#social 2017-10-29

2017-10-29 UTC
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cwebber2 puckipedia: :)
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puckipedia yay, I can now do audience filtering /in/ the database :P
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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puckipedia the triple store is backfiring
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rhiaro story of my life
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xmpp-social [ajordan] yikes
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puckipedia I fixed it by requiring the triple store and database behind it are always in sync
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puckipedia now I need to fix a few things that are a limitation of the ORM I based the thing on
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puckipedia yep this was so much a bad idea
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puckipedia I think I'm going to throw away the whole idea of "committing changes" and just use transactions everywhere
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rhiaro I think I'm going to throw away the whole idea of "writing code" and just go to bed
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puckipedia works too
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rhiaro faceplants desk
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rhiaro I have left so many parts of this thing not quite finished that doing anything is impossible
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rhiaro shakes fist at past rhiaro
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rhiaro I swear this thing used to work
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rhiaro then I started *paging*
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puckipedia haha
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puckipedia I am actually thinking of redoing the entire paging system
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Loqi ahahahaha
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I feel like I'm watching a transcription of my entire life
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xmpp-social [ajordan] "I swear to used to work"
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xmpp-social [ajordan] "/me shakes fist at past me"
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xmpp-social [ajordan] too real
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I sympathize rhiaro :P
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puckipedia hm, only 17 seconds to POST an object to my outbox
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puckipedia 10 seconds now
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puckipedia good enough(TM)
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rhiaro hey puckipedia, you know you had that to:talItems JSON-LD bug and I had the same one and you fixed it by adding the datatype
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rhiaro like ten million hours ago I tried the same fix and it didn't work
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rhiaro and I spent ten million hours trying to debug my JSON-LD library
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rhiaro and
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rhiaro and
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rhiaro I just had tried "Integer" instead of "nonNegativeInteger"
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rhiaro and actually that fix works for me
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rhiaro and that's what I spent today doing instead of making my client work properly
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puckipedia yyyyep
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puckipedia I'm going to have to spend like a million hours figuring out how to get a triple store down to <1 second for a request
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rhiaro eep yeah, did you build a triplestore from scratch?
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puckipedia yepp
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rhiaro does it live in a regular database of some kind?
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puckipedia yep. postgres, currently
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rhiaro cool
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rhiaro mine lives in mysql
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rhiaro but I didn't make it myself
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puckipedia yeah, I've actually built it on top of EntityFramework, a .NET ORM
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rhiaro I used to think it was slow but it turned out the RDF library that came with the triplestore was slow, and when I switched to a different library for actually parsing the query results everything was much faster
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puckipedia I almost directly move from the quad store into JSON-LD
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xmpp-social [ajordan] puckipedia: how good are .NET's performance profiling tools?
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puckipedia ajordan: no idea(TM)
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Classic :D
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I mean same though
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puckipedia I have three tables, first is a table { int id, string uri } for all the ID values
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puckipedia (e.g. type, object id, parameter id)
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puckipedia aha. I think just adding an index on the Uri, and adding an index on SubjectEntityId should help a ton
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puckipedia SELECT "a"."AttributeId", "a"."Uri" FROM "Attributes" AS "a" WHERE 0 = 1
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puckipedia except I still don't know what this is doing
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cwebber2 hello from the airport
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puckipedia ohaio!
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Heya cwebber2!
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cwebber2 hi hi!
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cwebber2 wedding was nice
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cwebber2 heading back hooome
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cwebber2 hey look only 2 AP issues in the tracker, horray
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xmpp-social [ajordan] :-)
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Happy to hear your weekend was good \o/
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cwebber2 gosh I'd really love to close https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/260
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Loqi [yvolk] #260 Relation between Actors and Users of servers is undefined
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cwebber2 I think we made some positive changes based on the ticket but it feels like remaining discussion is fit for the CCG not anything AP CR-blocking
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cwebber2 er
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cwebber2 PR-blocking
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cwebber2 er
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cwebber2 the SocialCG
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puckipedia yeah. I already have this loose relationship between Actor and user :P
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xmpp-social [ajordan] It seems like they don't quite understand some of the process stuff going on
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Like the fact that we're already in CR
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xmpp-social [ajordan] And also it seems like they want migration to be built in to the data model when in reality that's not *really* possible due to the coupling of URLs to ids
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xmpp-social [ajordan] So we do it "imperatively" instead
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Is that just me?
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cwebber2 ajordan: for HTTPS at least
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cwebber2 but again AP could be used with DIDs, etc.. or there are other methods we are discussing too in the SocialCG
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Right
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puckipedia firefox's inspector broke
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cwebber2 and that doesn't require any changes to AP itself, at its core
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puckipedia anyways. I think I got a request down from 4s to 3s now
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xmpp-social [ajordan] But at least atm the spec is, in practice, all http
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cwebber2 ajordan: the examples are
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cwebber2 but the spec does not require http, and that's intentional
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cwebber2 it requires GET and POST
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cwebber2 and http headers
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Right sorry
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cwebber2 but that's not necessary something that means https:// only
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cwebber2 the implementation world is, in practice
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cwebber2 all http :)
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xmpp-social [ajordan] I meant that all current implementations are https://
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cwebber2 yes
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cwebber2 *that* is true for sure.
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xmpp-social [ajordan] And will be for a while
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cwebber2 yep
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xmpp-social [ajordan] So practically speaking we can't do anything that would put migration in the data layer into the core spec because it would break the real world
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xmpp-social [ajordan] That's what I meant
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rhiaro breaking the real worl d++
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rhiaro should go to bed
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puckipedia me too
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cwebber2 yep
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Hah
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xmpp-social [ajordan] https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/672846409444364288
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Loqi [@sadserver] Happy Friday! Share a gif that shows how your last deploy went https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CVZuPk9UAAEQICx.png
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xmpp-social [ajordan] ^^^ us rolling out a new CR :P
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