#social 2018-10-24
2018-10-24 UTC
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rialtate[m] I'm getting "signed request date outide of acceptable time window" from mastodon but it isn't. I am using the same exact date format that they send... Any clue?
# heluecht[m] But your server time doesn't fit their server time.
# heluecht[m] either you aren't sending UTC or your server is out of sync.
# heluecht[m] Just don't use the time to sign the HTTP at all. Use the digest and the content-length.
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# rialtate[m] It randomly started working. It does seem to require "GMT" and can't understand "UTC" lol but it was still doing it for some reason...
# rialtate[m] It's really sad that I have to use a superspecific date format when all the other impls accept just about any format, but I certainly won't drop date entirely just cause mastodon. It serves a purpose and the universe does not revolve around what (little) mastodon is able to understand.
# heluecht[m] The HTTP signature fields just serve the purpose to validate the content. So you could use any fielfs that are about to be different from post to post.
# heluecht[m] Using the digest and content-length is safer and without problems.
# heluecht[m] But thanks for reminding me that I have to do some date range check as well.
# rialtate[m] The std says to allow 300 seconds skew in either direction. Mastodon allows 12 hours.
# rialtate[m] Date serves as a nonce against replays, but it's less important over https
# rialtate[m] I think there was some other reason I am using date too, like some impl require it I think but I can't remember which
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# vasilakisfil what protocols/specs is it possible to implement in a static site? I know rss/atom, is there any other ?
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# jdormit_mobile Under what circumstances does Mastodon display an activity sent to its inbox from an actor that the Mastodon user doesn't follow?
# jdormit_mobile I'm trying to implement replies where the Mastodon user follows the Actor who posted the parent but not the Actor who posted the reply
# nightpool[m] when the user is mentioned in the activity
# jdormit_mobile How does that work for just viewing a reply chain where you don't necessarily follow everyone in the conversation?
# nightpool[m] I guess I'm not sure what you mean by display, then
# nightpool[m] display in a user's inbox, or just store for later?
# nightpool[m] mastodon never discards any activities except duplicates
# jdormit_mobile Display in the reply thread when you click on the parent toot
# nightpool[m] anything that's recursively inReplyTo the parent toot
# jdormit_mobile Hmm I think I am doing that
# jdormit_mobile E.g. https://mastodon.technology/web/statuses/100950396600252230 has several replies from different actors, but I'm only seeing the replies from the actor that I follow
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tantek vasilakisfil_: delayed response, re: https://chat.indieweb.org/social/2018-10-24/1540371564176500
# nightpool[m] and you're sure you're sending all four activities to the inbox?
# jdormit Oh you know what, I don't think I'm putting inReplyTo on the reply object itself, just on the Create activity
# jdormit Let me check
# nightpool[m] then why was the first reply showing up?
# tantek vasilakisfil_: You can implement microformats, in particular h-feed, h-entry, h-card for your static HTML pages. start here: https://indieweb.org/h-feed
# nightpool[m] I'd guess there's something wrong with either your actor accounts for anonymous users or your authentication for them
# tantek You can implement Webmention by delegating to a service to receive them on your behalf, and then embed results. See https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Services to start for that. There are similar projects that help static sites support Micropub and Websub as well.
# jdormit It's the other way around, actually - the inReplyTo is going on the Note object but not on the wrapping Create. Would that be a problem?
# jdormit FWIW the posts that are showing up (from the actor that I already follow) also only have inReplyTo on the object and not the Create
# vasilakisfil_ yeah I think you can do some basic stuff on static sites, and then more advanced if you can delegate the dynamic parts to services. I think it would be great to clean up these in my head, will investigate more
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# nightpool[m] jdormit: inReplyTo is a property on Objects, not Activities
# nightpool[m] or at least, not conventionally on activities
# jdormit okay so I've got that right then
# jdormit if I visit the actor profile of the actor who I don't follow, the Mastodon UI says they have 1 toot but it doesn't show up: https://mastodon.technology/web/accounts/146238
# tantek vasilakisfil_ there's a whole community of folks supporting all these standards/formats/protocols with Jekyll and other static site generators. https://indieweb.org/static_site_generator
# vasilakisfil_ tantek yes I have heard jekyll, problem is that there isn't really a guide which can tell you what you can/can't do with a static site. Honestly not interested to learn the internals of every single spec to make my site as social as I could be but I guess I ll have to
# vasilakisfil_ tantek I used to have jekyll, then moved to ghost (guh), then to hugo but now I am considering ember-ghost since I am an ember dev for years and provides me enormous flexibility
# vasilakisfil_ I know that there was a girl here, can't remember her name, that had done a very interesting phd in social stuff but would like to take a close look in socializing static-only sites
# vasilakisfil_ it's the easiest thing to setup for anyone without sacrificing his/her privacy
# dmitriz heh, you're probably referring to rhiaro
# vasilakisfil_ yes
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# tantek vasilakisfil_: Hugo itself has a good set of folks using it. There's a theme with microformats already all setup, and an open source Micropub endpoint: https://indieweb.org/nanopub
# tantek and on Hugo in general https://indieweb.org/Hugo
# vasilakisfil_ ah cool that's gold thanks!
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# rialtate[m] jdormit: figure it out yet? I have been having similar problems for weeks with no answer yet
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# vasilakisfil this is a nice post: https://www.amitgawande.com/indiewebify-hugo-website/
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# rialtate[m] When fetching a post url with activity+json, does the object returned have to be inside a Create activity?
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