#wordpress 2018-06-07

2018-06-07 UTC
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jgmac1106 huzzah…now I remember I have to do find and replcae twice the first time turns all https into httpss and then I search for httpss and replace with https
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chrisaldrich Loqi caught it natively in other rooms, but for those using Post Kinds in WordPress: https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/manually-adding-a-new-post-kind-to-the-post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/
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[xavierroy] sorry, I meant dash-icons
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GWG It doesn't. I checked, it uses images from the media library
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] Then I must be doing something wrong
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jgmac1106 !tell [chrisaldrich] great post. I can’t wait to play. Do you know where to change the veiws on the archoive page. not individual post-kinds?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Or you are using a different plugin then I referenced
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GWG My theme doesn't display the images, but that I can address
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GWG It's easier than building that support myself
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[xavierroy] I tried making it display.. it seemed to work
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[xavierroy] but i found that sometimes the right image was not picked up for the featured image. I was testing it out on my watch posts
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jgmac1106 [xavierroy] I have a spreadhseet where I have been experimeneting with [gwg] theme to understand what happens with each kind of post type and when you put a title, when you don,t when you use a featured image, and when you dont
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jgmac1106 when you put an image in the body and when you don’t. Not for [gwg] to change anything but just for me to understand what happens to the mf2 and how it displays on Twitter (using Bridgy) and on the archive page
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GWG I do admit that I sometimes make mistakes myself
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GWG I like being able to do fixes when I find out I did
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jgmac1106 [gwg] it is also user training what kind of post kinds do not get titles when should you not use featured images, etc
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jgmac1106 the moving of the title below the body is a good visual indicator but folks still need to learn
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GWG I have some ideas
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GWG In chrisaldrich's post, he shows the array of strings used for a kind
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GWG I might add a title property
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GWG I set up that array based on how taxonomies and post types use an array of strings and properties
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[xavierroy] Wild thought: why not make an UI for post kinds so that users can add their preferred post kinds...? Adding a chicken post kind would be a matter of selecting some options
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[xavierroy] This plugin seems to be useful to theme and plugin guinea pigs 🙂 https://github.com/afragen/github-updater
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Loqi [afragen] github-updater: This WP plugin will update GitHub, Bitbucket, GitLab, and Gitea hosted plugins and themes
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petermolnar ultimate git POSSE plugin?
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[jgmac1106] @gwg yes a p-name to titleless post, not sure if semantically correct, may help with Bridgy syndication. Meant to play with that
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petermolnar ah, I misunderstood that plugin, I thought it syncs repositories across git providers... /me walks away quietly
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[xavierroy] ha ha. I wanted to see if I can host a theme on github and have it pulled to my site. Chances of breaking stuff is high.. but then that's what we indiewebbers do...
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aaronpk OwnYourGram got this response from your site [davidmead] "Using $this when not in object context in ... wp-content/plugins/indieauth/includes/class-indieauth-authenticate.php on line 29"
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aaronpk and that does not look like the latest version in github so I wonder what version you're using
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] going to use your post kind post to see if I can make a credential post-kind
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GWG aaronpk, I think I may have fixed that one. I know pfefferle and I are going back and forth on settings pages enhancements to several plugins as a way of clarifying documentation
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GWG We probably should push what we have
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aaronpk if there's that bad of a bug in the current published version then yes absolutely
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GWG I always wonder why I can never reproduce these things in testing and how I can
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GWG snarfed would probably say that I should write better tests
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GWG Maybe I just need a broader set of beta testers
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[jgmac1106] @gwg I think you also need to work with folks like me and [chrisaldrich] so the documentation updates same time as plugins. We also need to test how any indieweb plugin affects any other indieweb plugin before push (unless critical bug)
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tantek__ jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 4 karma in this channel (16 overall)
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GWG Well, with the Indieauth plugin, the fallback is to disable it and use the built-in Indieauth in Micropub
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GWG That requires an external endpoint
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GWG The Indieauth code in Micropub bypasses the WordPress login system completely. The code in IndieAuth integrates with it
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GWG Integration is the better move...but not if it doesn't work for you
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[jgmac1106] If I can get teaching done going to reinstall a Clone of my site and :crossed_fingers: micropub works
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[miklb] fwiw, my experience with Indieauth/micropub outside of Quill is the same. Meaning with latest master of both still can’t post w/Omnibear. I suspect the Indigenous issues aren’t releated.
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JHSheridan Hi all... I'm looking for a little help implementing post kinds correctly on my wordpress website
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JHSheridan I'm just looking to implement notes, articles and photos first
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jgmac1106 [JHSheridan] do you have a link to yoru blog?
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JHSheridan well I've got JHSheridan.com up currently
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JHSheridan but I'm developing locally at the moment
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jgmac1106 are you using an indieweb theme (not a right or worng answer)
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JHSheridan No... I'm taking a shot at developing my own, which is probably why I'm having a little trouble
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jgmac1106 that is okay
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jgmac1106 are you using the incroformats plugin or doing that yourself?
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jgmac1106 that is better we need more themes and theme developers
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jgmac1106 microformats,
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jgmac1106 there is indiewebify.me for testing
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jgmac1106 the first thing to do is make sure you have an h-card on the homepage, the indiweb plug oin will turn profile page into rel=me link and include an h-card widget
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JHSheridan I do not currently have microformats installed
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JHSheridan the plugin I mean
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jgmac1106 okay, then do you have post kinds installed as well
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jgmac1106 I started this but I don’t know how accurate it is: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/theme-developer-guide
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JHSheridan I'm using the Author h-card widget for h-card
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jgmac1106 I need to change step 4 as [gwg] did an awesome job of explaing how post kinds work in the last podcast
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JHSheridan I do have post kinds installed
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JHSheridan ok post kinds is where I'm most confused... where can I find this podcast?
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jgmac1106 https://david.shanske.com/
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JHSheridan awesome... I will give that a listen
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jgmac1106 if you have post kinds installed do one of each post and run it through indiewebify.me or just look at your source code and compare to each post kind of the wiki
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jgmac1106 do you have webmentions and semantic linkbacks installed as well?
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JHSheridan This is not a complaint, and I'm sure this is already well known, but as someone who knows their way around wordpress pretty well and is trying to dev a theme for indieweb, the lack of documentation makes everything incredibly confusing
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JHSheridan so I'm going to try to document some of this as I encounter it
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jgmac1106 I know I am trying to help, for the last 5-10 years been a handful of people just building the plumbing, plumbers aren’t always the best at writing instructions
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JHSheridan I totally understand... not a critisism
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jgmac1106 i don’t have theme development skills but I am lloking for any theme developers I can work with to document the journey and the pain points
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JHSheridan This community is one of the most friendly ones I've encountered
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jgmac1106 i did take my first theme and get it close, but it was a one pager so it was easier
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JHSheridan I can definitely help with that. I think sometimes it's hard to remember the pain points you had while learning after you learned it
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jgmac1106 I agree [jHSheridan]
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JHSheridan check out https://www.jhsheridan.com/2018/05/10/testing-twitter/
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Loqi [JHSheridan] Testing Twitter + bridgy for new JHSheridan.com Pecan Acres, South Carolina, United States of America Also on:
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jgmac1106 if you find [gwg] repo you can follow how we forked 2106, he also has a version of the sandbox theme _s autopmatic uses
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jgmac1106 HCard works of Loqi reads it
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JHSheridan I got the twitter stuff coming back to my site
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JHSheridan thru bridgy
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jgmac1106 Awesome, and how you do the mark up for each of your post kinds will determine how Twitter displays it from Bridgy, and folks are coming back in as webmentions, two things tested
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JHSheridan so last time I was in here asking questions
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JHSheridan I think what I was told was the best way to manage the output was to copy the post kind tempaltes from the plugin folder into my theme
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JHSheridan does that sound right?
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jgmac1106 yes but [gwg] can provide better guidance, you might even figure from the podcast
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JHSheridan ok I am going to give that podcast a listen before I bother you guys anymore
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JHSheridan plus the coworking space is closing... haha
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JHSheridan But thank you for the help. I'm sure I will be back for more, and I plan to be involved in helping others thru documenting some of my problems
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jgmac1106 looking at your note post on Twitter, you are missing an h-card nested in your n-entry,
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jgmac1106 you added a title and that got a p-name, but many say not to include a title on a note kind, even thoguh wordpress ain’t gonna like it
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JHSheridan ok good to know... thank you
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JHSheridan yeah I was wondering about that
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JHSheridan since notes kinda = tweets, how do we reconcile that
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jgmac1106 but the mf2 plug in on the note looks good
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jgmac1106 yoru call, I just don’t include a title
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JHSheridan Maybe I'll include a title in WP, but just not display it on the front-end
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jgmac1106 https://jgregorymcverry.com/kind/note/
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jgmac1106 be awesome if you could figure that out [JHSheridan] but you also have to make sure Bridgy wouldn’t parse title to Twitter, thugh it usually seems to do 280=title+(body-title)
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JHSheridan ah... good to know
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jgmac1106 well I have to go and lanuch a moduel in my online class. I am trying to learn microformats and css grid at same time, naturally screwing up both
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JHSheridan thank you for the help
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JHSheridan I'll probably be in here again soon
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jgmac1106 no problem if I get done I am going to try the same thing you are doing with a theme that sas it is microformats ready (which could mean mf1 or mf2) but I coach baseball tonight and the day is moving too quick
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JHSheridan let me know... would love to have someone to work together with
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jgmac1106 if you can be the mentor and I the mentee, I know [cathieleblanc] and a few others who just joined want to make some mroe indieweb themes as well
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[cjwillcock] are there some indieauth supporting themes available now? for reference
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[cjwillcock] urk --- indieweb
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jgmac1106 yes three,
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jgmac1106 one sec
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress scroll to WordPress box at bottom
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JHSheridan I'm not sure if I'm a qualified mentor... probably more of a mentee, but willing to help however I can
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jgmac1106 ignore most other content, very dated, we are in the process of trying to split the pages one for theme developers, and one for users
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[cjwillcock] super jgmac1106++
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[cjwillcock] oh, does that not work lol
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[cjwillcock] I may be able to help out with WP theming
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[cjwillcock] jgmac1106++
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jgmac1106 [cjwillcock] and [JHsheridan] encourage you to make a personal page on the wiki. from there you can dd sub pages to document learning, even if you are just adding to links you write on your site, then we can mass em all together and try for real theme developers guide
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jgmac1106 thx for the karma, makes me warm and fuzzy, it actually is good motivator
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[cjwillcock] I'll do that - thanks for the pointer! and you're most welcome
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/theme-developer-guide and [cjwillcock] looking at the change logs from [gwg] 2016 fork is super helpful, one request, make them pretty so many people won’t indieweb bc the plugins don’t work on their pretty themes
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jgmac1106 but pretty and semantically perfect is a tension as old as the web
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jgmac1106 okay gotta to go, shutting down chat
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JHSheridan jgmac1106++
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[jgmac1106] Thx incoming-webhook we are becoming friends. Just trying to model how the built in feedback loop the community uses works
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[chrisaldrich] Any messages Loqi?
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[chrisaldrich] I see you holding out on me...
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] importance of indieweb documentation reason I suspended my Drupal experiment
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] If I understand https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2018-06-07#t1528371422485800 properly, you're asking how you could create individual views for the archive version of Post Kinds? Perhaps similar to how I've created a custom archive page for my podcast category here: http://boffosocko.com/category/podcast/
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Loqi [jgmac1106] !tell [chrisaldrich] great post. I can’t wait to play. Do you know where to change the veiws on the archoive page. not individual post-kinds?
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[chrisaldrich] If that's the case, I had just started wondering last night about asking GWG what one would need to name a PHP file so that one could define a custom Kind page within the archives (presuming it's possible).
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[jgmac1106] Yes that. Trying to help @cathieleblanc who is trying to build a grid view of thumbnails for photo post kind
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[jgmac1106] By help Cathie I mean ask you
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[jgmac1106] What she is going is using a different instance with a different theme for each post kind to get the views she wants
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[chrisaldrich] given the taxonomy, you could probably puzzle it out from some documentation here: https://developer.wordpress.org/themes/template-files-section/taxonomy-templates/
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[jgmac1106] Perfect. This it
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[chrisaldrich] I can see some general problems with doing that, primarily in the case that she wants to syndicate out to places like twitter and get responses back.
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[jgmac1106] Yes, yeah we spent an hour under the hood.
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[chrisaldrich] If she's all in on indieweb and not worried about backfeed from other silos, then it could be a simple solution.
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[jgmac1106] She is going to build it as a mental model to what her "one" theme should look like and then work to build it
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[jgmac1106] Cathieleblanc.com
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[chrisaldrich] !tell JHSheridan for some Post Kinds Plugin and theming help take a peek at https://boffosocko.com/2017/08/11/post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/ and https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/manually-adding-a-new-post-kind-to-the-post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/ in addition to the most recent podcast episode that [jgmac1106] mentioned.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] But we were reviewing the basics of hcard, hentry, and what renders how, whatever theme she uses for photos won't even take the post kind plugin
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[jgmac1106] Yeah we picked up a few theme developers this week. Hopefully they continue as active members
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[chrisaldrich] we should continue to document some of the details for helping them out though... I think I've seen at least three that I can recall.
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[chrisaldrich] themers++
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Loqi yea!
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[jgmac1106] Yeah, need to split WordPress Getting Started page in two. I took a stab and started a theme page of my user page, early early uneducated draft
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[chrisaldrich] I've been pecking away at an indieweb-friendly version of the twenty-twelve theme recently...
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[jgmac1106] Will try to outline regular user getting started guide, and going to try one theme that says it's microformats ready
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[jgmac1106] Maybe that is place to start, search WP.org themes for "microformats" install plugins, if all is well add it to approved theme page
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] been collecting theme related posts here as I see them http://bookmarks.jgregorymcverry.com/tag/WordPressTheme
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[jgmac1106] The podcasts help a lot a roundtable with Mike, David, and Mathias each explaining their theme would be awesone
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