#social 2017-09-18
2017-09-18 UTC
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cwebber lambda: finally, on the last one:
# cwebber Ef7MlxLXoBovhil3AlyjtBwAL9g4TN3tibLj7uuNB3CROat/9KaeQ4hW2NiJ+pZ6HQEOx9vYZAyi+7cmIkmJszJCut5kQLAwuX+Ms/mUFvpKlSo9StS2bMXDBNjOh4Auj774GFj4gwjS+3NhFeoqyr/MuN6HsEnkvn6zdgfE2i0=
# cwebber I mean
# cwebber probably yes if the other ones did :)
# cwebber but just checking
# cwebber lambda: I assumed so for the last one, but anyway, submitted a PR https://github.com/w3c-dvcg/http-signatures/issues/21#issuecomment-330103855
# cwebber oops
# cwebber I got your username wrong I think
# cwebber nice
# cwebber already merged!
# cwebber also nice, Manu is issuing a new version number with the fix
# erincandescent The httpsigs spec really doesn't seem well tended
# erincandescent lots of references to drafts of specs which ahve sicne rleeased
# cwebber erincandescent: I think Manu is pretty overwhelmed by editing All The Specs right now would welcome PRs :)
# cwebber *but would
# cwebber he merged my PR in minutes! :)
# erincandescent He does seem to have an Awful Lot of them
# lambda yeah, the link to valid encryption methods 404s, too.
# cwebber new draft out with the fixed examples https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cavage-http-signatures-08.txt
# cwebber I'd love to help on the URLs but I don't really have time
# cwebber erincandescent: lambda: since you've already identified the links which are wrong, maybe file an issue?
# cwebber I can submit a fix for them if you point them out, just don't have time to comb through.
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csarven I find the emoji input/storage discussion interesting because it appears to be similar decision making to input/storage of mathematical objects. For instance, users may using syntax like TeX, ASCIIMath, MathML, and the question (at least to me) is to decide on what to preserve. MathJax is JS library that can render all of them consistently and normalise on MathML (and SVG and maybe others). So, I wonder if it makes sense to store the MathML and forget about
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Loqi Rhiaro made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/WebSub PR]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104411&oldid=104201
# puckipedia csarven: I guess you'd use "source" for e.g. text/html+TeX, and then have it rendered into an img or so, embedded in the actual content?
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# cwebber csarven: you're right I think
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# cwebber this is a very painful read https://www.networkworld.com/article/3225456/internet/w3c-drm-appeal-fails-votes-kept-secret.html
# cwebber the w3c is making a big mistake by allowing DRM to unravel the web :(
# cwebber Thanks Loqi, though unfortunately this time I'm not sure it will. :\
# cwebber :P
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell ajordan still waiting on those edits you had for jf2
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# puckipedia semantic question: should I link towards the /activity/ or the object itself
# puckipedia actually woops I found this myself. always link to the object, not the activity. the Create is not semantic and you don't Announce a Create etc
# cwebber that's right puckipedia
# puckipedia csarven: I'll probably add a tiny icon or something, but primarily I'll link to the object
# puckipedia csarven: the link to the activity
# puckipedia like. if you press the time, or something (or the 'created'), it'll go to the object, instead of the create
# cwebber btw we have one of the more prominent members of the Mastodon community, who claims to have been working on an ActivityPub implementation, expressing unease about participating in the SocialCG and working on W3C tech with the W3C's decision to move forward on DRM https://mst3k.interlinked.me/@Elizafox/1481456
# cwebber I will continue to co-chair the SocialCG but I empathize.
# cwebber a clearer statement from them: https://mst3k.interlinked.me/@Elizafox/1481576
# cwebber the EFF's open letter to the W3C is worth a read btw https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/09/open-letter-w3c-director-ceo-team-and-membership
# erincandescent There's some irony that I once had a draft of a then pump.io extension which used EME (specifically with the "org.w3.clearkey" crypto system)
# erincandescent nothing whatsoever
# erincandescent ajordan: because HTML video doesnt' let you do OAuth type stuff on the requests it generates
# erincandescent also to avoid having to proxy the video content through your local server
# cwebber the EFF had proposed a covenant
# erincandescent it embedded the encryption key inside the AS object & let you dump the video file on a publicly accessible server (say, a CDN)
# cwebber which would have been something similar to the patent promises w3c participants make
# erincandescent ajordan: "org.w3.clearkey" is how you use EME to do encrypted video using a cleartext key
# erincandescent erincandescent: clearkey is "please decrypt this video using this key" rather than "please decrypt this video using some opaque key the DRM system provides"
# cwebber which would have protected security researchers
# cwebber from being sued for inspecting DRM systems, etc
# cwebber I don't understand why the W3C couldn't at least have adopted that
# cwebber if it did move forward with EME
# cwebber the patent protections stuff in the W3C is clearly considered such a win
# cwebber and the amount of risk that the DMCA puts someone at in this same space is comparable
# cwebber sure, vendors could have done it outside the w3c, but the w3c could have chosen to either adopt that covenant or say "ok, do it outside the w3c so the w3c does not endorse this being part of the web"
# cwebber thanks ajordan
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ajordan *sigh* pretty sure the quote about antitrust was in https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/beyond-unfree-the-software-you-can-go-to-jail-for-talking-about/ but my internet is so bad I can't actally find it
# cwebber yeah Cory did talk about it
# cwebber I don't remember the specifics, but basically there's an opening for saying "okay, this DRM stuff being done out side of web standards is a move by media monopolies to..." but the W3C standardizing it muffles that argument
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