#wordpress 2018-02-14

2018-02-14 UTC
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] look slike you've fixed this: :-)https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/C08S4KMJN/p1518497819000115
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GWG And just internationalized it.
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[xavierroy] great.. So there is nothing that I can help with for this commit...
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GWG Well, still working on the design.
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[xavierroy] One thing that I would really like is to ensure some settings that I configure stay updated after a plugin upgrade..
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[xavierroy] things that I tweak in code.. I know there is no child plugin functionality in WP
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GWG What are you tweaking?
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[xavierroy] Those hidden options like enabling in Quick Edit, some additional kinds that are hidden by default.
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GWG You know you can do that with a second plugin, right?
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[xavierroy] Oh. Didn't know that.
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GWG The kind settings are filterable.
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[xavierroy] I'm not a programmer 🙂 I know enough to tweaksome settings here and there
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GWG Right now, my focus is the interface.
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[xavierroy] Got that. Anything that you would like to help with that
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GWG Not specifically
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[mrkrndvs] GWG my belated feedback is that I don't think I will know my thoughts about the removal / incorperation of the heading etc until I start using it. My concern is that sometimes with Bookmarks I give a different heading to the link being referenced. I created that workflow, it can be adapted again 🤷‍♂️
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[mrkrndvs] [xavierroy] like the idea of a second plugin to filter 👍
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[xavierroy] [mrkrndvs] what I do is switch the post kind so that the title field is displayed, then give your title and switch back again
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[pfefferle] Good morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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Ruxton [pfefferle]: I just threw another PR to ZenPress which should probably go in alongside post kinds PR, to stop wordpress-micropub auto generating content.
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[xavierroy] I tried out the Amazon Polly WordPress plugin. Here is a post :https://xavierroy.com/2018/01/18/art-of-explaining/
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Loqi [Xavier Roy] Explaining is a difficult art. You can explain something so that your reader understands the words; and you can explain something so that the reader feels it in the marrow of his bones. To do the latter, it sometimes isn’t enough to lay the evidenc...
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[xavierroy] Planning to use this for my marginalia posts. A range of voices makes this an interesting thing to have.
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GWG Interesting
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GWG I was thinking of adding an option to not hide the title. Officially, only articles are supposed to have titles.
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] yeah. But I like using the title field so that I get a cleaner url structure rather than the post id.
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GWG You can set the slug without setting the title
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[mrkrndvs] GWG I like how your 2016 theme only shows the heading when you view the post. I like the creativity associated with the title and I like to use emojis to differentiate the kind or category
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GWG I'm going to see what I can do to address the idea of no explicit title without disabling the ability to set one.
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[mrkrndvs] Sounds like a fair compromise I guess. Again, I am not convinced either way and hold my judgement til after using it
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GWG I try to do what I think is best for my own use while being aware of how other people use it
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GWG Which is why my solution is to usually make something an option if not everyone wants it
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GWG So, the likelihood is the solution is to have a toggle that disables the title hiding.
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] are there plans to split up the views from the kinds plugin so that updates do not affect any custom changes?
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[xavierroy] Maybe they can be included in 2016 theme if not already done
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GWG [xavierroy]: You can put a copy of them into your theme and it will override the one built into the plugin. I set it up that way on purpose.
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GWG If you have a child theme, for example, add a directory under the theme called kind_views and any copy of the view that is in there will override the one in the plugin
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GWG The goal of Post Kinds is to be an extensible framework. So it can be extended by anyone neatly without hacking the files.
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GWG So, each iteration I unbundle more pieces
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GWG For example, in the current version that I'm working on, I'm separating out more pieces into their own functions to help in custom view files.
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GWG The only person I know who does them so far though is miklb
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GWG Turning on Kinds can be done by setting a filter in a second plugin or in a theme
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GWG Etc
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[xavierroy] Great. Will try that approach
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GWG That's why I recommend against editing the plugin itself. Because if it is something you keep doing, you'll have to do it every time I update. Whereas if you do it in the theme or a second plugin, it will persist
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GWG Happy to help in getting anyone set up that way
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GWG There are a lot of changes I continue to make over time, and I may break things for people that way
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GWG I'm preparing for the future, where Gutenberg might make me not want to use the default Post UI
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GWG So I'm looking to making Micropub more compatible so that Post Kinds could just render microformats and not worry too much about the UI. But still working on UI ideas and options.
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GWG But deliberately moving the pieces to be more independent of each other.
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] thanks. How do you set up a second plugin? I searched for setting up child plugins.. didn;t seem to get any meaningful results
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GWG It isn't a child plugin, it's just an independent one
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GWG I can write an example
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[mrkrndvs] GWG do you mean something like this http://www.wpbeginner.com/beginners-guide/what-why-and-how-tos-of-creating-a-site-specific-wordpress-plugin/
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GWG That's the idea, yes.
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GWG I could probably do a gist
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