#wordpress 2017-12-30

2017-12-30 UTC
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wagle query-monitor plugin observes that "remove_post_formats" dooesnt exist in
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wagle ./wp-content/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/includes/class-kind-config.php: add_action( 'after_setup_theme', array( 'Kind_Config', 'remove_post_formats' ), 11 );
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GWG Yes?
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GWG I thought I got rid of that
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wagle it thinksit has the most up to date version, but it might be confused
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GWG It's gone now
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GWG Will push in the next version
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GWG There used to be a menu option to remove post formats, but I decided that people can make that decision for themselves, since some people clearly wanted both
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wagle cool.. I now have a nice debugging tool to give a spin
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wagle but need to update a plugin
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wagle for the "10 minute timeout" problem
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GWG That shouldn't have anything to do with it though. That's just some old code that wasn't doing anything
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wagle yeah.. it just showed up in red oon the huge report quuery-monitor produced.. thought i'd mention it
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GWG Definitely worth mentioning
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gRegorLove On http://odat.xyz/2017/12/30/90/, is the #90 title something the plugin adds?
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Loqi [camb] #90
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CamB Moved here now. :)
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GWG No. It wouldn't add a title. That is likely the default the system has
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gRegorLove Meaning WordPress adds the post number as the title?
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GWG Yes
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CamB Do I understand correclty that post kinds ads microformats2 tags for all the options?
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GWG CamB: Correct
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CamB F@#!*& awesome :)
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GWG CamB: How is it working for you?
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CamB GWG: I love it! Next I would need/want an option for "question" and "product".
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CamB but If that doesn't yet exist I will start looking into how to add that those.
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GWG CamB: What is a question?
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GWG What is a product?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "product" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "product is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG What is a question?
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Loqi question is a post type for soliciting answer replies, which are then typically up/down voted by others and then displayed underneath the question post ordered by highest positive vote count rather than time ordered https://indieweb.org/question
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GWG CamB: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/142
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Loqi [dshanske] #142 Add support for Questions
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GWG Still don't know what a product is
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CamB GWG: A "question" would be like posting a question on your own site (instead of stackexchange) and waiting for webreplies as answers. I don't know if there is already a tag for it.
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GWG CamB: No, there is not a kind for it, but I just opened an issue for it
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GWG Product is the one we don't have a page for.
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Loqi ok
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CamB GWG: You're right on it. Cool
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GWG Oopps
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GWG Umm...if you could define that, I should fix that as it now goes..
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GWG What is a product?
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Loqi Product is the one we don't have a page for https://indieweb.org/Product
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CamB Product would be anything for sale with a price
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CamB A product could also be a service
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GWG Interesting
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GWG So, selling things on your website?
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GWG Do you have an example of that on another site?
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GWG We have talked about reviews of products, but not selling them
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CamB I don't have an example with microformats2 for this. But yes. Selling stuff on my site instead of a silo while allowing decentralized and somewhat censorship resistant comments.
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CamB *resistant reviews i mean
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CamB http://microformats.org/wiki/h-product
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GWG CamB: It doesn't have to be an example of a microformat. Any use of the type
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GWG Post Kinds mostly focuses on types of h-entry, which is why h-event, h-review, and h-product aren't available now.
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GWG They might be better in WordPress as a Custom Post Type as opposed to a Kind.
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GWG But worth doing at some point.
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CamB I'm a bit confused by the difference between the "format" options and the "kinds" I can set format to image, but kind to video. How does that work out?
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CamB Sorry it's all new to me.
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GWG CamB: Post Kinds are meant to replace Post Formats
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GWG No need to be sorry, how do you know without asking.
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CamB Should I always leave the format as standard then and only use the Kinds options?
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GWG For now, yes.
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CamB Ok. Cool. Love it. :)
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GWG Any suggestions are always welcome
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CamB Will do. I will be adding post kinds as a recommended tool to my project Metanet https://github.com/Cam-B/MetaNet
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Loqi [Cam-B] MetaNet: Decentralized Forums and Commenting
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CamB The project barely started. There's not really anything there yet. Just an idea.
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GWG Everything starts as an idea
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GWG CamB: Anything else I can help with?
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CamB GWG: This was a great start on the Wordpress. Thanks! I am reading up as much as I can about Indieweb.
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CamB Also just wikified :) https://indieweb.org/User:Odat.xyz
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CamB Could you recommend any websearch options for microformats? How can I search for only posts using a specific "kind" or "tag"?
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GWG odat.xyk/kind/reply
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GWG There's an archive
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CamB https://odat.xyz/kind/reply is a 404. What should be there?
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CamB GWG: And do you mean this archive?
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CamB http://www.indiemap.org/
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML + mf2. Social graph API and interactive ma...
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GWG No
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GWG Go to Settings->Permalink and Save
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CamB GWG: I don't understand.
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GWG If you go to your settings, and just save the permalink page without modifying it, it should allow /kind/reply to work
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CamB GWG: Oh. Git it! :)
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CamB *got it
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GWG CamB: Making a note to do that automatically
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CamB Is the sempress theme really required? I'm unable to remove the menu and widgets on that theme for some reason. Also there are #numbers appearing in my pages content now.
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GWG CamB: It's a Microformats2 capable theme. You can use any theme, but not all of them support microformats2
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GWG I don't use SemPress myself
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GWG I use a modded version of the 2016 theme
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CamB before I was using the 2016 also.
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GWG You want to have a look at my fork?
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CamB would love too
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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CamB Installed :) Very awesome!
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gRegorLove I'm updating a friend's WP install and am going to try out installing the IndieWeb plugins for the first time. Will make notes if anything stands out. :)
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GWG gRegorLove: I think we've gotten a lot better
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gRegorLove Using a non-indieweb theme, too (Hemingway), so will see how the microformats are
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GWG The h-as thing is gone, by the way
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gRegorLove Yeah, I saw that! Awesome.
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GWG gRegorLove: See, your notes can be most helpful
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gRegorLove I try
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gRegorLove And if I can't be helpful, I try to be funny
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GWG Funny is good
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gRegorLove What's the first plugin someone should install? IndieWeb Plugin or Webmention? Or another one?
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gRegorLove Looking through /Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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GWG The Indieweb Plugin
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gRegorLove I wonder if focusing on the /IndieMark levels is a good idea on that page. It's another new term to wrap your mind around, especially if you're brand new to indieweb.
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gRegorLove Maybe use-cases like "I want to be able to post replies to other sites on my own site"
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gRegorLove installs IndieWeb Plugin
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gRegorLove What is IndieWeb Plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb Plugin is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove I thought we had a wiki page for that
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gRegorLove What is WordPress IndieWeb Plugin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress IndieWeb Plugin" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WordPress IndieWeb Plugin is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gregorlove.com created /WordPress_IndieWeb_Plugin (+298) "prompted by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gRegorLove GWG: Installed Webmention + Semantic Linkbacks from the IndieWeb Plugin. Don't see a webmention endpoint advertised. Is that because it's a different theme (Hemingway)?
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gRegorLove How do I add the endpoint?
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gRegorLove reviews Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Webmentions
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gRegorLove er, /Getting_Started_on_WordPress#Webmentions
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gRegorLove Ah, didn't have link notifications from other blogs enabled.
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gRegorLove Wait. It was enabled.
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gRegorLove This is on http://indiana-mama.com/
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gRegorLove My notes: https://gregorlove.com/2017/12/indieweb-wordpress-feedback/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] IndieWeb WordPress Feedback
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gRegorLove Oops, apparently missed the Activate step on those last two. That explains the missing endpoint. Working now. :)
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GWG Gregorlove, sorry, I stepped away
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gRegorLove No worries
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GWG A few of the things you mentioned are on my list
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gRegorLove Webmention comment looks great: http://indiana-mama.com/2017/12/30/a-small-2017-book-look-back/#comment-525210
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Loqi gRegor Morrill
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gRegorLove Hmm, after approving the webmention I sent a second webmention (a like) and noticed in comment moderation it says "0 approved" beside the second webmention.
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gRegorLove Perhaps if WP could track correctly the number of approved comments, not as many would get caught in spam.
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gRegorLove *approved webmentions
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GWG Open some issues if you can with information on the right plugin.
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GWG I periodically do some gardening
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GWG As you noticed
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[miklb] I think its still a function you add to your theme, but there is a way to automatically unspam webmentions
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GWG miklb, there should be better ways
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[miklb] agreed
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm familiar with that. Just noticed the "0 approved" thing
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gRegorLove WP is probably using email address to track those
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gRegorLove So subsequent wm from the same domain aren't tracked in that count
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[miklb] ah, I follow now
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GWG Approving on domain is possible, but as someone pointed out, Twitter is a domain, and you might not want to approve all bridgy webmentions from there
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[miklb] since bridgy returns the full Twitter object, in theory we could parse the profile url and store that?
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GWG [miklb]: When publishing, yes.
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GWG But this is backfeed.
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gRegorLove I hadn't set up Bridgy yet, just indieweb-to-indieweb webmentions
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GWG gRegorLove: We're discussing methodology though
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GWG I wrote the code to whitelist domains
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gRegorLove That might be the easier case to work with, then twitter as a special case.
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gRegorLove E.g. if I approve a wm from david.shanske.com, it's likely I mean to approve any future wm as well
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GWG gRegorLove: Agreed, but I was trying to think of a solution for multi-user domains, not just single user ones.
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GWG And a way to explain the difference in the interface.
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GWG I suppose whitelists could be of the author url plus the domain
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GWG Two factors required
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gRegorLove Ah. Does WP core differentiate spam comments among users?
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GWG gRegorLove: Spam handling is pluggable
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gRegorLove I mean: if you have WP User A and B, then User X comments on each of their posts, do A&B have to approve the comment, or does approving the first one mean subsequent comments from X aren't marked as spam?
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gRegorLove Core WP functionality question, aside from add'l whitelists plugins might add
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gRegorLove Also, does multi-user domain mean multiple users (authors) on a single blog, or multiple WP blogs running off one WP install?
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[miklb] that’s a sitewide setting I believe. Choice of all must be manually approved, or comment author must have one approved comment
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gRegorLove That probably gets at the distinction in my first question more easily.
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gRegorLove [miklb]: Makes sense. That's what I was thinking.
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[miklb] Settings->Discussion
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gRegorLove So there's no special handling for single-author vs multi-author blogs.
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GWG Pfefferle pointed out the authorship in a comment is too easily spoofed
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GWG I was just suggesting that webmention build in checking author and domain, not just author
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[miklb] that’s not a bad idea GWG at least an interim step towards Vouch I’m guessing
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GWG Because it uses author email
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GWG And yes
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gRegorLove Not sure I understand the spoofing concern. You approve a wm from gregorlove.com, then miklb tries to take advantage by crafting a comment on his site listing my domain as the author?
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GWG Yes
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gRegorLove checks the WP comments schema
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gRegorLove Hmm, I have comment_whitelist on, so I'd expect subsequent wm to pass based on: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/tags/4.9/src/wp-includes/comment.php#L119
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[miklb] replies aren’t classified as webmentions in the db which throws a wrench into that
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gRegorLove Hm, my example here is
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gRegorLove Ah, I think I see the problem
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gRegorLove https://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/tags/4.9/src/wp-includes/comment.php#L114
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gRegorLove $email will be empty, so it automatically returns false
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gRegorLove Not hookable, either :/
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gRegorLove Otherwise, as long as the comment_type isn't trackback or pingback, and the author name and email aren't empty, it should respect previously approved wm
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gRegorLove How's the validation on comment_author_email? Store the sender's domain there? :)
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GWG We store the email if on the person's site