#wordpress 2018-03-26

2018-03-26 UTC
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[miklb]
GWG do any of the WP plugins use php-mf2 library?
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GWG
[miklb]: Yes.
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GWG
Semantic Linkbacks and Indieweb Post Kinds
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GWG
Why?
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[miklb]
I’ve seen a lot of activity in the repo is all. I didn’t look to see if a new release was done though.
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GWG
I may release something with the updates at some point
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[miklb]
was mostly curious, taking a break from bot building
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[pfefferle]
There is no new version of the mf2 lib... just updates to the master and I am not sure if the actual version is stable...
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[pfefferle]
Good morning
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Loqi
morning!
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GWG
[pfefferle] When it is, we'd all refresh I'd assume
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sknebel
0.4.1 was released 2 weeks ago or so, 0.4.2 will follow soon
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[pfefferle]
Semantic linkbacks uses composer and I check regularly
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GWG
Post Kinds does now as well to keep in sync
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[miklb]
thanks all. That’s good to know. I’ll play closer attention the discussions then.
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[cb]
anybody know how to get micro.blog to send webmentions back to my site? It works if I do it manually on my WP site...
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[colinwalker]
It should work automatically but I’m seeing big delays with m.b webmentions at the moment. Manton has been working on some performance issues so I’ve let him know.
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aaronpk
speaking of, I just got a webmention from micro.blog from a comment from yesterday morning
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[cb]
[colinwalker] [aaronpk] oh! ok cool, thanks! I thought maybe I was missing something. I just noticed I got a webmention from something earlier today, so perhaps the performance is improving
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[colinwalker]
I just got two from about 11 hours ago.
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tantek
are there actionable things in this post http://kimberlyhirsh.com/dear-indieweb/ that we can file as issues on various plugins / themes?
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Loqi
[Kimberly Hirsh] Dear IndieWeb, it may be time to start considering the user, not just the technical spec. by Eli Mellen (eli.li) I’ve been working on a series of walkthrough posts that outline how to IndieWebify a Wordpress site. I presumed the initial setup would...
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chrisaldrich
kimberlyhirsch++ for making some progress on her site over the weekend!
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: jeremycherfas left you a message 3 days, 10 hours ago: Maybe this week you won't be driving? In any case, are you each recording locally and then splicing, or is one of you recording? The former is a little easier for audio level matching, but it isn't hard the other way either.
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Loqi
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chrisaldrich
I think two of her issues are microformat and theme specific. I suspect she's using Bridgy publish, but I thought that /Independent_Publisher did better for that)
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chrisaldrich
Sharing on mobile requires a bit of set up that's relatively well documented. Movement will be better with some of the new mobile (micropub) apps that are on the horizon.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: I missed anything microformats specific
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[stefp]
I’m finding sharing with OwnYourSwarm frustrating.
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chrisaldrich
tantek, it sounds like she was having issues with POSSE from her site to Twitter, et al. and that's usually a microformats issue in the theme being parsed to translate to the target properly.
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chrisaldrich
(presuming that she's using Bridgy Publish plugin)
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chrisaldrich
stefp, what particular part are you finding frustrating with aaronpk's OYS?
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[stefp]
It worked intermittently before but now it has stopped altogether. Micropub is returning errors.
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chrisaldrich
What kind of errors is it throwing?
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tantek
chrisaldrich: this is probably worth investigating: "Posting notes to Facebook and Twitter without weird link previews or my Gravatar popping up" and figuring out how to *stop* a /link-preview from happening
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tantek
that could be a minimal /link-preview#How_to - for specifically how to have none
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tantek
"Sharing on mobile" is a big one for everybody
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[stefp]
Two main ones. I’m getting “array_diff(): Argument #1 is not an array in <b>…plugins/micropub/micropub.php</b> on line <b>252</b><br />”
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[stefp]
and “Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at …plugins/micropub/micropub.php:252) in <b>…plugins/micropub/micropub.php</b> on line <b>1092</b><br />
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[stefp]
{“error”:“invalid_request”,“error_description”:“Invalid Post Status”}
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tantek
what is Sharing on mobile
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Loqi
mobile posting is the act of using a mobile device to post to a site, including and especially replying to or sharing a web page, typically using your own personal indieweb site https://indieweb.org/sharing_on_mobile
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tantek
[stefp] hmm those look like errors with the plugin itself rather than micropub. GWG? snarfed?
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chrisaldrich
stefp, nothing strikes me directly from either of those. If GWG or snarfed don't show up in a few, you can also drop an issue at https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues (preferably) or https://wordpress.org/support/plugin/micropub where they and others will see them to provide help.
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[stefp]
Thanks.
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chrisaldrich
I've seen some quirks in how wordpress handles emoji from instagram with various filters and that causing problems. Do these posts you're having problems with have emoji in their descriptions by chance?
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[stefp]
Sorry was that question for me?
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chrisaldrich
yes, stefp, the emoji question was for you
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[stefp]
No. It’s just the location sharing that’s causing the problems.
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chrisaldrich
stefp, do you also happen to be using the /Simple_Location plugin as well?
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[stefp]
Yes. I have that turned on.
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chrisaldrich
Mention that in your error report as well, just in case.
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[stefp]
Okay.
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[stefp]
Hmmm… just noticed I’m getting errors on Quill too. Trying to figure out if I’ve changed anything else.
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[stefp]
It’s the same errors too.
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[stefp]
Issue posted to Github.
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tantek
stepf++
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Loqi
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tantek
stefp++
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Loqi
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[asuh]
Is micro.blog still useful if I already have the notes capability in my blog? I understand what it’s doing but it seems like WordPress could handle everything micro.blog does and more
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chrisaldrich
asuh, WP can do much more.
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GWG
[asuh]: Micro.blog is a place you can syndicate your content to get community engagement
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Exactly.
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chrisaldrich
The benefit of micro.blog when you bring your own website to it is that it becomes a place to syndicate content and engage with others.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Free all night if you become available.
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[asuh]
so what prevents WordPress to this same community engagement?
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chrisaldrich
It's like syndicating to Twitter, but it provides webmentions for interaction. The community is also much nicer. :)
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[asuh]
*from this
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GWG
[asuh]: Discovery and feed tools, but we'll get there
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[asuh]
hmmm, so micro.blog is emulating a silo?
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chrisaldrich
micro.blog has a built in "feed reader" for reading and interacting.
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chrisaldrich
To some extent it's a gen3/4 friendly pseudo-silo, but it allows you relatively easy import/export if you want to move your data out.
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chrisaldrich
It's paid hosting service is also a simple turnkey indieweb presence for those who don't want to build and maintain their own infrastructure.
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[asuh]
this is all interesting, none of this is clear on the wiki so I couldn’t connect the puzzle pieces of why WordPress users also use micro.blog
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GWG
[asuh]: I syndicate anywhere
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chrisaldrich
I use it to syndicate my content to via RSS so that I can interact with friends I have who are on the platform.
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chrisaldrich
I did test it out a bit a year ago as a primary site (using their paid tier) just to see what it offered and how it works.
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tantek
perhaps an opportunity to expand /micro.blog#Why?
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tantek
GWG, chrisaldrich ^^^
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chrisaldrich
I should go back and test it out again now that it's expanded it's functionality.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: can you stub a new Why section with even just what you wrote above?
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tantek
(right before How to)
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chrisaldrich
tantek, that's been on my to do list for a while because it's been confusing to many (most?) who come across it.
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[asuh]
So GWG what is the Discovery and feed tools that are potentially missing from WordPress that prevents this engagement? Is there any development on this front?
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tantek
[asuh] IMO the short answer is: micro.blog has numerous IndieWeb standards built-in (zero work for users), whereas WordPress requires installing and configuring several plugins to reach the same/similar level of IndieWeb functionality
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tantek
I recommend micro.blog for Gen2-3 users.
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tantek
I would only recommend WordPress to Gen 1-2 users.
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GWG
tantek: We'll get there eventually
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[asuh]
ah, that makes sense. hopefully in time some of that WordPress complexity can be reduced and plugins combined. I agree that the setup time and effort for WordPress is quite a bit high
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tantek
GWG, agreed.
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GWG
I wish there were more people working on the problem
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tantek
[asuh] that's pretty much what is behind the frustration of articles like http://kimberlyhirsh.com/dear-indieweb/ and the one she linked to
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Loqi
[Kimberly Hirsh] Dear IndieWeb, it may be time to start considering the user, not just the technical spec. by Eli Mellen (eli.li) I’ve been working on a series of walkthrough posts that outline how to IndieWebify a Wordpress site. I presumed the initial setup would...
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tantek
GWG, are you able to at least track all the folks reporting problems and capture them as individual GitHub issues?
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GWG
I take notes every time.
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GWG
Kimberly Hirsh found a problem I made a note of to fix
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tantek
best way to attract more people to work on the problem(s) is to start with helping folks feel like they're being listened to (by filing public GitHub issues for each complaint)
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GWG
But I gave her a temporary fix
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GWG
I even gave her the URL, to my recollection
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chrisaldrich
GWG++ for excellent support over the weekend (and in general)
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Loqi
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tantek
GWG, TBH "notes" are insufficient unless you're capturing them somewhere re-shareable/re-discoverable by others e.g. a "how to" or "troubleshooting" on the wiki, or a GitHub issue that allows others to join in
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GWG
tantek: I make my notes in Github Issues
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tantek
or even on your own site / blog as individual "Note to self: ... "
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tantek
GWG++ awesome. Next step is to reply/comment to the folks having issues sharing those URLs so they can track the problem solving progress (and perhaps even contribute!)
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Loqi
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GWG
I do if it is in the channel. I should go back to the posts
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tantek
definitely worth commenting on the posts - not just for the original poster, but for everyone who comes to read it!
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tantek
(which is quite a few because such posts often get tweeted a number of times)
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tantek
plus by commenting on their post (using your own website as the canonical place to post your comment first) you demonstrate using indieweb to improve indieweb (with WordPress in particular in both cases!)
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GWG
I need to post on my latest project. I'm very excited about how close I am to finishing this
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[asuh]
Aside from Github issues, is there a to do list of ideas to move WordPress plugins along? A roadmap or flow of how plugins could make progress?
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GWG
Well, what goal are you trying to achieve?
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[asuh]
I’m not a PHP dev as much as editor but I try to contribute however I can on the front-end by submitting pull requests as I see them
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[asuh]
It would be interesting to see some visuals or plans on how to improve the plugins to make them more usable or consolidate them when it’s possible, like what steps it would take to get there
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GWG
[asuh]: We could use some visual help there
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[asuh]
Yeah, when I see something that can be improved, I’ll do my best to get a PR out asap. That’s how I know I can help. But maybe there are other things I could do, such as update the content for the main Indieweb plugin. It’s text heavy
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GWG
[asuh]: Things like the documentation, the readme, the text...
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GWG
Doesn't even need to be a PR.
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GWG
[asuh]: Even documenting ideas in an issue
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chrisaldrich
asuh, there are a variety of issues spread over the wealth of plugins, but there's also a "mini-roadmap" of sorts here: /WordPress/Development
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chrisaldrich
though that link may need some updating.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Definitely. I don't remember the last time I gardened it
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chrisaldrich
several of us will often also post informal blue sky ideas or comments into the issue queues just so they're documented. I don't think many of us are too "precious" about issues that help to make things better.
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+54) "link to existing tutorial to setup a new WP site if they haven't already"
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GWG
chrisaldrich: The sky is very blue in my issue queue
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+69) "see getting started for domain and web hosting service"
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tantek
minor improvements ^^^ to help folks find their way no matter which "Getting Started" page they land on
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