#social 2021-01-17
2021-01-17 UTC
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jarofgreen rhiaro: Did you say there was going to be a Nextcloud calendar?
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# jarofgreen tcit[m]: Thanks
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# jarofgreen rhiaro: sorry for Q on https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/socialcg-meetings-calendar/1308 - happy to chat if you want :-)
# jarofgreen rhiaro: From google to nextcloud to others ….. hmmmmm. Would you be up for me suggesting something else?
# jarofgreen rhiaro: which extension? I looked at one before that wasn’’t generating ical ids properly, that might be fixed by now tho
# jarofgreen rhiaro: tho …. given that Actiivtypub Events dont have recourrenig options (you can look forward to my post on that soon :-P ) something that didn’t use the recurring event options would be good
# jarofgreen rhiaro: and I could host something on my event software if you want?
# jarofgreen rhiaro: and give several people access to edit, but i would set up something to automically create events
# jarofgreen rhiaro: on another forum - the cotech one
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rhiaro (see also: rdf translation if ical - https://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-rdfcal-20050929/)
# jarofgreen lh
# GregoryKlyushnikov Events in AP are a weird thing because they aren't actors. They're just... Events. And that's it. No one knows how you're supposed to be using them.
# jarofgreen rhiaro: I think needs extension with reoccuring - and using RRULE form ical seems sensible. Also what timezone they are meant to be in
# GregoryKlyushnikov Yes and that's the problem
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: there are 2 use cases for events in AP that I see - someone organising an event and someone listing an event others have organised
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: both have some interesting things
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: one of the event software I’ve seen does basically put the event as the actor btw.
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: are you working on event software
# jarofgreen rhiaro: yeah, to be honest I’d priritise a good ical feed over activitypub at the moment. - tho my app does both :-)
# GregoryKlyushnikov Yes I understand, but event not being an actor, like a group, doesn't make much sense 🤔
# jarofgreen rhiaro: I just saw the google id and was like “is this a good ical”?
# GregoryKlyushnikov I'm the same Gregory who makes Smithereen, I just have 2 IRC accounts. This one is from matrix, just so I don't miss anything important and so I could chat from my phone
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: I’m working on event software for discovery and listing (not arganising, so no RSVP at all) and i think the event not being the actor makes sense in my case
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: Ah cool. I only heard of that in the meeting this week.
# GregoryKlyushnikov On Facebook-style social networks you're supposed to be able to join events much the same way you join groups
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: that creates problems for event organisers sometimes
# GregoryKlyushnikov In fact, VKontakte internally represents events as groups with a couple additional fields
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: if someone else organises the event and I’m just listing it, I need to make sure that anyone who wants to attend gets tickets from the ORGINAL ORGANISER NOT ME. Facebook events , etc, is realy bad for encouraging people to just say yes on FB and not get proper tickets
# GregoryKlyushnikov Since I'm mimicking that, it makes sense for me to have events as an extension of groups
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: that’s fine if the person posting the event is the organiser, but I’m working on listing
# GregoryKlyushnikov On the other hand, facebook events are amazing for birthday parties and such
# GregoryKlyushnikov I got you anyway
# GregoryKlyushnikov Didn't think about that use case
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: also, a lot of times I’ve seen organisers have places to put their events they then start listing other peoples events too and this problem comes up
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: oh yeah, FB events for a personal party all the way (if all friends on FB). I’m more thinking about listing public events
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: VKontakte sounds like it’s more geared towards events as in the personal birthday party type thing?
# GregoryKlyushnikov People did create unofficial VK events for concerts (remember those?) but usually did put "unofficial event" somewhere in its profile. Still, suboptimal, but better than nothing.
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: Yes, that happens on FB and meetup.com a lot too. Normally with some text saying “you must get tickets elsewehere!”. it’s not the best
# GregoryKlyushnikov VKontakte is basically a Russian Facebook clone, that's a bit nicer than the original. Facebook has never had any popularity over here.
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: heard of it but not used it :-)
# GregoryKlyushnikov I actually worked there for 5 years, AMA lol
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: nice
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: I have never worked at FB (or a FANG??)
# GregoryKlyushnikov I got there before it became a corporation
# GregoryKlyushnikov It was 2011 and it was still ruled by Pavel Durov
# GregoryKlyushnikov The team was like idk 10-15 people
# GregoryKlyushnikov Then capitalism did its thing and dormant shareholders woke up and started demanding to make the charts go up
# GregoryKlyushnikov In the end they basically ousted him and sold the whole thing to mail.ru group, which is a giant behemoth of a company
# GregoryKlyushnikov By 2016 I've had enough of this "we tell you what to do, you write code" stuff so I quit
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: hah, i was part of a team tryng that once but they didn’t manage it and went into liquadation soon afterwards, then there was a commutity buyout and it’s still a community company now
# GregoryKlyushnikov I wanted to respect my users, but they won't let me
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: now i actually work with rhiaro
# GregoryKlyushnikov Now VK is this money earning machine and there are ads and analytics everywhere
# GregoryKlyushnikov Everything is being done to make the charts go up.
# GregoryKlyushnikov Because of this, there's now no place to hang out with friends and like-minded people online
# GregoryKlyushnikov And that's why I'm making Smithereen. I want that cozy place back.
# GregoryKlyushnikov So anyway, events. I haven't understood why is there a TentativeAccept but no TentativeJoin
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: good luck with your mission!
# GregoryKlyushnikov Thanks :)
# jarofgreen GregoryKlyushnikov: I haven’t looked at any RSVP stuff at all yet - as said, for listing it’s complicated
# jarofgreen rhiaro: I think i might set something up for me if nothing else, and i’ll post it for others if that’s not checky
# jarofgreen rhiaro: does it need to be nextcloud? could we just use the forum? tho actually, maybe I’ll set up what I’m doing then see if i can encouarge people to use that
# jarofgreen :-P
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@dustyweb ↩️ Consider if you have something like Tahoe's "mutable files", but then *use that* as an ActivityPub address: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#Overview
So, if I'm on a server, and that server goes down, I can push out an update to my user's profile to the network pointing at my new "inbox" (twitter.com/_/status/1350936951373889540)
# jarofgreen rhiaro: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/socialcg-meetings-calendar/1308 can you just confirm it is meant to be UTC all year round?
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