#wordpress 2018-05-10

2018-05-10 UTC
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[jgmac1106] @gwg [chrisaldrich]why do you think so many people install the indieweb plug-in and set up their profile but still go and add rel=me in their header?
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GWG Knowledge?
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[jgmac1106] yeah, think so to, when you go down the wiki rabbit hole you find so much without even googling rel=me In all the interviews (only two) they both mention reading about that on people's blogs or the wki and figuring they should do it
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[jgmac1106] just had the thought as I try to draw a visual represntation of the plug ins and someones wordpress site
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[miklb] GWG I’m curious why you feel like you have to find additional enhancements for the plugin(s) before doing a release.
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[miklb] unless I misunderstood what you meant by “need to make more”
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GWG [miklb]: Which plugin?
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[miklb] “I need to make some more enhancements to it
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[miklb] [chrisaldrich]: Any suggestions on what to do while I’m in the code?”
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GWG I don't plan on coming back for a bit?
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GWG I'm in the zone?
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[miklb] ok. Just don’t think you should feel the need to find new features. If you had a list of requests you were working through, or itches, that’s one thing. But feeling like you need to create new features for the sake of it before releasing the work you’ve done doesn’t make as much sense to me.
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[miklb] take a breather, let any bugs settle. Stable is good 🙂
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GWG I've wanted this one. Edit a mention
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[miklb] that’s totally different. And I don’t mean to try and tell you how to develop your plugins. I’m just saying as a user, and someone appreciative of your time, don’t feel like you need to add stuff just for the sake of adding something new.
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[miklb] so maybe I misunderstand you.
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[miklb] misundertood
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[miklb] I know I’m tired, but a typo in my attempt to fix a typo. Time to call it.
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[jgmac1106] https://photos.app.goo.gl/An2azxYUp5GsTOyv1
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[jgmac1106] Just a rough draft but trying to draw an image "Dissecting IndieWeb WordPress"
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GWG I just made Semantic Linkbacks data editable
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chrisaldrich GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 59 karma in this channel (347 overall)
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GWG I am wondering what people will think of the fact I bundled an avatar image
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chrisaldrich i.e. a default image if one doesn't exist?
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GWG Yes
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GWG WordPress runs even those through gravatar.
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jhsheridan Hi everyone. I've finally decidied to dedcicate the time to setup my indieweb site, and I'm using wordpress as a platform since it's familiar to me. Is this an appropriate place to bounce some issues I'm having off some folks?
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GWG Yes
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GWG We're here to help, if sporadically
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GWG If one of us isn't here, we will be eventually
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GWG I am usually available at night local time as I am running around during the day, but others have different schedules
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jhsheridan Great... thanks for the information. I'll just post my questions here and expect some delay on answers.
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jhsheridan So... some of my issues so far aren't really Wordpress specific, but some in the main channel suggested posting in here since it could get lost in the general chit chat of the other room
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jhsheridan Currently, I'm just making my way through the indiewebify.me site as a starting point.
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jhsheridan The first issue I'm having is on step 2 of the indiewebify my site "Set up Web Sign In". When I test the site, it says that it finds the rel=me urls, but only github is linking back. Facebook and twitter are not linking back. I do have my url in the info on these websites. Is there maybe a specific place it needs to go?
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jeremycherfas My recollection is that Twitter is not useful for authorisation, but I cannot be certain.
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jeremycherfas I don't use facebook for that.
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jhsheridan I see
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jhsheridan Well github is linking back. Is that enough verification of my ID for practical purposes?
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aaronpk yeah you only need one. try logging in to the wiki at https://indieweb.org if you want to test it for real
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jhsheridan ok great... I was able to get signed in
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jhsheridan thanks
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jhsheridan So... like many other blog style sites, my site will have pages of posts (on the home page), and then the single posts pages for when you click into them. Do I mark up (with h-entry) the pages of posts with excepts the same way I mark up the single posts?
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jhsheridan Or do those not get h-entry?
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sknebel lists of posts are h-feed with h-entrys in them
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jhsheridan ah... that makes sense. Thank you.
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jhsheridan I'm now onto webmention testing. Does the "send webmention" button on the indiewebify.me site work? It just goes to a blank page when I click it with my site. Is there anotehr way to test it if so?
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jeremycherfas Try Telegraph https://telegraph.p3k.io/login?return_to=/dashboard
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jeremycherfas That is usually better.
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jeremycherfas And it gives you another test for your rel=me :)
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jhsheridan Oh nice
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jhsheridan So is this a replacement for the Webmentions indieweb plugin?
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jeremycherfas Nota replacement, an alternative. I don't use the WP plugin. And my main site is not WP. So I'm afraid I cannot be very helpful. Just a once over lightly.
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jhsheridan I understand. Thanks for your help.
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jeremycherfas Not at all. Where is your site?
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jhsheridan jhsheridan.com
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jhsheridan as you'll see it's WIP
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jeremycherfas WIP?
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jhsheridan work in progress
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jeremycherfas Ah. Ready to receive a webmention yet?
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jhsheridan Well I'm not positive yet... haha
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jeremycherfas OMG, you're in Lisbon. We keep talking about going back,. Wonderful city for a holiday.
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jhsheridan but if you would send one, that would help me greatly
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jhsheridan I'm bout to be there on Monday
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jeremycherfas Stand by ...
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jeremycherfas Gotta go now. Have fun.
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jhsheridan I see it. Thank you!
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[jgmac1106] Hey <!channel> take a look at the rough draft of the visual I made and let me know if I made any technical mistakes
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[jgmac1106] Get a lot of requests for a diagram or info graphic explaining it all
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[jgmac1106] Maybe if I have time one day I will use a div border and turn the image into a web page so [kevinmarks] doesn't key my car
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] LOL! "key my car, indeed!"
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jhsheridan Does anyone have experience integrating the post kinds plugin into custom themes?
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jhsheridan I know tons about custom theming, but I'm having some trouble understanding the template hierarchy as it relates to post kinds
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GWG I wrote the post kinds plugin, you just need a kind_views directory in your theme and it will override the templates in the views folder of the plugin
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jhsheridan oh awesome
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jhsheridan best possible answer
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GWG I designed it to be themeable
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GWG I knew the simple generic templates wouldn't always work for everyone
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GWG Also, you can remove the content filter and call the function to get the template directly
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GWG It is based on get_template_part
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GWG Although if you come up with a nice presentation, PRs are always appreciated
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jhsheridan so the stuff in the views folder in the plugin, which I'm overwriting, is the content for the_content()
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jhsheridan ?
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GWG It is added to the content, but sometimes it is the only content
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GWG It is what says, Bookmarked, URL, author, and so on
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jhsheridan I see
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GWG https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/07/reply-to-second-try-at-language/
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GWG For example, in this post, only the replied to part at the top is the viee
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jhsheridan so the bottom part is the_content()
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jhsheridan and the part above it is addded by the template in the plugin/views folder
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GWG Yes
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GWG Exactly
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GWG It provides the context
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jhsheridan I understand.
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GWG But I am not sure how that will play out in a Gutenberg world
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jhsheridan I am writing a theme from scratch
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GWG Will it support Microformats 2?
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jhsheridan that's the plan
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GWG Great
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jhsheridan I'm very good with wordpress, but I'm new to indieweb, and it's a little hard to wrangle all the info
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jhsheridan I think it may be easier for me to intercept the template at a higher level
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jhsheridan because I'd like to have granualar control over the html output
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jhsheridan for design reasons
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GWG jhsherid, if you have a theme that supports mf2, Post Kinds, webmentions, Syndication Links and Simple Location I'd be thrilled
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jhsheridan that's what I'm working towards, but there's really a lot to wrap your head around
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GWG Read one of the kind templates in the view directory, it is pretty simple
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jhsheridan and the documentation isn't so great in a lot of places
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GWG Tell me if I can help
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jhsheridan thanks so much
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/90
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Loqi [dshanske] #90 Add Instructions and Guidance to the README re Theme Support
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GWG I think I should get around to closing this issue
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GWG But we are always happy to help as a community
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GWG Where do you hail from?
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jhsheridan I think possibly I can contribute to the docs as I'm figuring things out
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GWG And what is your URL?
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jhsheridan I'm from South Carolina, USA, but I live all over. About to be in Portugal
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jhsheridan url is jhsheridan.com
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jhsheridan as you'll see it's just test posting
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jhsheridan but I got webmentions and stuff working already
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GWG So, same timezone. I am usually available in the evening if you need help
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GWG Or leave a message
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GWG I read up
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[kimberlyhirsh] I'm learning theming explicitly to create a theme with all of those IndieWeb pieces. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with, [jhsheridan]!
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