#wordpress 2018-04-20

2018-04-20 UTC
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chrisaldrich It gets even more curious....
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GWG chrisaldrich: Is there a white rabbit around?
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GWG What is curious?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "curious" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "curious is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich GWG, maybe I've found the mismatch... I had been using 'property' => 'follow-of' and your version had 'property' => 'follow'
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chrisaldrich thought it seems like switching back to the 'follow-of' doesn't seem to fix the issue
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GWG chrisaldrich: Should it be follow or follow-of?
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GWG It looks like follow-of is standard, so I probably should change it. I usually look at properties if I enable something
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chrisaldrich I was going with the convention of most of the others as x-of... it doesn't matter much to me
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chrisaldrich would that change of property cause it not to find the correct data field?
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chrisaldrich It looks like one I tried to fix has an mf2_follow_of and an mf2_follow meta field
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GWG I like to follow conventions. You'd have to change the property in both places
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GWG The one in the taxonomy file tells the system where to look for the info
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chrisaldrich Oddly, for the one I just tried fixing, it seemed to work and save everything, but when I come back and reload a few minutes later, it doesn't display properly and all the response properties boxes are empty again.
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GWG But, if I recall, xxx-of is where it is moving to.
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GWG For example, like used to be a like, but that is like-of and like is when you mark up like as a comment.
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chrisaldrich so what should I have them set to so that they save in the correct place and find them in the correct place?
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chrisaldrich Does that template in the gist above look correct too? Or is there a mis-match there that's screwing up the display?
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GWG Change the property in the taxonomy class, and then change it in the file.
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chrisaldrich "in the file"? which one the view?
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GWG excuse me, in the post meta
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chrisaldrich while we're at it, I also assigned 'format' => 'link' for follow in the taxonomy as that seemed the most natural, though I suspect that doesn't change much except the initial setting for Post Formats when it posts.
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chrisaldrich so if it's follow-of as property in taxonomy, it should be mf2_follow-of in post meta?
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GWG Correct
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GWG Going to change it though, even though I'm not going to activate it yet
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chrisaldrich whatever you do set is likely to be the version that thousands end up using... :)
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GWG chrisaldrich: follow-of seems to be what multiple people are using
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GWG chrisaldrich: Did you realize pfefferle distributed the update I made to Semantic Linkbacks that supports listen-of and watch-of...
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GWG Has anyone listened to your podcast?
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2018/04/16/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-1-leaving-facebook/
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GWG I have one
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chrisaldrich I haven't looked, but I don't think so. Congrats on being first!
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chrisaldrich I suspect JeremyCherfas is going to love it for EatThisPodcast
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for watches and listens!
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Loqi gwg has 52 karma in this channel (329 overall)
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chrisaldrich Now we'll just have to do the same for read-of....
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chrisaldrich mmmrffff... so changing the property back to follow-of doesn't seem to fix the issue.
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GWG chrisaldrich: Any new ideas in that vein?
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chrisaldrich I suspect I may have to go back and fix the 10 or so posts by hand...
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chrisaldrich Wait, looks like most have suddenly self-fixed. Hooray!
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chrisaldrich One thing I have noticed today is that Jams display as "Listened to XYZ" while Listens just say "Listened XYZ", so you might add that "to" into the verb part of the taxonomy
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, you did add an icon for acquired, correct?
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GWG Yes
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GWG Acquisition
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chrisaldrich yes, that
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chrisaldrich I'll have to look at what's going onthere as I'm not seeing an icon for it...
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GWG I thought I added one
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GWG It is hands
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chrisaldrich I saw the data for it in the repo
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chrisaldrich maybe I need to tweak the view for it
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chrisaldrich Or perhaps its missing or borked somehow? I'm not seeing it at /wp-admin/admin.php?page=kind_options in the settings either.
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chrisaldrich Here's a gist for the acquisition view if you want to cut/paste for the future: https://gist.github.com/chrisaldrich/07b365cd387391788ae6db97a26d23b1
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GWG Even enabled?
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chrisaldrich yes, even enabled....
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chrisaldrich I also tried variations of icon, text, icon with text, etc. in the settings and no dice.
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chrisaldrich does it show up for you? perhaps it's something I've copied over wrong from when I initially set it up.
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chrisaldrich Good job on the change for archive views of multi-kinds a-la /kind/eat,drink/
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GWG It did in testing.
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GWG WordPress doesn't support it
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chrisaldrich dirty rats...
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GWG I linked to the Trac Ticket
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GWG What do you want to do with follow?
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chrisaldrich having used it a bit now, I've got a couple of wishes.... though they may be better sussed out once microsub comes of age.
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GWG Well, I am trying to get a few things hooked together
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chrisaldrich I'd be nice to be able to have microsub see (or parse) follow posts to update that way.
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GWG I want to start on Syndic.
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chrisaldrich Hopefully I'll get some time to dig into the microsub world shortly to see how that's working.
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GWG It looks promising
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chrisaldrich Another thing I though could be useful in that arena is to delve back into the now-defunct Links functionality that used to be in core and update that for an IndieWeb world.
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GWG chrisaldrich: That is promising
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chrisaldrich It would be cool to have a javascript bookmarklet to click on when on someone's page and have it parse the page and add it to my following page http://boffosocko.com/about/following/
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chrisaldrich but i'm not sure if it's worth maintaining the two parallel methods. probably better to do one or the other.
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GWG Syndic is my name for the POSSE stuff I want to do
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chrisaldrich Though I do like the idea of providing OPML files by category for folks to more easily subscribe to lots of things at once.
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chrisaldrich Though again, the WP links functionality and OPML is so old that the OPML parts may be pre-version 1 based on the spec.
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GWG I haven't looked at that code.
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chrisaldrich tweaking it to OPML v2 shouldn't be too hard.
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chrisaldrich Oddly they "took it out of core", yet I think the code is still in core since there's one line of php that will re-enable the whole thing.
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GWG I would have to read it
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[jgmac1106] @gwg nice job on the podcast. What is the workflow? Did you use a plug-in for that?
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GWG Deliberately no. Trying to build one with the podcast
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GWG So, I am using the podcast as a way to build that support
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GWG On my other podcast project, I use a popular WordPress podcast plugin
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GWG Why do I find myself in the position of arguing for WordPress pingback backcompat?
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aaronpk GWG any ideas on this? https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/issues/62#issuecomment-382972525
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Loqi [vishae] The verification went through for me, so thank you for fixing that. I hope you don't mind me asking one more question. I'm not very tech savvy compared to others who are setting up their own blogs and to be honest I'm following a lot of the tutorial...
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aaronpk old micropub plugin?
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[matthilt] I don't know if it helps or hurts, but I had a similar issue yesterday during the day, but was able to complete setup last night and get my IG imported. However it did not continue importing new IGs, so I have to look into that later.
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aaronpk it'll put you on a polling tier based on some criteria, did you check what it says about that on the dashboard?
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aaronpk should tell you the next time it will check your instagram account
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[matthilt] [aaronpk] I'm an idiot. It checked 11 hours ago and will check again in 12 hours. I check IG I posted 10 hours ago. Ugh, sorry.
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aaronpk cool. i guess i need to do some tweaking on that cause when you're actively engaged with it like that it shouldn't make you wait that long
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[matthilt] I'm not a big IGer. 24 hours isn't a problem for me.
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aaronpk the more you post the more often it'll check :)
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[matthilt] Cool, thanks for doing all this for us. I'm new to the IndieWeb and POSSE. So I appreciate your time.
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GWG I would need more information
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GWG I should have thought about the Indieauth reauthorization thing
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GWG We need more debugging tools
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GWG I built one into Micropub and Indieauth though
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[ciudadanob] Thanks Chris! I’ll totally link that from the post of the talk and I’ll read the posts carefully next week so I keep improving my indie site 🙂
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GWG aaronpk, you asked me not to call my POSSE plugin Switchboard. Do you object to Syndic?
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aaronpk I don't think it's a particularly great name, but I don't object to it
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GWG aaronpk, I need something to name the repository
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GWG I can always change it.
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GWG I considered naming it after Emma Mills Nutt, but no one but me would get the reference
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GWG And the definition of syndic is technically adequate
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GWG representative or delegate of a university, institution or other corporation, entrusted with special functions or powers.
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GWG I hate naming things
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GWG That's why my rel syndication plugin is called Syndication Links
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GWG Maybe I should build it into Syndication Links. Rather than a new thing.
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GWG I could just rename it Syndication
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[miklb] I almost suggested that GWG since you kind a need one for the other.
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GWG Almost?
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[miklb] yeah, I don’t remember why I didn’t bring it up at the time we were discussing it.
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GWG I don't want another separate plugin to maintain anyway
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[miklb] makes sense
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[chrisaldrich] FewerIndieWebPlugins++
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Loqi fewerindiewebplugins has 1 karma
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GWG You forget rel me was originally in Syndication Links, moved to the Indieweb plugin, and immediately people wanted it out of there.
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tantek huh? they did ? who did? I thought the demand was the opposite, for IndieWeb plugin to do *something* basic at least, and rel=me / IndieAuth enabling your site seemed to make the most sense for someong getting started
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GWG tantek, not all people
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GWG People as in more than one person
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GWG Plenty like it where it is
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GWG tantek, https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/issues/74
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Loqi [miklb] #74 Proposal: Release 2.0 Strictly as an installer
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GWG With a built-in Indieauth option, people might not care as much about rel me
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GWG Which is something to contemplate
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chrisaldrich I've been noticing some webmentions in WP go, not to spam or even approved, but directly to my Trash... has anyone else seen this?
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chrisaldrich I saw two last week some time, and another 4 today.
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[miklb] I get that but it’s because I haven’t cleaned up my blacklist for comments (I think) just for replies though, likes/reposts get approved from the auto-approve function I have.