#wordpress 2018-07-25

2018-07-25 UTC
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GWG Evening
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[chrisaldrich] Howdy GWG!
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[chrisaldrich] This got pinged in the other chat rooms, but thought I'd drop it here as well: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/24/reply-to-morten-rand-hendriksen-about-webmention-and-wordpress-core/
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GWG I know the name and the work.
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[chrisaldrich] Hopefully he'll show up and we can all roll up our sleeves....
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GWG I just messaged him in the WordPress development Slack
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GWG "I'm the Pingbacks and Trackbacks Component Maintainer for WordPress and a major contributor to the Webmention plugin. How can I help?"
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[jgmac1106] GWG++
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[chrisaldrich] There was also this the other day too in case you missed it GWG: https://twitter.com/rboren/status/1019275363522895874
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@rboren @photomatt I recall the jokes made about crusty blogrolls when we deprecated the links manager. Now, folks are exhuming it for use as their canonical OPML source to feed OPML subscriptions. https://boffosocko.com/2017/11/10/a-following-page/ (twitter.com/_/status/1019275363522895874)
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GWG I saw that one
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: What else are you working on?
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[jgmac1106] I reached out to both @rboren is a really cool guy. Had good conversations with him. sent @openmatt a
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[jgmac1106] Message about maybe an IndieWebDC since I was in the city at the time
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[jgmac1106] M? Gddd
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[jgmac1106] Sorry
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: Wow, really? Didn‘t even know that those tweets and possibly my testing of the micro.blog service even interested anyone. :-) Decided to fully roll my own anyway. :-)
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: About that interview: I‘d be happy to! :-)
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[jgmac1106] @marcozDe I need to join the micro.blog community. I syndicate there but with Twitter API announcements....
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[jgmac1106] Awesome, just be aware like all thinga indieweb chat it's all public domain but I allow you to member check recording before release
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[jgmac1106] I should just stop calling it research and rebrand it a podcast and then research my podcast
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MarcoZDe Thanks!
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Loqi yea!
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MarcoZDe :-)
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[jgmac1106] Who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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[jgmac1106] That brings in feeds from across the web.. And other feeds, but Loqi gets all the street cred
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[jgmac1106] A true OG
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[jgmac1106] I am going to end up recording soup to nuts tutorials for all the themes for their slight variations.
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[jgmac1106] I need to double check but Independent Publisher from directory seems different in some places, but as always documenting.
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[jgmac1106] If you see anything I mistake about a theme let me know. Happy to record. Trying to keep everything under three minutes
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[jgmac1106] Retake easy
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MarcoZDe OK, next thing: Sort out Twitter crossposting. Right now I am using XYZ Map Twitter Auto Publish, but that might not be a good choice.
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[jgmac1106] @marcoZDe I use Bridgy when trying to keep the Twitter Thread alive.
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[jgmac1106] I was using SNAP but got my hand slapped for @ mentioning too many athletes during major US Sporting Event
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[jgmac1106] So been using Bridgy for everything.
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MarcoZDe Particularly if I want to post statuses from my blog. Was impressed when [chrisaldrich] replied to my tweet earlier from his site.
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: never used Snap.
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[jgmac1106] So to keep Twitter thread alive, you reply to each tweet as a new note, and that threads with Twitter as do webmentions
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: note? Not reply?
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[dougbeal] Does WP just write a new theme each year? Or was twentysixteen kept on so they renamed it to twentyseveteen
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[jgmac1106] I mean reply, my bad. Start a new thread with note
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MarcoZDe OK
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[jgmac1106] Each theme and each post kind syndicates slightly differently. Takes some mucking about
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[jgmac1106] But I have canoes full of tons of folks across dozens of tweets I capture with webmentions
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MarcoZDe Using TwentySixteen. Need to make sure the theme I use is accessible. Not all themes are.
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[jgmac1106] And it's cool because the archive view of previous and next makes it a book captured on my domain... Branches in threads break but my post linear
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[jgmac1106] My big worry with making only video tutorials
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[jgmac1106] Working on a text based version at same time
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]++
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MarcoZDe OK, back to sleep for a few more hours. Later!
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[chrisaldrich] Sorry GWG, I was off working on dinner...
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Dinner is good
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[chrisaldrich] Otherwise it's been outreach and an intro article on micropub to give to A List Apart.
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[chrisaldrich] Also some work on getting back to my microcast since I've got some new equipment.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Are you cheating on me with yourself?
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[matpacker] [jgmac1106]++
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[chrisaldrich] I'm waiting for someone to give me access to fanclub.shanske.com to build something out...
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: You'll have to talk to the domain administrator
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[chrisaldrich] The microcast is just modest practice and hopefully not so IWC centric.
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[chrisaldrich] Who is the administrator of shanske.com?
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[chrisaldrich] Nothing cute to say Loqi?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I was kidding.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I am of both.
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GWG shanske.com and shanske.us
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[chrisaldrich] Oh, I knew. I just expected something entering from Loqi
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GWG shanske.com is the family site. shanske.us is just mine.
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petermolnar disturbing question: how is the indieweb plugins compatibility with gutenberg?
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petermolnar from what I'm reading, it's getting close
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jgmac1106 I am not sure but [miklb] and [gwg] been tracking this
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jgmac1106 any ideas why this is pulling in an hcard from a comment rather than mine: http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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jgmac1106 …oooh maybe because this is a page it is not set up like an h-entry? but its where all my generic webmentions go?
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sknebel !mf2 http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Kaja____ https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fabout-me-2%2F
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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sknebel yeah, seems like it grabs the first mf2 object that looks like a post
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GWG We have not done anything with Gutenberg
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sknebel from a quick look at the code, it seems it can't identify your h-card as being the main thing and thus falls back to just looking for the first post, yes. I think if you had a rel=author to your homepage xray would find your h-card instead
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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jgmac1106 switched rel=“me” to rel=“author”….hmmm had it as u-uid, let me switch it to u-url
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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jgmac1106 grrrrrr…problem for another day
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sknebel you are missing a " at the begining of the h-card
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sknebel a class="p-name u-url href="https://jgregorymcverry.com" rel="author">
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sknebel after the u-url
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Loqi Greg McVerry
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/about-me-2/
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Loqi [john] Hi Greg, Not sure how you want the image to display, but I had a quick pass at this: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/flickr-faves/
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jgmac1106 good find, no dice
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sknebel hm, then I must have missed something in the source
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sknebel ah, yes, it does look for an h-card, but only to find other objects with the same author... guess that'd be a question for aaronpk if he wants x-ray to be able to handle pages like yours or what markup he'd recommend
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sknebel (x-ray is https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay, the library Loqi uses for these lookups)
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Loqi [aaronpk] XRay: X-Ray returns structured data from any URL
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jgmac1106 thx [sknebel]
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jgmac1106 but I can hold it up as a correctly formated example for my students?
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jgmac1106 They don’t need to know it doesn;t work in the parser
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sknebel I'm not quite sure what the conventions are for such detailed author pages. one thing that's clearly wrong is that you have "url" properties saying "Twitter", "GitHub","Micro.blog"
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jgmac1106 I keep gettign different advice, yesterday people told me to add u-url to all my social media links
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MarcoZDe Hi folks! OK, so got my first hickup. I posted this status earlier: Post format is Status, post Kind is Note, Bridgy was supposed to post it to Twitter, linkback set to Show (the default): https://blog.marco-zehe.de/2018/07/25/206/
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jgmac1106 [sknebel] thx, I may not want to lose all data the bridgytwitter app has, think I need to spin up another blog or grab somebody who has never set up bridgy before
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Loqi OMG, wir haben es geschafft, Tickets für Kylie Minogue im November in Hamburg zu bekommen! Seid gewarnt, an dem Tag werde ich wieder 15 sein! 😀
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jgmac1106 https://twitter.com/MarcoZehe/status/1022071813424271360
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@MarcoZehe OMG, wir haben es geschafft, Tickets für Kylie Minogue im November in Hamburg zu bekommen! Seid gewarnt, an dem Tag werde ich wieder 15 sein! 😀 (https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter) (twitter.com/_/status/1022071813424271360)
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sknebel jgmac1106: no, you have url properties that literally say "Twitter" instead of your twitter profile url
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MarcoZDe The resulting tweet has a funny URL in it pointing to Bridgy, which gives a message "Nothing to see here": https://twitter.com/MarcoZehe/status/1022071813424271360
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@MarcoZehe OMG, wir haben es geschafft, Tickets für Kylie Minogue im November in Hamburg zu bekommen! Seid gewarnt, an dem Tag werde ich wieder 15 sein! 😀 (https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter) (twitter.com/_/status/1022071813424271360)
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jgmac1106 …i swear WordPress randomly strips things
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jgmac1106 <a class="u-url" "https://twitter.com/jgmac1106" rel="me">Twitter</a>
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MarcoZDe If I then look on my Twitter user page, I see a bunch of errors relating to this post, that replies I got on Twitter, likes I received for the tweet, could not be sent back to my blog. Previously, however, I had received web mentions there, for older tweets and mentions. Any idea what's going on?
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jgmac1106 [MarcoZDe] I am looking now
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jgmac1106 [sknebel] that looks proper
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donblanco @jgmac1106 that's an odd a-href
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jgmac1106 ha ha
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jgmac1106 well that bonehead mistake is fixed, thx
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donblanco so I finally fixed yesterday's issue w/ h-card - gave up and made a separate home page w/ all identity stuff. Indiewebify.me likes everything now.
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donblanco just hand-coded all the basics into the page.
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MarcoZDe jgmac1106: Thanks! Let me know if you need any more information. The blog uses all the recommended plugins except the Location one, and it uses TwentySixteen.
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donblanco I also bypassed yesterday's issue w/ the IndieWeb 2016 theme by just using 2017 w/ the rel=me widget in the footer.
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GWG donblanco: Feel free to file an issue about the Indieweb 2016 theme
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GWG I use it myself and would fix any markup issues
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donblanco @GWG I'm not sure it was the theme exactly - there is a byline in the sidebar, but it is display:none so you can't see it but it gets parsed
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donblanco only for classes .sticky and .posted-on is it set to display:none - a bit beyond my WP knowledge
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[jgmac1106] @donblanco were you able to test if removing the recent comments widget resolved the issue? Just want to know for our notes
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[jgmac1106] Also with the 2017 make sure to activate the microformats plugin. That is no guarantee the mark up of your posts will be correct.
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: Did anything turn up w.r.t. my post and tweet from above?
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dougbeal MarcoZDe: it looks like you just have a syndication link to your twitter profile. If you use the "Bridgy Publish To->Twitter" checkbox (or the submit post on your bridgy page), it should update your post with the tweet syndication link.
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dougbeal MarcoZDe: If you manually update the link to the actual tweet, you should be able to retry the replies
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MarcoZDe dougbeal: Now I am confused. In the syndication links (when I edit that post), I do have a link to the full Twitter status update. It was inserted there automatically after I published the post for the first time. I thought that was enough? I even copied the status link from the post's "also published on" section via the right-click menu which I then pasted above. So... What's wrong? I don't understand.
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jhsheridan Hi Indieweb... hoping to get a little guidance on using OwnYourGram if anyone else here is using the service
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Loqi jhsheridan: [chrisaldrich] left you a message on 2018-06-07 at 8:34pm UTC: for some Post Kinds Plugin and theming help take a peek at https://boffosocko.com/2017/08/11/post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/ and https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/06/manually-adding-a-new-post-kind-to-the-post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/ in addition to the most recent podcast episode that [jgmac1106] mentioned.
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jhsheridan As I'm going through the signup process on OwnYourGram.com, I'm getting stuck on the Test Post part of the process. I'm sure it's something simple I'm missing out on here, but I'm just hoping someone can point me in the right direction
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jhsheridan This is the error I'm getting: "There was an error posting the photo to your website. Please check that you're handling the expected parameters and returning the "Location" header and try again."
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jhsheridan and this is the raw response the service it getting from my site: "HTTP/1.1 100 Continue
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jhsheridan Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:29:18 GMT
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jhsheridan Content-Type: application/json; charset=UTF-8
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jhsheridan Server: nginx/1.10.3 (Ubuntu)
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jhsheridan HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized
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jhsheridan Transfer-Encoding: chunked
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jhsheridan Connection: keep-alive
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jhsheridan Link: <https://www.jhsheridan.com/wp-json/indieauth/1.0/token>; rel="token_endpoint"
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jhsheridan Link: <https://www.jhsheridan.com/?micropub=endpoint>; rel="micropub"
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jhsheridan Link: <https://www.jhsheridan.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint>; rel="webmention"
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jhsheridan Link: <https://www.jhsheridan.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint>; rel="http://webmention.org/"
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jhsheridan "Unauthorized""
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MarcoZDe dougbeal: Confirmed, the syndication link for the post definitely already points to the Twitter status. https://twitter.com/MarcoZehe/status/1022071813424271360
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@MarcoZehe OMG, wir haben es geschafft, Tickets für Kylie Minogue im November in Hamburg zu bekommen! Seid gewarnt, an dem Tag werde ich wieder 15 sein! 😀 (https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter) (twitter.com/_/status/1022071813424271360)
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sknebel I poked bridgy to parse your site, it's problem is that it doesn't find your posts because they have no permalinks marked up with "u-url" on your homepage
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MarcoZDe sknebel: I'm sorry, but I don't even know what that means. I set up this blog as I did my other two, and where web mentions are working. I don't remember doing anything different. What could be the cause for this thing to be missing?
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sknebel MarcoZDe: that's a question for someone who knows about wordpress, which I don't really
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MarcoZDe sknebel: OK, thanks for checking anyway! I am totally stumped, since even the theme I am using is the same on all three blogs, on two it is working, and on this one it is not. And I have absolutely no idea why, since I did set them up identically, or so I think at least.
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sknebel one thing is that bridgy only needs them when there is no backlink (which failed for whatever reason) in the tweet, if there is one it can just use that to find the original post
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MarcoZDe sknebel: Yes I noticed that the link in the resulting Tweet is totally bogus. I don't know what happened, was my first try. Previous web mentions on the other two blogs were from already existing tweets that the crawler found and correctly sorted out the permalinks. This was my first try at publishing with the Bridgy publisher, and it promptly gave me this bogus link.
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jhsheridan may be better to bring up this issues here snarfed. I posted the full error messsages above
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snarfed yeah i see
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snarfed other people have the same problem. i think GWG's been working on it on and off, but also on other things. we need to pause work on the other refactorings, sort this out first, and push out a new release that fixes it
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jhsheridan I see
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jhsheridan maybe I'll just plug along with the things that don't require Micropub until then
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jhsheridan thanks for your help
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snarfed apologies again!
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snarfed jhsheridan: it would definitely help if you can be around to help us debug! i think part of GWG's problem is that he can't reproduce it himself
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jhsheridan no need to apologize. I appreciate the fact that the plugin even exists.
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snarfed maybe file a new issue and cc him? or ping him on email or twitter or wherever? https://david.shanske.com/
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jhsheridan I can definitely be around to help. I want to contribute to indieweb however I can, but there's just so many concepts to wrap my head around as it is
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jhsheridan cool I will ping him
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snarfed hah, i know the feeling
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snarfed thank you!
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[jgmac1106] Amanda Rush++
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[jgmac1106] for the screenreader plugin tutorials
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MarcoZDe [jgmac1106]: Amanda rocks!
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GWG Part of the reason I wanted to rewrite the authorization part of the Micropub plugin was to surface more errors to try to troubleshoot
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GWG [snarfed]: Did that individual leave a contact? I guess I need to find my Twitter password
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jgmac1106 [MarcoZDE] yeah I messed up her chat-name for kudos
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MarcoZDe jgmac1106: Heh, a problem between Slack and IRC? ;)
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MarcoZDe So... Sorry for keeping to come back to this, but is this thing where Bridgy doesn't get the proper post URL some kind of known problem? Before I try again (and spam a selected Twitter timeline), I'd like to know if I'm missing something. If anyone is here who knows, or even the creator(s) of Bridgy themselves... I'd like to know, and possibly help troubleshoot the problem, if you're interested.
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jgmac1106 [MarcoZDe] If 100% performance is required for accessibility Bridgy…and more the beast that is WordPress may make it difficult.
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jgmac1106 I started a spreadsheet to track how each post kind interacts with Twitter publishing through Bridgy but I know [GWG] has it in his road map so I hit pause
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sknebel MarcoZDe: do you have the microformats plugin installeD?
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MarcoZDe sknebel: Yes.
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sknebel because a bunch of markup seems to be missing
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sknebel that's odd then
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jgmac1106 he should not
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jgmac1106 He is using 2016 IndieWeb I think, this has native microformats, installing the plugin could lead to injection of extra
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sknebel is that the indieweb variant of the theme?
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MarcoZDe jgmac1106: I do have 2016, and I have the Indiewb plugin, but I don't have an Indieweb theme installed, at least not consciously. I thought I had the standard old TwentySixteen.
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jgmac1106 yeah…..that is risky
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MarcoZDe At least I didn't install a new theme recently, this theme has been on my blog for months, if not over a year.
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jackjamieson MarcoZDe: That's probably the problem. The 2016 IndieWeb theme should work and otherwise behave the same as standard 2016
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jgmac1106 the microformats plugin doesn’t work.
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jackjamieson I recently switched to the 2016 IndieWeb theme on my website and it's working as expected: https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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jgmac1106 I have come to conlcusion that you explain to people they have a few choices: A:) Use one of the four themes, B:) Install your microblog IndieWebs WP stuff on a different subdomain, C:) or use a platform like Known or micro.blog
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jgmac1106 Here is a draft guide I am working as I do some very loose UX work as people try IndieWeb: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners
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MarcoZDe Amanda just recommended I install the Zenpress theme by Pfefferle. I didn't see the indieweb-flavored TwentySixteen mentioned in the WordPress section that I used to get up and running. Sigh, will hunt for it, then...
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jgmac1106 You can’t only GitHub
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jgmac1106 https://github.com/pfefferle/ZenPress
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jackjamieson MarcoZDe The IndieWeb 2016 theme is here: https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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Loqi [pfefferle] ZenPress: ZenPress is a highly semantic, responsive, accessible and search engine optimized WordPress Theme. It provides HTML5 templates refined with microformats, microformats v2 and microdata (Schema.org). ZenPress supports a lot of OpenWeb plugins and is fully IndieWeb compatible.
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jgmac1106 wait he is in Wordpress.org I think
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jgmac1106 ….haven’t gotten to that Theme yet in my tutorials
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jgmac1106 Here is the SemPress page..still a stub: https://indieweb.org/SemPress
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MarcoZDe Oh gosh, I hate having to pull things from Github to install them. :(
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jackjamieson MarcoZDe, I know what you mean
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sknebel since it seems a bunch of people use it successfully, maybe worth putting it somewhere else too? or at least keep direct links in the wiki?
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jgmac1106 There are links on the wiki. The Getiing Started Page IMO just needs the IndieMark stuff removed, trying to rewrite it
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jgmac1106 Getting Started should just be about “Getting Started"
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jgmac1106 the theme maintainers find the theme approval process too cumbersome to have them on Wordpress.org
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jgmac1106 if anyone is good at sheparding that process I am sure help would be welcome
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sknebel ah :/
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sknebel could at least directly link to .zip files for the themes instead of sending people through github UI?
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jgmac1106 every WP page is also supposed to have this table: https://indieweb.org/WordPress
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jgmac1106 ggod idea [sknebel]
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sknebel at least according to that, the twentysixteen fork doesn't have a wiki page yet?
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jgmac1106 I did do that here: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners to 2016…I was thinking of taking each theme description I am writing and making sure each them has an article using that structure
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sknebel sounds good!
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jgmac1106 [MarcoZDE] [Pfefferle] Would love to document the accessibility features that SemPress may contain
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MarcoZDe jgmac1106: Hm, SemPress, or what Pfefferle has forked, ZenPress? I don't know either of those yet, so... Amanda just recommended it as accessibility-ready, so she might have more insights.
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jgmac1106 ….I meant after you play for awhile. I wouldn’t know how to write an accessibility-ready section
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jgmac1106 or Amanda, contribution from either of you would be amazing
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MarcoZDe OK... How does https://blog.marco-zehe.de/ look now? I disabled the MF2 plugin and activated Pfefferle's ZenPress theme. And I am now going to be brave and post another status update. ;)
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jackjami_ As far as I can see, it looks good :)
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MarcoZDe Ah, slowly getting there. The resulting tweet now has the right permalink, but for the text, it pulled in the items from the Shariff sharing buttons. ;) https://twitter.com/MarcoZehe/status/1022185978059005952
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@MarcoZehe Uff, heute war es sehr warm. Und dann kühlte es rasant ab, als es in Hamburg regnete. Und jetzt heizt es sich sehr feucht wieder auf. Uff!Teile diesen Beitragteilen twittern  teilen  teilen teilen teilen teilen  mitteilen  pocket e-mail (https://blog.marco-zehe.de/2018/07/25/209/) (twitter.com/_/status/1022185978059005952)
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jackjami_ Hmm, I didn't see those before (I just looked at the index). I'm not sure of an easy way to address that without changing the sharing buttons plugin. Problem is the button are inserted into the same div as the content, so Bridgy can't tell them apart
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MarcoZDe jackjamieson: Oh interesting. Is there a Microformat for this that could help Bridgy here?
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jackjamieson Unfortunately, I don't know :/
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MarcoZDe What does one have to do to become a "voiced" member here? :) Just curious.
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dougbeal What is Getting Started
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Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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dougbeal Instructions on the wiki
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dougbeal MarcoZDe: you can customize the tweet text using the excerpt field
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jackjamieson MarcoZDe, to add to dougbeal you can set an option in the bridgy plugin to "Set Twitter from Post Excerpt"
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dougbeal jackjamieson: oh right, forgot you had to turn it on first :)
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jackjamieson From the wordpress dashboard: IndieWeb->Bridgy->"Set Twitter from Post Excerpt"
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MarcoZDe dougbeal: Aha, interesting... Thanks! And one more step I need to take if I want to quickly publish something. Hm. This is fun, but also baffling. ;)
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jackjamieson dougbeal I forgot the option existed altogether! Enabled it ages ago and having touched the setting since :)
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jackjamieson MarcoZDe: It shouldn't take an extra step, actually, once you set that option. You could choose to customize the excerpt if you want, but otherwise it should be generated automatically
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MarcoZDe jackjamieson: Thanks! Would probably have fallen into that trap. :)
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MarcoZDe Oh, really, does the excerpt get a copy of the body text?
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snarfed hey MarcoZDe, you've seen that you can preview on bridgy, to see what it will do, before actually tweeting, right?
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MarcoZDe OK, calling it a night (am in Europe). Will tinker more tomorrow. Thank you all!
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jackjamieson Have a good night MarcoZDe!
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MarcoZDe snarfed: No, I have not. How would I do that if I haven't even published the post yet?
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dougbeal bridgy has to interpert the post otherwise
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sknebel MarcoZDe: what shariff plugin are you using?
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snarfed MarcoZDe: yes, true, you'd have to publish the post on your site first
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snarfed the preview UI is on your user page on https://brid.gy/
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MarcoZDe snarfed: Oh is that the thing where you can paste an URL and hit "Discover"? I thought this would start the publishing thing, I wasn't aware that this is a preview.
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snarfed nah, discover is different. the preview UI is on the right side. (or "below" if you're using a screen reader)
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MarcoZDe snarfed: So as long as I don't have a feel for how things work, I would go publish with the Bridgy publishing checkbox unchecked, then preview on Bridgy, and if that works, check the box while editing my post and hit Update?
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snarfed the preview UI label is "Enter post URL:"
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snarfed MarcoZDe: probably? i'm not that familiar with the wordpress plugin, but sounds reasonable
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MarcoZDe snarfed: Thanks, will give that a go tomorrow. For tonight, my brain is fried. ;) See you all tomorrow!
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snarfed gl!
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dougbeal MarcoZDe: you can also just hit post from the Bridgy UI, if you are going there to perview it
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MarcoZDe dougbeal: OK!
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donblanco so I have Ryan Barrett's Micropub plugin installed, but I can't pass any tests at Micropub.rocks
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donblanco test 100 - Create an h-entry post returns "insufficient scope"
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dougbeal donblanco: did you install the IndieAuth plugin as well?
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donblanco @dougbeal Yes, I have that installed
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donblanco While I'm at it, I have the Post Kind plugin installed - trying to figure out how to import my GoodReads csv file, but all option seem to require 'pro' upgrades. :(
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jackjamieson donblanco: re: IndieAuth, there was an update to the plugin recently that addressed some authorization issues. Not sure if your issue is the same, but updating indieauth might help
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jackjamieson And re: the post kind plugin, do you mean 'pro' upgrades within the plugin or in goodreads?
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donblanco pro upgrades in all wp csv importer plugins
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donblanco IndieAuth plugin is at 3.1.1 which appears to be most recent
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jackjamieson Got it, in that case it might be possible to troubleshoot by falling back to using indieauth.com
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donblanco never used indieauth.com before - I suppose I would need to deactivate the IndieAuth plugin?
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jackjamieson Yep - fortunately indieauth.com is fairly quick to set up
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sknebel donblanco: is "insufficient scope" all you get?
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donblanco using IndieAuth.com I get this error on Micropub.rocks when trying to do test 100 - create an h-entry post
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donblanco "invalid access token: {\"error\":\"unauthorized\",\"error_description\":\"The token provided was malformed\"}"
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donblanco and I authorized using github, the only 'authorized' provider that I have any 'rel=me' links to/from
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[matpacker] Morning All!
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donblanco good afternoon
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jackjamieson Good morning [matpacker]!
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jackjamieson donblanco: I'm running out of ideas, but other folks here can probably be more help
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donblanco Thanks - I've tried two themes as well.
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jackjamieson Are you able to log into any other indieauth services (e.g. log in to indieweb.org, indiepaper.io)?
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gRegorLove donblanco, what's your site?
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gRegorLove (Wanted to check the endpoints being advertised by your site)
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donblanco @jackjamieson yes, logged in to other services before. Results are inconsistent, though
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donblanco @gRegorLove https://glenn.thedixons.net
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gRegorLove indieauth.com for both authorization_endpoint and token_endpoint looks good.
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gRegorLove Can you try logging in to indielogin.com?
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jackjamieson I've got to go offline, bye everyone, and good luck, donblanco
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tantek is there a "This Day In History" wordpress plugin which gives you "On This Day" functionality?
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tantek e.g. this site: ghacks.net appears to have it at the bottom of the home page and every article, and it's a WordPress blog
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donblanco @gRegorLove - yep, successful
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donblanco @gRegorLove - is it possible that micropub.rocks had cached something? I used a different email, and now tests are working
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sknebel had you logged in again?
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sknebel although even then it's possible it had something stored in your session or so that didn't match
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donblanco seems to have required both changing auth source as well as 'starting over' on micropub.rocks
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donblanco well well - also managed to get Indigenous reader working! Double success.
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gRegorLove donblanco, glad it's working. Yeah, maybe micropub.rocks had different endpoints from before you disabled WP IndieAuth plugin.
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[matpacker] I think I've finally caught up on all the overnight threads, something jumped out at me though.
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[matpacker] From what I could glean, if you're using the Twenty Sixteen Indieweb WP theme, then you don't need to use the Post Kinds plugin?
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[matpacker] Sorry, the Microformats plugin
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tantek that sounds right
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GWG Did someone say Insufficient Scope?
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/pull/89
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Loqi [dshanske] #89 Fix scope encoding
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GWG Waiting for a review
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[matpacker] I'm wondering if that's what's causing me dramas with validating endpoints and what not.... Going to start the process of setting up my WP install to IndieWeb this morning all fresh.
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GWG [matpacker]: I wrote the Twenty Sixteen Indieweb WP Theme to work with Post Kinds.
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[matpacker] GWG: I meant to say microformats, sorry.
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donblanco I will try switching back to IndieAuth plugin later (movie/TV night)
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GWG donblanco: You might want to use that fixed version
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GWG Due the scope issue
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GWG I need to find a reviewer
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[matpacker] Dang, that didn't work.
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[matpacker] So, I can authorise with IndieAuth, micro.blog, and Aperture. I can post from micro.blog to my WP install...but I can't post from Indigenous / Monocle.
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GWG [matpacker]: Do me a favor? Go into your user profile and tell me what your user_url says?
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[dougbeal] GWG: does the bug cause the scope to be sent urp encoded?
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GWG The website URL for your profile
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GWG [dougbeal]: Yes
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GWG I need a reviewer to merge
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GWG The last merge introduced it
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[dougbeal] GWG: it looks fine to me, not sure my approval means anything?
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[matpacker] GWG: https://matpacker.com
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GWG [dougbeal]: An approved reviewer. I'm not sure you are one.
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GWG [matpacker]: And that is what your profile says as well?
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[matpacker] GWG: correct
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GWG [matpacker]: So, that eliminates one common issue.
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GWG Can you try logging in using your author post URL?
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[matpacker] Like this - https://matpacker.com/author/matpacker/
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GWG Yes
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GWG I'm running down a few possibilities in where things might be failing in the code
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GWG The IndieAuth plugin can use the author profile.
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GWG The Micropub plugin, which uses IndieAuth.com, doesn't have that capability...yet
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[matpacker] GWG: I get a different error, from Monocle - indieauth_error
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GWG [matpacker]: The IndieAuth plugin is enabled?
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[matpacker] correct
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[matpacker] GWG: would you like an account on my site, might be faster to trouble shoot?
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GWG [matpacker]: Will give it a shot.
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GWG You can delete it.
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[matpacker] Cool, what email address you want me to send details to?
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dougbeal GWG: we should add a test that would catch the scope encoding bug, as well
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dougbeal GWG: I can do it if you like, want to do some testing as part of HWC
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GWG dougbeal: I'm working on tests for Micropub. I intend to do IndieAuth unit testing next. It needs more. It only has a few
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GWG [matpacker]: My email address is myfirstname@mylastname.com
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GWG dougbeal: I just have not been able to isolate this bug.
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GWG Writing the unit tests for Micropub is teaching me a lot.
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GWG I attribute it to [snarfed]'s unit testing enthuasiasm
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GWG snarfed++
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dougbeal testing++
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[matpacker] GWG: hopefully you just received an invite
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GWG [matpacker]: Not yet
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[matpacker] GWG: are you on Slack or IRC?
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GWG [matpacker]: Both. Usually IRC. But I have the Slack chat on my phone