#wordpress 2018-04-05
2018-04-05 UTC
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[colinwalker] Morning Indieweb.
# [colinwalker] Quick question: is there a way to markup a link in a post so that the webmention plugin doesn’t trigger for that link?
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[pfefferle] [colinwalker] no, not at the moment
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# [colinwalker] [pfefferle] OK thanks. Maybe something like manually adding a “nomention” class to a link could skip it.
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# [colinwalker] It was prompted by mentioning a micro.blog conversation in a post but not wanting the post to show as a reply on micro.blog because of duplication.
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# [pfefferle] If that is the case I would prefer file a bug on micro.blog to support a proper post-type-discovery and/or to file a bug for a better duplication handling…
# [colinwalker] Yes looks like that’s the case. I’ll see what Manton says.
# [pfefferle] [colinwalker] I would love to keep the webmention plugin as simple as possible and to not implement too many special cases
# [pfefferle] the whole topic is complex enough
# [pfefferle] if manton can fix it on his side it would be much more user friendly
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# [colinwalker] Understood. Although I think m.b is doing that by design where mentioning a post or conversation URL is effectively a reply regardless is the class applied to the link. I’ve mentioned it in his Slack. Alternatively, would there be a way for me to hook in to the plugin so I could write my own use case? I’ll have to look at the plugin code but if there’s a function or hook I could easily target that would be good.
# [colinwalker] *regardless of
# [pfefferle] [colinwalker] there is a filter for that https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/includes/class-webmention-sender.php#L154
# [pfefferle] you can hook into the filter and remove all links that have a micro.blog host
# [pfefferle] I am also fine with a blacklist that can be defined in the settings area… where users can add hosts, that should not be pinged…
# [pfefferle] like the “comment blacklist” in the discussions options
# [colinwalker] [pfefferle] Thanks. I’ll have a look.
# [pfefferle] [colinwalker] if you want to implement a real blacklist feature, I would love to see it as part of the core plugin! so, if you are willing to submit a merge request… 😉
# [pfefferle] I have seen it and tried to follow the discussion
# [pfefferle] btw. indents!!!
# [pfefferle] 😉
# [pfefferle] 😄
# [pfefferle] I wait until you merge it and will open a cleanup merge request afterwards 😉
# [pfefferle] GWG++
# [pfefferle] this is really awesome news, because I always wanted to implement it, but never found the time and/or the motivation…
# [pfefferle] which one?
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chrisaldrich !tell colinwalker I'd thought about use cases for nomention a while back too: http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/definition-of-submention/ there was also this comment in relation to Mastodon recently: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/6074#issuecomment-378429901
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] was using inoreader as my reader for my classes. I have a feedly pro account but they dont allow you to share their bundles as an rss feed. Not even sure why I pay still. Of course now dealing with the problem of the double feeds in Inoreader due to some http/https thing in Wordpress. Seems like they blame Wordpress and Wordpress blames them. Have documentation on it but don't have the time. Just made a discussion board
# [jgmac1106] post links each week would love to think about how h-cards could be used by a reader or in a multi-site wordpress to create a teaching an rss environment dashboard
# [jgmac1106] that is for my entry level classes. My only classes are in Slack and use RSS bots for posts and comments,might want to try going headless as well but again would need the dashboard
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# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I built a following page a while ago on WP that outputs OPML and even OPML via category. http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/10/a-following-page/
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# [chrisaldrich] One can plug the OPML for subcategories into Inoreader's OPML subscription set up and then any changes I make to the file after the fact also updates the subscribe list for those following it in inoreader as well. Perhaps this might work better for you for classes?
# [chrisaldrich] This could let you create a quick mini-planet via feed reader for students (and yourself) to follow later on.
# [chrisaldrich] What is a planet?
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Loqi A planet, in the context of the indieweb, and blogs/feeds for even longer, is a site that aggregates feeds/updates from a variety of sources, typically focused on a particular topic or community https://indieweb.org/planet
# chrisaldrich As an example, here's my OPML file for the sub-category IndieWeb that will let you subscribe to a regularly updating feed of IndieWeb folks: http://boffosocko.com/wp-links-opml.php?link_cat=1521
# chrisaldrich For reference, here's the details for Inoreader's OPML subscription functionality: https://blog.inoreader.com/2014/05/opml-subscriptions.html
# chrisaldrich I don't think Feedly supports this type of functionality and I'm not aware of many that do, other than perhaps Dave Winer's "River" Products.
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# chrisaldrich indeed!
# chrisaldrich jgmac1106, I'm not quite sure I follow your h-card reference and what you had in mind there.
# [chrisaldrich] What happened [miklb]?
# [chrisaldrich] I've seen a few of your earlier conversations, but wonder what specifically gets you?
# [chrisaldrich] As you should!
# chrisaldrich @miklb I love your comment about skating to where the puck is. I think you're dead on there.
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[miklb] https://twitter.com/helenhousandi/status/981577203002560513 is what started it.
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@helenhousandi Oh and P.S. I have an unfortunately long memory for usernames, I remember that guy as saying it was "telling" that a WP lead (me) would publish a post on Medium with asking me about it. How would I know what we're allegedly competing with if I never use their tools? 🙃 (twitter.com/_/status/981577203002560513)
# chrisaldrich I see why they're worried about Wix and SquareSpace, but honestly I think that supporting Micropub instead of building Gutenberg would be a far smarter and more flexible position.
# [miklb] that thread starts here https://twitter.com/tevyaw/status/980947342613295104
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@tevyaw @Skarjune @rob_neu @JJJ & @miklb if this were about http://WP.com or Automattic's bottom line, they'd just build it internally, then move on, maybe making it available to the rest of us via JetPack. They'd avoid all the criticism & pushback. They did that with Calypso. (twitter.com/_/status/980947342613295104)
# [miklb] which I got pulled into because of this https://twitter.com/miklb/status/980851462824775681
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@miklb @dimensionmedia @JJJ why? is WordPress dot Org competing with commercial products or is this just an acknowledgement that this is about WP dot Com (twitter.com/_/status/980851462824775681)
# chrisaldrich @miklb, I wouldn't sweat it too much. I can see why she might want to vent, but she also doesn't seem to provide any argument in any other direction.
# chrisaldrich She doesn't address or link to any other arguments other than that she feels "attacked".
# chrisaldrich Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem like you've made an ad-hominem attack, you're just criticizing a product.
# chrisaldrich I suspect you were referencing Amanda's post the other day? https://twitter.com/cswordpress/status/980819040405946368
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@cswordpress Dear the WordPress. You know I love you like family. But I am testing Gutenberg with Jaws right now and we really need to have an honest discussion about where this is going, including discussions from the other concerned developers. (twitter.com/_/status/980819040405946368)
# chrisaldrich I've heard the Wix/Squarespace competition argument a hundred or more times in the last 6 months from various folks.
# chrisaldrich But when I look at internet usage numbers, WP is at 30% and growing and the other two combined make up 1.5%?
# chrisaldrich Naturally WP could improve their UI and make it more user friendly, but any platform should strive to do that.
# chrisaldrich Are the more "local" numbers in terms of direct competition scaring Automattic? (ie, when you leave out the 25% of legacy/generally unmaintained/inactive sites)
# chrisaldrich Even if this is the case I really don't get what Gutenberg is going to do to make things that much better, particularly for a platform with so much legacy support?
# chrisaldrich If they're going to make such a big break, why not start over from scratch and refactor WP 2.0 based on their years of experience?
# chrisaldrich If they truly wanted to worry, they should be scared that SquareSpace builds a first class feed reader and builds in Webmentions. That would eat WP's lunch for the coming year...
# chrisaldrich I suspect Automattic's bigger worry is their tremendous server farm infrastructure which can't be inexpensive to own/maintain. It's also a problem that the others have to struggle to build for themselves too.
# chrisaldrich @miklb, well, try to let her ad hominem/subtweet atttack go... there's better things you can do with your emotional energy to make the world a better place.
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# chrisaldrich as a total, I'm not sure, but offhand, I suspect that platforms like Shopify have a bigger piece of that pie.
# chrisaldrich WP/Automattic's bigger issue is that they're trying to be all things to all people in some sense.
# chrisaldrich Perhpas reminiscent to the tweetstorm yesterday about Ghost moving away from Slack... some things are easy when you're small, but it's hard managing things when you've got much larger scale.
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@JohnONolan After 4 years of running a (11,000 member) public Slack community for @TryGhost — today we’ve decided to shut the whole thing down for good. I’ve got a few interesting observations to share from the experience, and what we’re moving to now instead. And so beginneth the thread: (twitter.com/_/status/980872508395188224)
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# [colinwalker] !tell chrisaldrich Thanks for that.
# Loqi [colinwalker]: chrisaldrich left you a message 4 hours ago: I'd thought about use cases for nomention a while back too: http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/definition-of-submention/ there was also this comment in relation to Mastodon recently: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/6074#issuecomment-378429901
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