#social 2018-04-19

2018-04-19 UTC
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dansup What do you think about javascript? For my project, its a progressive enhancement and not required. https://mastodon.social/@dansup/99884491601937684
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Loqi [dansup] Every action has a javascript-free fallback. I have nothing against js myself, but accessibility is important.
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@toontoet ↩️ Ja. Initiatieven genoeg al! En er is nu zelfs een OPEN standaard om die eerdere netwerken aan elkaar te knopen tot een netwerk van netwerken. De enige manier volgens mij om een schaalbaar alternatief te bieden zonder lockins en nieuwe silo’s https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (twitter.com/_/status/986861850460536834)
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csarven cwebber2: AP adoption by different communities, use cases... is *really* great.
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cwebber2 dansup: I think javascript being optional is always good when it can be done
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lain honestly, i don't think it's that important for our use case
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lain if you don't want JS you can use applications on your computer or phone
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lain social networking sites are applications, not just 'websites'.
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cwebber2 lain: I didn't say it's required, just good when it can be done :)
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lain it's sensible to require js
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cwebber2 lain: for me, I have noscript on by default, especially in the wake of meltdown/spectre
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lain sure, if it falls out of your design, it's nice, but it seems like wasted time overall. you can't implement most functions that people expect of a social network without js.
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lain at least not in a very impractical way
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lain or just read the fediverse with a gopher client :)
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cwebber2 has someone written a gopher bridge yet? ;)
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cwebber2 because that would be hilarious
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lain try it: lynx gopher://pleroma.soykaf.com:9999
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cwebber2 whoa
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cwebber2 lain: anyway, that's all to say that given that there's a machine-readable version of things that clients *can* render, I agree that it's not as-required as say, reading a normal blog, to have a non-js version, since you could read it in a variety of clients and js is just one
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cwebber2 however, if someone puts in the work to make things renderable without js, I think that's very *nice*
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lain true true
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cwebber2 anyway, hello / good morning everyone
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cwebber2 goes to do morning routine before a call with a client
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csarven re "sensible to require js" -- not necessarily IMO. All content should be retrievable via HTTP GET without having to rely on JS. Simple test is to see if a text-browser can provide all the bits necessary to make sense of what's going on. Hyperlinks for navigation.. just HTML out of the box will do. It is possible to have HTML form to do some aspects of "write", and if that can be done great.. then more fancy way of presenting/interacting with that can be
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csarven done through CSS/JS.
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csarven HTML is an interface.
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xmpp-social [ajordan] Also friendly reminder that HTML is always waaaay faster than JS, simply because browser engines are much much better at (incremental) HTML parsing than you and I are
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cwebber2 btw
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cwebber2 https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/9kgvga/cloudflare-switter-down-fosta-sesta
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cwebber2 no matter how you feel about sex work, I think there's good reason to be troubled by that... or at least troubled by relying on things like Cloudflare
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lain did they just cut them off without warning?
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cwebber2 I think so.
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cwebber2 https://switter.at/@switter/99883820675312060
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Loqi [Switter] Regarding our recent outage. You can find an official statement below. The last documented time Cloudflare terminated services was when they terminated the account of a white supremacist website last year. We are waiting on answers. https://assembly...
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cwebber2 I guess they did get served a notice but I suspect it was without a pre-warning at least
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lain the page reads like they didn't get any time to react
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lain not really unexpected though
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lain if they made the instance with the explicit purpose to circumvent a new us law, using an US company for CDN was risky.
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cwebber2 yes I agree
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