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# 01:35 ajordan because we kinda use it as a homepage, but it's a *terrible* home page # 01:37 ajordan so does anyone have objections to me moving like half the content to subpages? e.g. the Meetings section is mostly only relevant to WG members, so I'd move it to /Socialwg/Meetings timbl, tantek and tantek_ joined the channel
# 02:31 jankusanagi_ XMPP rox!! =) # 02:32 jankusanagi_ cool ajordan =) # 02:32 aaronpk Keeping meetings on the home page is good because it gives a general sense of the group activity and also lets people know how they can participate # 02:37 tantek SWWG - yes I've tried incrementally doing that # 02:39 tantek ajordan I'd disagree re: "Meetings section is mostly only relevant to WG members,", having that stuff be open and discoverable is pretty key to transparent standards development # 02:39 tantek I'd hesitate to call anything really "only relevant to WG members" as that implies a default groupist framing that I don't think is helpful # 02:40 tantek or rather, it's better to provide openness even to just casual viewers of how does this group work, and what have they been up to, for how long, etc. # 02:40 tantek that being said, I know there's other stuff we could clean up that's just not relevant (if it ever was) # 02:42 xmpp-social [ajordan] tantek: I mean how to scribe isn't relevant to anyone not on telecons # 02:42 tantek not true, I think knowing how a group works is good transparency # 02:42 xmpp-social [ajordan] In general I'm with you though - this is something that already bothers me about W3C groups # 02:42 xmpp-social [ajordan] The issue is that it's just *so* long # 02:42 tantek right, in general I have been pushing for more transparency in and about W3C groups for a long time # 02:43 tantek I believe such transparency for standards orgs is the right thing for better open standards, and frankly, helps provide better understanding for folks curious about groups and may grow interested in participating (community growth etc.) # 02:44 tantek It's the groups where you can't figure out their working style that seem closed or inaccessible # 02:44 xmpp-social [ajordan] To be clear what I was proposing was keeping the section header and replacing the text with something like "meeting information, including <list of things that used to be there>, is here" # 02:44 xmpp-social [ajordan] Could we maybe compromise and replace it with a summary of that information? Then it wouldn't take up so much space # 02:45 xmpp-social [ajordan] The list of minutes is particularly bad # 02:45 tantek "replace with summary" = now you have two places to update, one less hidden, and thus more likely to get out of sync etc. # 02:45 tantek why is the list bad? you just scroll quickly since they're ordered # 02:46 xmpp-social [ajordan] It's just super long # 02:46 aaronpk There's plenty of crap on the page I would start work before bothering with the minutes list # 02:46 tantek ajordan, curious what actual overall problem(s) you're tring to solve # 02:46 xmpp-social [ajordan] Which is problematic because the page feels overloaded # 02:47 xmpp-social [ajordan] tantek: mostly just that it's loooooong # 02:48 xmpp-social [ajordan] Super intimidating to someone not familiar with our work/W3C # 02:48 tantek ajordan, the length is not a problem. people are used to infinite scroll anyway :P # 02:49 tantek the key thing is to make sure the top / early content is the most relevant to the widest audience(s) # 02:49 xmpp-social [ajordan] Hmm # 02:49 tantek having the rest of the page be long is no big deal # 02:49 tantek and frankly is still helpful for anything searching for something with say "find" # 02:50 tantek rather than digging through a mess of a random hierarchy of subpages # 02:50 tantek (which no one bothers to maintain, because, hey! look at the existing mess of subpages in /Socialwg/ # 02:50 tantek if you're looking for something to clean up, definitely check out the subpages that the home page links to first # 02:51 tantek and start with figuring out which ones are obsolete and should be labeled as such # 02:51 tantek as I'd say inaccurate / out of date pages is a MUCH bigger problem than "intimidation" # 02:52 xmpp-social [ajordan] I still think the length is a problem BUT agreed there's no sense in fixing that until things are ordered better # 02:52 tantek I'm saying inaccurate information is a worse problem than length of accurate information # 02:52 xmpp-social [ajordan] So I'll see if I can clean that up and see if it still seems bad # 02:52 xmpp-social [ajordan] That and inaccurate information # 02:53 xmpp-social [ajordan] To be clear I'm agreeing with you # 02:53 xmpp-social [ajordan] Mostly # 02:54 xmpp-social [ajordan] Sorry, I'm on a mobile client so I can't compose messages very fast # 02:54 tantek a-ha! ok that makes more sense. the home page is NOT mobile friendly at all # 02:58 ajordan that's also true although I *was* looking at it on my laptop when I said I wanted to clean up # 03:22 ajordan tantek: people not in the WG aren't invited to f2f meetings right? # 03:29 tantek right, however as you've noticed, we're pretty transparent about them here on IRC and we passively allow observers # 04:20 ajordan goes to implement a suggestion he gave to aaronpk a year ago, *at this same conference* # 04:35 Loqi tantek has 62 karma in this channel (352 overall) KevinMarks, KevinMarks_ and tantek joined the channel
# 12:22 jaywink this was weird. A colleague at my work was talking to another colleague about ActivityStreams2 # 12:23 jaywink apparently it will be used for something in one customer project :P customer technical person had given it as a kind of requirement KevinMarks_ joined the channel
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# 13:37 saranix jaywink: tripleset transmission is a very helpful thing in a lot of verticals. What kind of project is it? # 13:59 saranix It's better than most WG though... # 14:06 tantek like any wiki, it's built by those who take the time to work on it KevinMarks and timbl joined the channel
# 15:20 jaywink saranix: something to do with events of some kind, customer stuff so couldn't say anyway :) Will need to ask them later how it's going and if they ended up using AS2 for something. # 15:21 jaywink speaking of AS2, cwebber2, what is the future of ActivityPy? I think you were planning on a larger rewrite of it? timbl joined the channel
# 15:28 cwebber2 jaywink: yeah I'm planning on it, though I've been caught up in Pubstrate and the test suite timbl joined the channel
# 15:33 jaywink no worries. was just wondering whether to point to those colleagues in that direction or not. Since they're going to be doing python. # 15:36 jaywink I don't know tbh - but I think they'll want some component that is either semi-stable or write their own. I can tell them to have a look at least :) # 15:39 cwebber2 I don't think they want to use it in its current form timbl joined the channel
# 16:07 xmpp-social [ajordan] Hey so who here is coming to the IndieWeb Summit? timbl joined the channel
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ajordan so does anyone have objections to me moving like half the content to subpages? e.g. the Meetings section is mostly only relevant to WG members, so I'd move it to /Socialwg/Meetings
jankusanagi_ XMPP rox!! =)
tantek (which no one bothers to maintain, because, hey! look at the existing mess of subpages in /Socialwg/
ben_thatmustbeme MMN-o: thanks, thats good to know