#wordpress 2018-02-13

2018-02-13 UTC
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GWG [workingwriter]: Turn off the Microformats 2 plugin
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GWG It is not for themes that have Microformats 2, like Sempress
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[workingwriter] I thought it would be something simple. Testing now...
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[workingwriter] Yup, thanks!
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GWG [workingwriter]: We tried to make that as a compatibility thing, but it is problematic.
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GWG [workingwriter]: How else can we help?
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[workingwriter] @GWG I am working through the steps on a test server (Local by Flywheel). So far so good. Hoping the rest goes smoothly, but I know where to come now. 👍
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GWG [workingwriter]: Always happy to help
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GWG [workingwriter]: If you have any feedback on the setup, we know that it could be clearer to newcomers.
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GWG [miklb]: I could use help if you have a moment.
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[miklb] Sure. What’s up?
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GWG Well, I'm still experimenting with designs on the metabox in Post Kinds.
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GWG I have divided it into sections.
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GWG URL and Name, Summary Tags and Featured Image, Author URL Photo and Name, Site Name and Published, Duration and Start/End Time.
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GWG I'm trying to figure out how to make it flow better for people.
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[miklb] what’s the branch with this work?
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GWG It's in the Master Branch right now.
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GWG It's one big gigantic piece. I'm separating it into pieces so I could have it slide up and down.
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] Can I pick it up to check?
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[miklb] I’m looking now. I see the direction you’re going and like it.
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[miklb] [xavierroy] https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds
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Loqi [dshanske] indieweb-post-kinds: adds support for responding to and interacting with other sites using the standards developed by IndieWebCamp
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GWG I'm thinking of having each section expand instead of the whole long thing
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[xavierroy] [miklb] I'm already using it. Just wanted to check if anything change since I last updated it... Going through the commits, looks like the issue kind has been added in the past few days
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GWG [xavierroy]: Still more design tweaks before I'm happy enough to release it. Issue kind was activated due Bridgy getting Github support
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] great.. I use issue kinds atleast to track issues that i raised on github
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[miklb] [xavierroy] ah, sorry misunderstood.
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GWG I just am not sure how it should look, so it is pretty generic so far
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[miklb] did you see that GitHub is in early beta on bridgy [xavierroy]
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[xavierroy] just wondering if there is a way to update plugins in the Wp admin directly without having to download an dupload
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[xavierroy] [miklb] Yes. saw that.
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GWG [xavierroy]: Yes. When I release it, it will be an option.
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GWG The Development version in Github have to be installed manually
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[xavierroy] I think I may be having an issue with the Micropub plugin... posts from Teacup do not come through
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GWG I had some reports of new Micropub issues I have to check out before release.
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GWG This improvement is still days away from me considering a release.
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[miklb] not sure if I’m answering any questions, but I did file/update a couple of issues GWG
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GWG Well, I'm looking to make the Author/Artist section collapsible by itself.
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[miklb] just curious why semicolon separated and not comma
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[miklb] GWG my suggestion https://cdn.miklb.com/Add_New_Post__Miklb_Dev__WordPress_2018-02-12_23-06-40.png
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GWG I'm working on that now.
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GWG [miklb]: Because some of the source I use have commas in them. But I may switch to an Add Field box in future.
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[xavierroy] but i love semicolons 🙂
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GWG [xavierroy]: Any reason why?
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[xavierroy] i'm using that tags box to add triple-tags like book:isbn=xxxxxx; book:author=XXX YYY.
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[xavierroy] and some authors have commas in thier names, ex: William Henry Gates, III
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[xavierroy] or someone with a Jr.
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GWG [xavierroy]: The , is why I did it.
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[xavierroy] a comma separator would push out the III or Jr as a separate tag
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[xavierroy] yeah. that's why i prefer it to be a semicolon
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[miklb] that makes sense
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GWG [xavierroy], [miklb]: Can you look again? I just pushed a change.
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[miklb] getting a 404 for on the js files and then a couple of TypeErrors.
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GWG One second. I think I forgot to push the update to remove trying to load the old files
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[xavierroy] i'll wait till you push out the missing files
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GWG Try it now?
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[xavierroy] okay
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[miklb] I had to go in and add the metabox to screen options after that update
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GWG [miklb]: Well, it should go in by default. Odd.
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[miklb] Not sure I understand if the details are suppose to roll up if I click Author or just appends
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GWG Right now, it doesn't roll up details.
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[xavierroy] it is enabled , but not displayed. unchecking and checking displays the box
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GWG Maybe it should.
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[miklb] it wasn’t enabled for me, I had to check it. Was there a few minutes ago when I was testing. Only after last 2 commits. Not a big deal, just letting you know what I experienced
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GWG I'll try to figure it out after I get the design right.
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[xavierroy] i think it could be because the note kind and the article kind do not require a metabox. and my default kind is set to note. selecting anything else displays the metabox properly.
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[miklb] interesting
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[xavierroy] and i found a typo 🙂
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[xavierroy] Are you sure you want to clear post propertie?
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GWG [xavierroy]: It is supposed to hide the metabox if it is a note or an article.
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[xavierroy] displayed when I clicked Clear 🙂
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] Yeah. i remember we discussed about it earlier
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GWG I'm not sure the buttons are the best move
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GWG I'm switching it to hiding the other information when you click one of the buttons
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[pfefferle] hey hey
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[pfefferle] ZenPress has now a native Syndication Links implementation, thanks to Ruxton
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[pfefferle] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F993NV2VC/bildschirmfoto_2018-02-12_um_22.03.33.png?pub_secret=cfb8341afb&name=Bildschirmfoto 2018-02-12 um 22.03.33.png
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[mrkrndvs] So as with turning the Microformats plugin off with themes that already have the markup baked in, is there no need for the Syndication Plugin now with ZenPress?
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[pfefferle] you have to install it, but it does not render inside the content, but in a meta area instead
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[xavierroy] is it out for public?
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[pfefferle] the latest master version… note to me: I should start releasing versions and administer a changelog
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[xavierroy] ok. will try it
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[pfefferle] if you wait some more days, I also merge the Post-Kind native support
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[xavierroy] sure
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[mrkrndvs] [colinwalker] pointed out that my 'replies' are p-in-reply rather than u-in-reply. Can someone explain the difference and is this something generated by the Post Kind plugin? Just wondering
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[colinwalker] Well p is usually for name items and u is for url items so if the url you are mentioning doesn’t have the u-in-reply-to class it’s it going to get picked up.
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GWG I love native support
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GWG p isn't a name item
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GWG http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2
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Loqi microformats2
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GWG The in reply to is inherited
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[mrkrndvs] That was not a complaint GWG, apologies if it came across that way. I have lost count how many times I have read throught that microformats site. I won't say I completely get it. Sometimes I think I am a Gen4 playing outside of my league.
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GWG [mrkrndvs]: Wasn't seeing it as a complaint. Was just trying to explain
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Zegnat p means plain-text. So the value of the “in reply to” will be the (slightly altered) DOM textContent of the element you put the class on if you use the p-* prefix.
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Zegnat Most of the time you will be replying to a different post at a different URL, so rather than copying the contents of the entire post into your site and marking it as p-in-reply-to, you make it a link and tell parsers that the URL is what you reply to. You tell parsers about that with the u-* prefix.
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Zegnat I hope that clears it up a little. mf2 prefixes aren’t adressed a lot by the IndieWeb wiki, so perfectly alright to not pick up on them directly :)
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GWG Zegnat: I create a citation and attach p-in-reply-to to that
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[mrkrndvs] So is a citation a 'u' class?
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Zegnat An h-cite? If the h-cite has a u-url property, I would encourage using u-in-reply-to with that, GWG. If there is a u-* class on an element that has an h-* class (nested microformat) it will inherit the u-url value from the nested one.
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GWG I'll have to look at my markup again
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GWG citation is an h- class
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Zegnat [mrkrndvs], nothing is forced to be a u- or p- class. It depends on the type of data you are trying to communicate.
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GWG I'll look at the template for that after I finish that I am up to
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Zegnat For citations and replies, this is more often than not an external resource with its own URL. So a u- class it often best, because it will take its value from things like an A element’s HREF attribute.
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[mrkrndvs] Thank you Zegnat
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Zegnat <a href="https://example.com/" class="p-in-reply-to">Replying to Example</a> - here the value of “in-reply-to” will be “Replying to Example”, not really usefull for most people.
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Zegnat <a href="https://example.com/" class="u-in-reply-to">Replying to Example</a> - here the value of “in-reply-to” will be “https://example.com/”, instantly recognisable for people as an external resource you replied to.
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Zegnat Then there are some inheritance rules (like nesting an h-cite on your in-reply-to), but I think the wiki has some good examples of that and would use u-in-reply-to.
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Zegnat And if ever in doubt: ask! :D I am always more than happy to (try and) explain microformats
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GWG The way I set up Post Kinds, the actual microformat displays are templated, so anyone can include a file in their theme to change them.
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[mrkrndvs] Zegnat I have used 'u' with threaded comments 👍 Now I kind of know why I guess
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GWG I'm working on the Post Kinds UI, but I want to relook at the templates again before I do another release.
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[mrkrndvs] I am testing Post Kinds again at the moment GWG. The new flow is interesting.
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[mrkrndvs] I didn't look at that side of things last night
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[pfefferle] [mrkrndvs] thanks, I replied on GitHub
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GWG [mrkrndvs]: It is still a work in progress
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GWG Hi, [pfefferle]
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GWG [mrkrndvs]: Any feedback on the new flow? I'm still trying new options there. I've already changed the one that is currently in the repo
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GWG I really shouldn't be doing all that in the master branch
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[pfefferle] hey GWG
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[mrkrndvs] GWG I am going to sleep on it as the changes to the workflow are significant, but one thought, could the author / details toggles produce different field rather than stacking them? So if you have clicked details, it shows the details. Then if you click author it closes details and shows author.
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[mrkrndvs] It is still doing something strange to the photo kind too 🤔
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GWG That change is already implemented
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GWG I switched to hiding the others last night
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GWG Still needs work.
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