#wordpress 2018-07-16

2018-07-16 UTC
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dougbeal Also, the Custom Html widget line numbering is obscuring the start of each line, anyone else have this problem?
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dougbeal GWG: just notice I have a venue type under posts, is that part of simple location?
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GWG dougbeal, not working yet
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dougbeal GWG ok, glad I didn't miss the easy way when doing HWC post ;)
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GWG dougbeal, it should only be visible in debug mode
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dougbeal GWG: that would explain its appearence, turned on debug mode so I could get better logging
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dougbeal Hurm, github webmention got crossposted to HWC event and github page
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dougbeal GWG: what does the response properties for an Issue kind? I guess probably Post Kinds, huh?
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GWG Yes
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GWG Response Properties is the metabox for Post Kinds
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dougbeal I kinda goes berserk when I use the Safari text field history in the URL box... is it a wordpress widget?
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dougbeal Its a beta browser, so who knows where the fault lies
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] same thing happens in FF for Android. It remembers something I cut and pasted weeks ago not just two minutes ago
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dougbeal jgmac1106 I didn't actually capture what was happening. It pops up the Your URL has been parsed while scrolling through options, grabbing the focus and preventing going to the right URL
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GWG dougbeal: It's a WordPress metabox I built.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm just noticing [xavierroy] has a Post Kinds widget in his sidebar at https://xavierroy.com/. Was this hand rolled or a hidden option somewhere?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: It's the standard tag/taxonomy widget, I think. But I did want to write an actual one
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dougbeal [chrisaldrich]: I have it for kinds at tags, but the tags really needs a count cuttoff
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dougbeal Ugh, something has screwed up formatting for my site https://dougbeal.com
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dougbeal Is it not safe to use <pre>?
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dougbeal If I zoom in enough, its fine
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dougbeal I guess its a theme issue?
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[chrisaldrich] I often find that issues like that are usually related to not closing a tag somewhere....
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dougbeal something seems to be missing a " <svg class="svg-icon svg-issue" aria-hidden="true" aria-label="Issue title="Issue">
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[chrisaldrich] Interesting, I don't think I'd realized that tag clouds did that for taxonomies... slick.
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dougbeal class-kind-taxonomy
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dougbeal in post-kinds
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dougbeal wonder why it didn't break the page before
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dougbeal Maybe I had an even number of post-kinds before?
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dougbeal hold me, Loqi
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dougbeal I used the w3c validator, fyi
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[chrisaldrich] What are tools?
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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[chrisaldrich] [dougbeal] that could be worth adding a line to ^^ as a debugging thing
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dougbeal I put it under other tools
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[miklb] we really need better templating for kinds than having to do stuff like this `$title = Kind_View::get_cite_title( $cite )`
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GWG [miklb]: Such as?
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[miklb] I’m not sure. Certainly not meant to be comment on you, just php by nature I think.
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[miklb] I’m debugging some kind of issue with the editor and post kinds and view templates so I’m cranky.
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[miklb] `PHP Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Only variables can be passed by reference in /indieweb-post-kinds/templates/reply-metabox.php:13` from `Illegal string offset 'author' in /indieweb-post-kinds/templates/reply-metabox.php on line 13`
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[miklb] that’s what I’m getting when I attempt to edit a photo kind. Let me try a different post
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[miklb] nope, same.
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[miklb] at first I thought i was my custom photo kind causing that, but I renamed my photo kind template.
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GWG [miklb]: I have an idea for redoing that entire section again.
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[miklb] I appreciate that you are continually iterating, but it’s difficult for me to keep up. I’m just trying to find an equilibrium and lock versions so I can actually do more IW stuff like post my own photos.
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GWG [miklb]: I keep trying to make it better.
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[miklb] I realize these are all moving parts, I’m just feeling like I’m playing wack-a-mole with all of the different plugins. I get one thing working, another thing stops.
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GWG Yes. I have to figure out what to do about that.
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[miklb] I’m genuinely going to spend some time on my Gutenberg ideas next week.
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GWG [miklb]: Oh?
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dougbeal [miklb]: I tried enabling Gutenberg, was not really useable yet
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[miklb] let’s just say the “big idea” would be a mf2 parser in the editor
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[miklb] [dougbeal] what I found was that once I used a theme that was built to work with Gutenberg, a huge light bulb went off in my head
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dougbeal I
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dougbeal I'm using Indieweb Twenty Sixteen
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dougbeal Is 2016 not Gutenberg ready?
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[miklb] no, there aren’t too many that I’ve seen
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dougbeal ah
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[miklb] it will *work* with it, but not optimized for Gutenberg by having editor and theme styles for the default blocks
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[miklb] once I experienced that, a whole lot of things made sense
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[miklb] as simple as it sounds
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[miklb] same as recently I worked with a theme built to utilize Customizer for the first time, not fight against it and be another page-builder theme/plugin monstrosity.
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[miklb] the combination of the two my opinion is 180° from what it was 6 months ago. From the content creator perspective I should clarify.
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GWG [miklb]: I'm happy to go with an alternate solution if someone comes up with something that works well.
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[xavierroy] [chrisaldrich] I use the standard taxonomy as categories and tags for post kinds... [dshanske] what I would love to have is have the kind icons only display not the text.
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[miklb] GWG in the meantime, any thoughts about where that error might be coming from?
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GWG [miklb]: There is a longstanding issue I keep thinking I fixed where properties are not being set. But it should be checked for before it tries to retrieve them.
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dougbeal Well, fixed the missing ", didn't help, so its some othe error
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dougbeal A issue post kind is missing a p start tag, thoughts?
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dougbeal https://gist.github.com/dougbeal/90471a54bb42cea4fb241eae68f89922
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dougbeal Thats to say, is it probably from the template?
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[miklb] probably, but check the stored content to make sure it didn’t come from the micropub post
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[miklb] what I can’t figure out is why it’s happening with just the photo kind in editing
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dougbeal It originated on my site, so should be fine, but the metadataa looks ok as well
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[miklb] what’s weird though is that there are a second set of `<p></p>` in the `entry-content` div
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dougbeal yeah, I wonder if its debug being turned on
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dougbeal Is there a way to view the filters/php files called? I have Debug This installd
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GWG I like Query Monitor
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dougbeal Would it help track down the errant </p> ?
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[miklb] Query Monitor++
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dougbeal What are tools
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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dougbeal What are wordpress tools
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wordpress tools" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wordpress tools is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal wordpress tools << https://wordpress.org/plugins/query-monitor/
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named " wordpress tools" or similar
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Loqi [John Blackbourn & contributors] Description Query Monitor is the Developer Tools panel for WordPress. It includes some advanced features not available in other debugging plugins, including Ajax and REST API debugging, and the ability to narrow down its output by plugin or theme. Q...
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dougbeal wordpress tools is Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging a Wordpress IndieWeb site.
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dougbeal wordpress tools is Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging a Wordpress IndieWeb site.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /wordpress_tools (+136) "prompted by dougbeal and dfn added by dougbeal" (view diff)
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dougbeal wordpress tools << https://wordpress.org/plugins/query-monitor/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wordpress.org/plugins/query-monitor/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /wordpress_tools https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50019&oldid=50017
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loqi.me edited /wordpress_tools (+64) "dougbeal added "https://wordpress.org/plugins/query-monitor/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi [John Blackbourn & contributors] Description Query Monitor is the Developer Tools panel for WordPress. It includes some advanced features not available in other debugging plugins, including Ajax and REST API debugging, and the ability to narrow down its output by plugin or theme. Q...
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dougbeal wordpress tools << [tools]
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Loqi ok, I added "[tools]" to the "See Also" section of /wordpress_tools https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50020&oldid=50019
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dougbeal What should I be looking for in Query Monitor?
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dougbeal Oh, i should verify that single post has the same problem firs
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[miklb] I use the menu bar dropdown to access most of the features. There’s a hooks/actions option
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GWG [miklb]: By the way, any issues with Micropub? I am working on that
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dougbeal seem to get more tag errors on the single post page
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dougbeal I have a comment bit that has label and p closing tags swapped, how would I use Query Monitor to see what code is responsible?
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[miklb] GWG yeah, I can’t post photos because my kind photo template is broken 🙂
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[miklb] seems now I just need to figure out how to get the `mf2_photo` into the template
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[miklb] GWG honestly, I’ve not been using micropub much. I want to, but that goes back to the whack-a-mole with micropub clients and indieauth. I think most of those are fixed? So I’m hoping to really start using it more.
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GWG [miklb]: We keep finding fixes
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[miklb] sure. I’ve just had limited time myself to test and update everything. So trying to sort out as much as possible so I can focus on the next itch.
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GWG The 401 Unauthorized problem was usually IndieAuth not connecting a URL to a user_id. So, I just passed a user id and used that
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[miklb] I just want to get a stable workflow so I can do some theme stuff for a while. If I can’t create the content, I’m not motivated to work on the front end stuff for them.
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[miklb] so that’s my goal for this week.
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GWG I understand
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[miklb] in the meantime, can you suggest the easiest way to grab the postmeta mf2_photo value? I’ve confused myself what is the post object in a kind template
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dougbeal Well, if I add just an opening tag, then the p's match :(
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[miklb] [dougbeal] link to your template?
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dougbeal https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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dougbeal its inside <div class="entry-content e-content">
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dougbeal whats a POT file?
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[miklb] it’s used for translation
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GWG [miklb]: There is a class called mf2_post which allows retrieving the post as mf2 data.
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dougbeal GWG: what was the debug query string?
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GWG You mean the one that allows you to retrieve a post object or a URL as mf2?
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[miklb] GWG I don’t understand what “as mf2 data” means. I just want the postmeta field `mf2_photo`
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dougbeal GWG: yeah, that one? Or is it the same infomation as the metadata admin plugin?
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GWG If you have $mf2_post, it should be $mf2_post->get( 'photo' )
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GWG YOUR_URL /?pkdebug=form
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dougbeal Hurm, the stray p is right before a \n
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dougbeal Can you next p tgs?
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dougbeal tags
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[miklb] we as users of post-kinds should police our open issues when you have time.
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GWG Police?
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[miklb] if you opened an issue, follow up or close
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dougbeal Ah, you can't
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[miklb] I was reading through them and see a few that I think are fixed/resolved
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[miklb] nest [dougbeal]?
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dougbeal <p> bla blah <p> blah blah </p> </p>
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[miklb] GWG you shouldn’t have to go around following up is my point. There are 54 issues in that repo open right now.
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GWG Some I opened
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[miklb] well, of course. I will also make sure I go through any open issues I’ve created. Labels could help in that regard with a lot of issues.
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dougbeal Can Query Monitor tell me what is generating a bit of html, or is it just for performance?
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GWG It can trace errors
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dougbeal So it won't help with malformed html?
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GWG No
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GWG miklb, I am thinking about #187
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GWG As a solution to the building UI problem
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GWG Basically, register each piece, and generate the layout more easily
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dougbeal is this grabbing text from .pot file? <?php echo get_webmention_form_text( get_the_ID() ); ?>
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GWG Not directly
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[miklb] it shouldn’t.
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dougbeal I don't see anything with explicit p tags, but webmention-comment-form.php wraps the label and input in a p tag, so they can't use it
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[miklb] GWG that’s basically how I see the blocks in Gutenberg being used. I want to investigate nested blocks
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dougbeal what does __( " string " ); do?
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gRegorLove Makes that string available for translation, so if you specify a different language
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dougbeal something is wrapping <label for="webmention-source"><?php echo get_webmention_form_text( get_the_ID() ); ?></label> the <?php bit in a p tag, and its beyond by knowledge of php
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dougbeal and/or wordpress
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dougbeal hurm, unless I'm running a different versino of the plugin
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[miklb] look for the get_webmention_form_text function and see if there is any HTML
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gRegorLove Core Wordpress wraps p. It can be obnoxious
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[miklb] which plugin is that? Semantic linkbacks or webmention?
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dougbeal gRegorLove: around any .pot call?
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dougbeal webmention
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dougbeal gRegorLove: or any <?php ?
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gRegorLove Based on newlines in content, whether that originates in the post editor, a plugin somewhere https://codex.wordpress.org/wpautop
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dougbeal its the webmention submission box text
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[miklb] it applies wpautop to that text
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gRegorLove It works great 99% of the time for stuff you write in the main text editor. I've had issues where a custom plugin needs to insert a form and the extra whitespace causes <p>
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dougbeal Should it be disable for the webmention plugin, then?
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[miklb] https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/includes/functions.php#L25
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dougbeal Oh, thats for a theme
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gRegorLove Looked closer at your example. The first </p> is weird. I wouldn't expect that from wpautop. My issues have always been unwanted additional pairs of <p></p>
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gRegorLove Is that </p> definitely not in the authored content?
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dougbeal Oh, so if you use the default text, you end up with extra p tags?
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gRegorLove Or is there an un-closed <p> before the <article>?
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dougbeal Oops, never mind
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dougbeal Let me look again
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dougbeal Could this be a php 7.2 issue/
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gRegorLove I doubt it
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gRegorLove Is this post live on your site?
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gRegorLove nvm, found it
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dougbeal https://validator.w3.org/nu/?showsource=yes&showoutline=yes&showimagereport=yes&doc=https%3A%2F%2Fdougbeal.com%2F2018%2F07%2F15%2Ffeature-wordpress-rel-issues-link-in-plugin-generated-widget-when-in-debug-mode%2F#l119c195
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dougbeal So for the webmention part, its explictly calling wpautop?
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dougbeal Let me check Query Monitor
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[miklb] for the text, it applies autop yes
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[miklb] that line I linked to shows the function
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dougbeal Thats going to cause problems with https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/templates/webmention-comment-form.php
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gRegorLove Doesn't look like it. Already has <p> in that form and no double line breaks.
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gRegorLove Is your theme doing anything to the content before it displays it in the <div class="e-content">?
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dougbeal No idea, where would it be?
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[miklb] it outputs the kind-issue templaet
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gRegorLove Which theme is this, 2016?
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[miklb] GWG’s fork
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[miklb] https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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dougbeal content-single.php doesn't add any explict p tags
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gRegorLove Hm, I'm not really sure then. I think a plugin is doing *something* with the_content()
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dougbeal I guess I should be able to run wpautop from the console on the string
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dougbeal and see if it is a wp bub
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gRegorLove Based on the theme file, I would expect a line break after `<div class="entry-content e-content">` but your source doesn't have that
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gRegorLove Which makes me think something is hooking into/modifying the results of the_content() before it's displaye
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gRegorLove d
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[miklb] the post-kinds plugin is filtering the_content and inserting the template and markup
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[miklb] i believe
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[miklb] but yes, the webmention plugin is doing `<label><p>foo</p></label>`
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gRegorLove ohh, missed that
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[miklb] running autop over the get_form_text and then inserting that inside a label
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dougbeal There are several bug, I belive
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dougbeal I think the webmention form has been tracked down
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dougbeal but the entry-content is wierder
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dougbeal I will file a bug on the webmention form, postponing the rest
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dougbeal crap, did I just add php code to my post?
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[miklb] no
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[miklb] but you should use code blocks so it can display properly
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dougbeal No, it was excuting the webmention form code :(
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[miklb] inside your post?
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dougbeal yeah
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[miklb] that shouldn’t happen
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dougbeal hurm
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[miklb] do you have some kind of plugin that allows for execution of code in an editor?
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dougbeal a console, and a debugger
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dougbeal let me disable them
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dougbeal Could query monitor cause it?
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dougbeal I guess its just the html tags causing problems
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dougbeal No easy way to escape them in the editor?
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[miklb] use `<code>` tag
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[miklb] on that note, I must rest
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dougbeal goodnight o/
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Loqi sweet dreams
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dougbeal Loqi, sing me Brave Brave Sir Robin.
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[pfefferle] good morning
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[pfefferle] thanks for the bugreport [dougbeal] will remove the wpautop
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Loqi good morning
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GWG !tell [pfefferle] Why a webmention status page?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[pfefferle] because of async handling
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GWG [pfefferle]: You are building async handling?
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GWG pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 28 karma in this channel (61 overall)
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GWG [pfefferle]: Also, if you get a chance, would you be able to weigh in on the media endpoint code?
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GWG And the Vouch PR?
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GWG Wondering if I should finish up and release refbacks. It really isn't doing very much.
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[pfefferle] sure, read it yesterday, will try to have a look today afternoon
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[pfefferle] the async is already nearly working
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[pfefferle] would like to tweak it a bit and to have the status page
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[pfefferle] but I am not sure if it should be an API (JSON) or a human radable (HTML) endpoint
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GWG [pfefferle] Both?
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GWG Accept?
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[pfefferle] or like that
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aaronpk So far I don't know of anything consuming status pages other than people reading them so probably html or even just plain text is fine
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GWG I look forward to seeing what you come up with
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[pfefferle] [aaronpk] but aren’t Webmentions nearly always sent via any kind of automatism? so, nearly no customers sees it at all…
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aaronpk Most of the time that is true, but as an example, Telegraph sends them automatically and also shows you the list of all the ones sent, and includes a link to the status page if provided
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aaronpk Here's a webmention.io status page. I believe it returns JSON based on the accept header https://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention/Ti6bfuEvKFf8SSyAZyI2
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[pfefferle] and “status:” is the status of the Webmention?
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[pfefferle] so this one was published!?!
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aaronpk "success" or "failed" just means whether the receiver found the backlink, not about moderation approval or published status
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aaronpk i'm writing this up on the wiki
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[pfefferle] cool, thanks
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jgmac1106_ [pfefferle] Would love to schedule the user interview with sometime, do you have any availability around this time Thursday or Friday?
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aaronpk here's how telegraph shows the status URL https://indieweb.org/Telegraph#Webmention_sent_successfully
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[pfefferle] nice, thanks
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GWG I look forward to more
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[pfefferle] [aaronpk] “Error received when sending” is the HTTP error code
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[pfefferle] ??
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aaronpk here's more details on status pages https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#status_page
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aaronpk no, that was actually the generic pingback error code
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aaronpk either a webmention or pingback error will result in that red X on telegraph
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aaronpk so normally you get the green check because webmention endpoints return "accepted" and process asynchronously. telegraph doesn't follow up and check on the status of those.
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[pfefferle] but if the URLs can’t be validated, the endpoint should return a error code instead of 20x?
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aaronpk yeah on syntax errors the endpoint should still return an error
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[pfefferle] ok
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aaronpk like if the source or target URL is not actually a URL, and a few other cases
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#error-responses
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[pfefferle] ok
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aaronpk I want to eventually make telegraph poll the status URLs checking for updates on the processing
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aaronpk so that would need a machine-readable response body for the status URL
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[pfefferle] that was my next question 😄
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[pfefferle] so it would be good to implement a status page for “comments” (in the wordpress context), that documents the complete lifecycle…
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aaronpk that would be great! and with more producers of that I would have more incentive to finish that feature in telegraph :)
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[pfefferle] 🙂
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jgmac1106_ check out what [johnjohnston] built: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/ code here: https://github.com/troutcolor/QuickFlickrFavs I couldn’t embed the flickr fav roll anymore bc of Flash. John got to work and made this for me. I am so stoked. [@cathieleblanc] if you wanted to pesos your photos back from Flickr you can get your grid view you wanted. I cheated by using a page builder for my grid view
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sknebel not really PESOS, since it doesnt store anything on your site?
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[jgmac1106] ohh yeah, okay, just displaying
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[jgmac1106] just trying to help her make a grid view of photos rather than the single view in the taxanomy
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jgmac1106_ this is mine, I need to go in and switch all my photos I syndicated to feature photos so they display, gonna add a title as well since I will syndicate to Flickr and not instagram
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jgmac1106_ not getting my own webmentions on http://jgregorymcverry.com/my-to-do-list/ but for some reason my own webmentions are usually the longest one’s to appear
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snarfed useful big picture background: https://wordpress.org/news/2018/07/quarterly-updates-q2-2018/
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aaronpk whoa " Clearing ~8,000 unused plugins from the queues."
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dougbeal Welp, a lot of the weirder bugs last night was Safari all jumbled up, especially the solo closing p tag. Once I restarted safari it was a pair of tags.
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dougbeal heisenbug++
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Loqi heisenbug has 1 karma
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www.boffosocko.com edited /wordpress_tools (+121) "cleaned up definition; linky; Insights plugin tool; added WordPress & Plugin category; emojicon" (view diff)
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jgmac1106_ finidng myself having to update a post 5-6 times before Bridgy doesn’t throw me an error and syndicated to Twitter, will play to see if I am doing anything different
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sknebel jgmac1106_: have you checked bridgy's logs for what's wrong?
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jgmac1106_ I don’t know how to do that, when I go to brid.gy its just so hard to find my username
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jgmac1106_ @sknebel….it edventually catches up and all the sudden I get a webmentions dump of everytime I hit update or everytime I sent a webmention to myself
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snarfed jgmac1106_: hmm really? if you log in, it should set a cookie and then show links to your accounts in the top right
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jgmac1106_ <— goes to login
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jgmac1106_ where do I login?
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snarfed jgmac1106_: looking at your recent failures, your site is either timing out (after 15s), eg https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1531760479&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySQsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiImh0dHA6Ly9qZ3JlZ29yeW1jdmVycnkuY29tLzQ0NTUtMi8MCxIHUHVibGlzaBiAgICAgICACgw
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snarfed ...or returning 403, eg https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1531764219&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lySwsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiJGh0dHA6Ly9qZ3JlZ29yeW1jdmVycnkuY29tL2FjdGl2aXN0LwwLEgdQdWJsaXNoGICAgICAgIAKDA
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jgmac1106_ think it is usually the 403 error, that is usually what I get that it couldn’t find the url
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snarfed jgmac1106_: to log in, click the twitter button on https://brid.gy/
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snarfed looking at https://brid.gy/twitter/jgmac1106#publishes , the bottom two attempt clusters were timeouts, the top one was 403
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jgmac1106_ Bridgy Error: Could not fetch source URL http://jgregorymcverry.com/4464-2/ is the error, 6 seconds to publish that
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Loqi This is what angers me the most. Those doing the work for others on the margins are forced to live marginally themselves while we spend hundred of millions a year on education research that helps no one except those who already have.
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jgmac1106_ I was adding a stub to see if that helped, not a big deal, I just have to hit update a bunch, but its part of the reason I only use Brid.gy when replying to tweets, other than that I used SNAP but I turn that off when using Bridggy
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jgmac1106_ thanks [snarfed] for the help I will try and figure out why I get the 403 every 4 our 5 times
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snarfed jgmac1106_: welcome!
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[chrisaldrich] For Post Kinds plugin users who weren't aware of it's widgetability: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/16/creating-a-tag-cloud-directory-for-the-post-kinds-plugin-on-wordpress/
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jgmac1106_ the strangest things are webmentions to myself , those never come through and all the sudden I get a massive dump, will let you know when the next one comes through
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sknebel "Visitor anti-robot validation" from that 403 sounds like either your host or some security plugin?
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sknebel hm, reading through that html further it's "bitninja.io" and ">Your IP address your SMTP servers</span> (107.178.195.150) as been blocked for security reason. Probably your IP address has been used for violation of server security rules before."
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jgmac1106_ I was wondering what the security flag meant in link [snarfed] shared
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jgmac1106_ I don’t use the WP SMTP, in fact I send no mail from the domain…what steps does one need to take to fix this?
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jgmac1106_ “Visitor anti-robot validation” okay will look to see what is using that, need to get back to class, but that’s weird
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jgmac1106_ there is an email address to someone from astrohost.com there…very strange…somebody probably been sending out tons of spam emails from my domain for long time
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sknebel other way around: it thinks bridgy is bad. since it runs on google hosting, might be that someone else on that IP did bad stuff in the past, or actually a bad error messageand it complains cause bridgy is a crawler
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[jgmac1106] uh-oh
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dougbeal I'm having h-card problems, where the rel=me links are not actually in the hcard. Should I just disable the author h-card widget and create a h-card as custom html?
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dougbeal What is wordpress hcard
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wordpress hcard" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wordpress hcard is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal Also does a rel=me widget make any sense if its not part of the hcard?
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sknebel rel-parsing doesn't know about h-cards, so for that purpose it doesn't matter where the links are
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dougbeal Oh, so just a representative hcard isue
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sknebel even in the representative h-card the rel doesn't have to be in there. same parsing
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sknebel of course putting it in the h-card means you don't have to duplicate the link
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sknebel but there you could just do the first case, with url=uid
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sknebel no need for rel=me for thatp urpose
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sknebel nvm, you need that case if it points to a different site
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dougbeal well, its a http vs https issue for me
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dougbeal maybe the wordpress hcard should include http and https rel-me for your site?
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dougbeal Or I guess in rel=me widget
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sknebel that should never be necessary... what's the problem exactly?
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dougbeal fed.bridgy wants a represnetive hbard before it will proxy webfinger
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dougbeal and it uses http because webfinger?
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dougbeal my url is https
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dougbeal so fed.bridgy comlains no represnetive hcard
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sknebel I don't get why/where it uses HTTP, that sounds like a bug...
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sknebel you are missing either a rel=me or a u-uid on your homepage to make the h-card representative
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dougbeal because webfinger, bridgy is given @dougbeal.com@dougbeal.com
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dougbeal doesn't involve urls
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sknebel ohh, you don't redirect to https. now I get it.
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dougbeal what is u-uid
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Loqi u-uid is a microformats2 property for representing a unique identifier for the item, e.g https://indieweb.org/u-uid
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] my rel=me links aren't in my hcard
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dougbeal What is rel="me" relation
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[jgmac1106] To the hcard... None... It's just convenient
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dougbeal Ugh, why isn't rel="me" linked in the microformats wiki
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[jgmac1106] If you look at the examples of h-card on the mf2 wiki you won't see any rel=me
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[jgmac1106] What the IndieWeb plugin does is add the rel=me to any social media profile on your WP user profile
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gRegorLove dougbeal, are you looking for http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-me ?
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dougbeal Yes, have to punt to google to find it
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[jgmac1106] My image profile in my hcard links back to my site but h-card and rel=me not connected at all. It confuses a lot of folks
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gRegorLove rels are scoped to the entire page, "this page is related to this other page"
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dougbeal Hurm, so there is no requirement that rel-me's appear in the hcard, but what is fed.brigy requiring?
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[jgmac1106] [gregorlove] can you have an = sign in a redirect? I am sure many use rel=me as search term or try /rel=me
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dougbeal Is this right? <link rel="me" class="u-url" href="http://dougbeal.com" />
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dougbeal oh, need https?
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dougbeal hurm
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] yep anywhere on your index or in header or footer
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[jgmac1106] Yep your site is https so must be link
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dougbeal Yeah, passed indiewebify.me
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], searching rel=me on mf wiki should work
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gRegorLove Yay!
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Loqi 😄
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dougbeal and haz webfinger!
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dougbeal what does a mastadon rel-me look like?
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dougbeal Oh, I guess just a link to my profile pagE?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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[jgmac1106] Not sure [aaronpk] seems to have Mastodon work around for stuff but if you aren't authenticating with Mastodon do you care?
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gRegorLove It can be handy if you want to show a list of your profiles elsewhere
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gRegorLove Or for /verify-me
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dougbeal Works without them being in the hcard for /verify-me
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[jgmac1106] Yeah Mastodon folks have a philosophical issue with webmentions I recall... And an IndieWeb instance seems redundant to everything else we already have
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dougbeal jgmac1106: well, it could be like indieweb.org, you indieauth to login and then your website is your identify
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dougbeal jgmac1106: if you wanted to drive indieweb adoption, it has to be easier
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gRegorLove rels are scoped to the page, so their location on the page doesn't matter
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[jgmac1106] Yes, thus my point originally if you wanted to authenticate with your Mastodon account and I recall Aaron having some convoys around Indieauth
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gRegorLove microformats parsers do rel-parsing as a separate step. The rels don't have to be inside any h-* to be picked up.
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[jgmac1106] [dougbeal] I know and will have even better data soon. July 30th taking folks who have never been online and walking them through IndieWeb WordPress, their final is remixing my course page with mf2. Need to have my WP beginner guide done by then
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dougbeal jgmac1106 What I'm getting at is with a custom mastodon instance, you could have a mastadon identiy with zero configuration beyond indeiwebify
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dougbeal Which might be a good thing re:twitter
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dougbeal I'm now following myself on mastodon
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dougbeal Following my website, anyway
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dougbeal Oh, @me@snarfed.org
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[jgmac1106] Ohh okay what instance? I am on .social
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dougbeal @dougbeal@xoxo.zone
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dougbeal Where does the rel-me widget get the links? One of them is wrong, but I'm not sure where to fix it
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[jgmac1106] is xoxo.zone only for folks with a golden tix?
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dougbeal I think you have to know someone? Where knowing someone was being in the xoxo mastodon slack channel
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dougbeal Anyone setup WebSub/PubSubHubbub? How do I tell if its working right?
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dougbeal what is websub.rocks
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Loqi websub.rocks is a test suite for the WebSub protocol https://indieweb.org/websub.rocks
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7GHABDPYX I wonder if I post through Indigenous and have Bridgy to Twitter enabled by default if it will thread tweets correctly. Something to test, though need to figure out why I am getting that security issue on 4/5 attempts , until then back to mobile publishing through mobile web
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7GHABDPYX what the heck happened to my user name?
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7GHABDPYX jgmac1106, gonna restart IRC Client
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dougbeal 7GHABDPYX++
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7GHABDPYX ha ha , other issue to figure out is why can’t I send myself a webmention, Having to manually send a webmention to myself will ruin my Pomodoro/To-Do list workflow
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snarfed hey GWG i have a semantic-linkbacks feature request!
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snarfed i love that author links use the author h-card u-url...but the domain in the "liked this post on xyz.com" hover alt text should use the source post's domain, not the author's domain
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snarfed eg on https://snarfed.org/2018-07-16_introducing-baffle#comments
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snarfed oh wait nm, i think it's doing it right. i misread.
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snarfed it is! sorry. ignore me.
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GWG snarfed, didn't you build that feature?
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snarfed very possible
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GWG snarfed, I need to improve homepage mentions in there
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snarfed meh
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GWG To not route them all to one page. I need to find something useful
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snarfed sounds low priority? not sure what you'd do instead. single page sounds fine
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GWG I'm not doing anything till I think of something to do
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snarfed i just don't know that you need to do anything :P
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snarfed works as intended!
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GWG It doesn't display in a useful manner
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dougbeal I POSSE'd the like to twitter just to see what the facepile does ;P
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snarfed heh. the repost there already shows that it's working right
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[jgmac1106] I send my generics to my about-me page
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[jgmac1106] http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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[jgmac1106] Well that is definitely strange. I wonder if it will always use my last webmention
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[jgmac1106] I did like someone who changed the header from mentions to "My Community" but that is easy
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[jgmac1106] <- realizes he must be missing hcard on about me page
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GWG snarfed: I committed your fixes. Haven't heard from pfefferle yet
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snarfed GWG: ?
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GWG snarfed: The media endpoint PR. The remaining suggestions
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snarfed ah ok
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snarfed thanks!
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GWG snarfed: He was in here talking async webmentions this morning. I left some hooks in the webmention code for that, but we never did much with it.
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GWG I'm excited he's pursuing it