#wordpress 2018-06-15
2018-06-15 UTC
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@megarush1024 Current status: Giving some attention to adding microformats 2 support to #GenesisWP child themes via a plugin so I can let you fine folks handle design while I more fully implement #indieweb principles on http://customerservant.com and thereby @cswordpress. (twitter.com/_/status/1007412547555938304)
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[davidmead] then pfefferle++
# [davidmead] pfefferle++
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jackjamieson Hi GWG, Sorry I actually logged in by mistake (left IRC open when I closed my laptop). I've got to run, but thanks for your advice re: phpunit etc. and the post kinds plugin. I'd like to talk another time if there's anything I can help with
# jackjamieson I'll message you next time I'm online - I should be around tomorrow. Thanks!
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[mrkrndvs] Ummmm, something has happened to my post kinds plugin, it is not showing any of the information https://collect.readwriterespond.com/the-story-of-my-domain/
# [mrkrndvs] [chrisaldrich] did it send you a webmention even though it is not showing all the info?
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[jgmac1106] still getting the micropub endpoint error. Going to download my content, delete my blog and reinstall
# [mrkrndvs] And I haven't updated anything since my last post GWG
# [mrkrndvs] Going to try some other post kinds
# [mrkrndvs] I'm still getting an endpoint error too
# [jgmac1106] going to try indiereads [gregorlove] put in som other tests. @mrkndvs did any of upur plug ins or themes auto update last night?
# [mrkrndvs] I'll have to check. Not that I'm aware of [jgmac1106] but that would be the logical reason
# [mrkrndvs] My error message for endpoint is "Authentication Fail: Null"
# [jgmac1106] I get the same 401 endpoint, let me delete and restore my blog and see if that fixes anything
# [mrkrndvs] I got the 401 yesterday, but can't reproduce it today
# [mrkrndvs] Nope, got the null today 🤷♂️
# [jgmac1106] yeah that is my thinking, can you check to see if plugins autoupdated?
# [mrkrndvs] What I don't get with the post kinds is that the information is still showing for the other posts, just not today's 🤔
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# [jgmac1106] no, but I think it is a bigger issue with my file structure, even when I delte my entire instance and then install a clone my diles end up all over the place rather than my chosen directory, going to work on that first
# [mrkrndvs] Oh ok. I'll just go easy on the 'likes'. No rush. I was just wondering. Thank you 👍
# [jgmac1106] [mrkrndvs] my likes will always be blank if I don't add a sentence or two
# [jgmac1106] off ha ha, [chrisldrich] and I talked about it, he said he stopped doing plain likes because it is digital vapor and doesn't leave a post as well
# [jgmac1106] feel free to walk by the river or head to park
# [jgmac1106] [mrkndvs] if you add a sentence to you like until then it will worl
# [jgmac1106] work*
# [jgmac1106] or your gardens, just don't want to think you need to pend a few summer hours off fixing a plugin, unless of course that is where you want to find your joy today
# [jgmac1106] !tell schmarty Kapowski needs a Slack bot
# [jgmac1106] mmm nap
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# [xavierroy] Been having script injection issues in my site for the past few days... Wondering how to fix it
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# [jgmac1106] @gwg I just posted my itched on my wiki page
# [jgmac1106] but today I am on a hunt for themes that will work out of the box when you install all the plugins, thinking we have three levels of themes 100% indieweb developed and 100% indieweb compatible, and then everything else
# [jgmac1106] ...but I think I may have discovered what caused all the problems with my website. I had at one point put my comprehensive exams (I think built using iWeb) on the domain: http://jgregorymcverry.com/Welcome.html
# [jgmac1106] that was for my pHD ten years ago there is an underscore in the file structure
# [jgmac1106] added bonus I found my original background image to my myspace site (the chess board)
# [jgmac1106] Did you ever refresh TwentySixteen-Indieweb with support for the WP Term Image plugin?.....no I forgot 2016-indieweb takes manual updates. We should make a twitter account or use indiewebcamp to announce important theme and plugin updates
# [jgmac1106] I am hoping this old iWeb instance I had bits and pieces laying around in my root file is what has caused all my issues.
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# [jgmac1106] [pfefferle] I wrote the interview protocol for theme developer user stories here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Onboarding#Recommended_Changes Would love feedback from you @gwg and [miklb] feel free to chime in
# [jgmac1106] oops not there, ignore the anchor
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# [jgmac1106] morning fine sir
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# [jgmac1106] just documenting history and if there were decisions made in the past being able to pint new theme developers towards some documentation on to what decisions were made about different things can help
# [jgmac1106] we can say, "see the change logs" or look at GitHub commits but that just points to the how and not the why
# [jgmac1106] Always optional and i allow any participant first right of denial over any segment of a video before i publish it
# [jgmac1106] [cjwillcock] is doing an awesome job really capturing some thoughts around themes. Maybe [miklb] I thought instead another approach would be to try a a bunch of themes that can work with the plugins with the most minimal friction possible
# [jgmac1106] also [miklb] would want to get your thoughts about planning for better testing and stuff I have seen you bring up. Planning for larger communities and how a community layer can help or hinder, etcc
# [jgmac1106] "your" being a collective of indieweb theme developers
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# [jgmac1106] +1 to well written commit messages
# [jgmac1106] well after completely rebuilding my website from the ground up I can not get my wesbite to work with micrupub endpoints due to the header authorization. Officially giving up. My only thinking since I can get mincropub working on a subdomain with a 100% same set up it may have something to do with my WordPress install being on the root access of jgregory/public_html and not in a directory folder, pure conjencture as I am out ifead. #T
# [jgmac1106] Towel
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] But you haven't leveraged the true power of the indieweb. If your current host is doing something hinky with the headers and it's not working. You should be able to walk across the street to a competitor who does allow them and voila! Problem solved.
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[keithjgrant] [miklb] any idea what omnibear's doing wrong? Any errors in logs?
# [keithjgrant] Any further info in the log UI?
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] for the level of customer support reclaim hosting provides I would rather not micropub, than move somewhere else or use my own servers. they have been working hard to solve the issue with me. and I have used Known, so I do know how it works when things just work. Everyone has been so helpful [zegnat] [miklb] [gwg] [aaronpk] its just an itch I have scratched till I bled need to heal for a bit
# [keithjgrant] (you can click the entry to expand if there is more info)
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] and that's completely reasonable too.
# [keithjgrant] Hm. That means it's got the info
# [keithjgrant] I'll check into that
# [jgmac1106] I could just go back to WordPress for long from articles and building pretty looking websites and run anything #indieweb through Known again, at least then things will work.That will be when I ultimately throw in the towel. I like the one site approach. Been a ton of fun..... but ...WordPress
# [jgmac1106] now going to play with themes and see how many I can find that will work with the other plugins out of box, fun scavenger hunt
# [jgmac1106] [gwg] does WP favor titles when searching, to tags beat titles? is there a way to only serach chronological: https://jgregorymcverry.com/?s=theme
# [jgmac1106] [miklb] okay thanks, still I need to go back and tag all my notes since they are all uncategorized
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# [jgmac1106] @gwg This happens to me a lot when I add the post kind plugin. You see no choices for post kinds until you go and change the defaults, then they will appear on a new post page
# [jgmac1106] so I have tried two different themes (Fluida, Hueman) that say they have microformats but they are not mf2, when I add mf2 plugin metadata works and the source code gets the thumbs up from indiewebify.me, when I add webmentions I do not seem to send or receive. I can't get webmention.rocks to work either. Not sure if it is a pattern or an interest.
# [jgmac1106] i installed semantic linkbacks at the same time as well,
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[miklb] constantly complaining about it will not help. We continue to work on ways to influence the broader WP community, but it has been a slow progress. GWG recently got _s to fix a long standing problem, but that only helps new themes built with it, not the 1000s that were using mf1 incorrectly.
# [jgmac1106] Thanks just trying to find the break points, and you probably already know this..then find out what happens when all you do is try to remove it...but it sounds like from what you folks say the poor legacy use can come from anywhere
# [jgmac1106] Need someone with way more juice than me
# [jgmac1106] or a lot of someone's
# [jgmac1106] a route of encouraging child themes with just removal of legacy and update to mf2 would't work you don't think?
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# [chrisaldrich] Some of the poor legacy use is hard coded into WordPress core while other parts are just theme developers who don't know how to properly use or next microformats. Then there's also the issue of themers targeting semantic classes for CSS and JS which can cause things to break when using hooks/filters to inject mf2 programmatically, which is what the microformats plugin is trying to do.
# [jgmac1106] yeah [miklb] I think that looks really cool.
# [chrisaldrich] Some strategy has been outlined at https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Development#Themes
# [jgmac1106] maybe somebody could mention it to any senior cloud develop advocates he may know at Microsoft since it is a LinkedIn project, maybe there could be some support for the effort
# [jgmac1106] well off to get kids, then its baseball time, enjoy all. Thanks for the help
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# jackjamieson Hi GWG, sorry I couldn't stick around yesterday
# jackjamieson You mentioned on GitHub about scheduling a chat. That'd be great if you have any advice for how I can best contribute to post kinds (and others)
# jackjamieson Well, I guess first off I'll look into phpcs and phpunit as you suggested. First off I was just confused about why the PR failed the Travis test, but that's mainly my inexperience
# jackjamieson I don't have experience doing unit tests, but that's probably a good thing for me to learn at any rate
# jackjamieson So maybe I can take that as a good starting point, and try to use that as a small project to learn how to better comply with the standards etc.
# jackjamieson I guess the main thing I was frustrated with in the past was detecting post kinds through micro-pub. Actually I had stopped using micropub for awhile because of that. It seems like that's improved a lot, but that's why I leapt onto the read kind detection.
# jackjamieson indiebookclub motivated me to give it another try
# jackjamieson So it may the case that my main peeve is resolved (it was a small one)!
# jackjamieson Exactly
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GWG I keep mine on the Issues page. https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues
# jackjamieson And in the mean time I think your tips re: standards are useful so I can do a better job of addressing itches as they arise
# jackjamieson Probably a good idea to get my own projects up to standard as well :)
# jackjamieson Makes sense to improve interoperability
# jackjamieson This is my first time wanting to contribute to such a modular sort of ecosystem
# jackjamieson it's well organized. I'm not a very strong coder and I can navigate it pretty easily
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# jackjamieson [miklb]: That's more or less what I mean, but beyond just being necessary that it's useful to extend upon plugins
# jackjamieson e.g. I've added support for post kinds to a plugin I made
# jackjamieson I guess WordPress is like that in general, but even beyond that indieweb involves a lot of parts working together
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# [jgmac1106] I am finding few people are using Bridgy as their main syndication tool. I have been doing it exclusively for awhile but most dont
# jackjamieson [jgmac1106]: Agreed. For a long time I was using SNAP, and in that case it makes sense to have syndication links available as a separate plugin
# jackjamieson GWG: Maybe I don't understand
# jackjamieson That sounds pretty cool
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# [chrisaldrich] !tell [mrkrndvs] I noticed your likes having problems displaying the other day and commented on the reason for it on micro.blog as well as my own site: https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/11/dislikes/#comment-54243 Ultimately the webmention wasn't sent because there was no link on your site for mine to see when mine checked for the URL.
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tantek__ hey GWG, how ready do you think various WordPress plugins are for a major multi-author blog like say, https://hacks.mozilla.org/ ?
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# [chrisaldrich] tantek I think that miklb has a multi-site install and has played around with most of the plugin suite without any/many issues. He may have more direct insight as a result.
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# [cjwillcock] hello indieweb
# [cjwillcock] wordpress 🙂
# [cjwillcock] I am tinkering with a bit of code that will investigate a WP theme, to highlight things that need fixing - ie: using microformats in CSS
# [cjwillcock] *any WP theme
# [cjwillcock] and when I say highlight, I mean report on
# [cjwillcock] to do some analysis of things like - does this thing use mf2? does it use mf1?
# [cjwillcock] it's not being setup to consume the HTML, but rather to static analyze the theme files
# [cjwillcock] so yea, that's my weekend project
# [cjwillcock] 'triage'
# [cjwillcock] i know WP core sets the 'hentry' stuff, any other big problems with WP core re: use of microformats, or things that make mf2 uptake more difficult?
# [cjwillcock] my goal is to be able to report with recommendations, change this css, look in this file on this line for hAtom thingers, etc. etc.
# [cjwillcock] once it can do just about anything useful, I'll post source