber2 but I'm interested in that being explored
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cwebber2 but yeah, the AP spec, while it leaves that open, only shows https uris
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cwebber2 and for a reason, because that's what exists now ;)
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astronouth7303 it has potential, but as it stands it doesn't support intermittent syncs
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astronouth7303 in general, mesh networking is challenging, especially if you don't know if nodes will be up or down, and if you want two nodes to be able to exchange data without ever directly seeing each other
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astronouth7303 the current model is great and deployable without that kind of deep engineering work
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astronouth7303 and it fits with current paradigms of how things work
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astronouth7303 (pretty much the only thing missing is support for push channels)
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astronouth7303 but true serverless peer to peer?
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astronouth7303 that sort of meshing is HARD
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cwebber2 hard indeed
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cwebber2 as said, left open to it, but it needs to prove itself :)
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astronouth7303 eh, i suspect the current AP spec could be adapted to p2p, but it wouldn't be compatible
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astronouth7303 since you'd need peer discovery, borrow some of the store-and-forward from history, and probably invent a few other things
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astronouth7303 also, you probably don't want to store the entirety of you and your friends postings since the dawn of time on your mobile device
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astronouth7303 so a provider-less model is either going to be ephemeral or not wanted
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@LongformREDEF ActivityPub: a federated social web standard(Owen Shepherd - @w3c)https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/?curator=TechREDEF (twitter.com/_/status/867825124099198976)
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@Michael_Vasanth #ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867762751497699330)
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@jrconlin Did none of the authors realize they were recreating email? https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867828205075300352)
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tantek oh oby
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Loqi tantek: csarven left you a message 1 day, 9 hours ago: I don't have any hope from 3rd party publishers nor want to (or have energy to) take them on directly. All I care is to see a social change within the sw/ld/webscience community (for starters) so that we can "have nice things". The Linked Research initiative is primarily intended to encourage/enable researchers to take on some responsibility and consider the implications of their contributions. Some emphasis on accessibility, decentralisation,
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aaronpk lol
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astronouth7303 i mean, i supposed you could send AS2 by email
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tantek csarven: either way, by setting a better example, you're proving it can be done which alone is likely to be inspiring to others who feel similarly, and may try changing things at such 3rd parties etc.
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tantek astronouth7303: I think they mean conceptually "email" rather than literally RFC822 etc.
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astronouth7303 i, for one, am very aware of the parellels to email
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astronouth7303 but email has different delivery & storage paradigms
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tantek astronouth7303: a year (or more?) ago we had a big debate about the wording of various user scenarios because of this very problem. that "inbox" necessarily framed things to imply email like semantics, when not intended
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astronouth7303 yeah; that confused me somewhat my first read through
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ben_thatmustbeme it gets really confusing for client 2 server
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@M157q_News_RSS ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ Article URL: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/Comments URL: https://ne (twitter.com/_/status/867832763172306944)
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@newsyc100 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14417315 (twitter.com/_/status/867830631790759937)
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ben_thatmustbeme that was my issue with the naming
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astronouth7303 i think it's roughly that inbox is what other people have done, and outbox is what the agent has done
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tantek that's not confusing at all ;)
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astronouth7303 i think i commented as such when i read it, but my first read through was like 2 months ago
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@betterhn100 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867837691177652224)
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@pitchpivot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #tech #startups (twitter.com/_/status/867837036924870656)
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@GarrettSmith ActivityPub: a federated social web standard https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #tech #startups (twitter.com/_/status/867836957434327040)
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@infosecnews_bot ActivityPub: a federated social web standard - https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #infosec #CyberSecurity (twitter.com/_/status/867831665233625089)
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tantek lots of ActivityPub awareness going around!
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ben_thatmustbeme Indeed
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@vrai777 ActivityPub: a federated social web standard ☄ ⛱ ℅ ⚡#startup ⚗ #YCombinator https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/867764159433363456)
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aaronpk #startup lol
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astronouth7303 emoji!
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cwebber2 allow me to introduce you to the Startup Incubation Web Community Group
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astronouth7303 had to double check to make sure that wasn't a real thing
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tantek well played cwebber2
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@cloudlopes ActivityPub: a federated social web standard - https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ #in (twitter.com/_/status/867877953237110785)
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