#wordpress 2018-11-05

2018-11-05 UTC
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[jgmac1106] !tell chrisaldrich I can't advance your slides in Chrome
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] the down arrow or right /left arrows don't work? You should also be able to click on the screen to advance them. I presented it in chrome so I know it should work.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 hour, 29 minutes ago: I can't advance your slides in Chrome
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[jgmac1106] weird I had no arrows will try agaon
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GWG There were slides?
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[jgmac1106] https://boffosocko.com/research/presentations/wordpress-and-indieweb/#1 but I get no buttons for some weird reason
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aaronpk That really doesn't work on an iPhone either
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[pfefferle] [chrisaldrich] was your presentation also recorded?
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GWG Hi, pfefferle
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[pfefferle] hey GWG
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jeremycherfas It does say video to come.
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GWG Trying to decide what to do next
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GWG Maybe I should fix some stuff
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[jgmac1106] Gallery display of photo archive with UI for curating collectios
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[jgmac1106] Check XML/RSS for each post kind in 2016 IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] ... Or get the theme approved and in WP.org
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GWG I need to fix photo posting before I do photo archives
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[pfefferle] which theme?
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[pfefferle] [jeremycherfas] ok, thanks
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[pfefferle] there is a new readme standard for themes btw. https://make.wordpress.org/themes/2015/04/29/a-revised-readme/
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GWG pfefferle, any theme. But more mf2 themes
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[pfefferle] ah, more a general thing “build and release a mf2 theme” ?
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[pfefferle] or this one https://github.com/dshanske/twentysixteen-indieweb ???
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Loqi [dshanske] twentysixteen-indieweb: Indieweb Fork of WordPress Twenty Sixteen Theme
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GWG I think that is the one he is thinking of
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GWG Or a fork of Independent Publisher
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[kevinmarks] you can swipe between slides on the phone with reveal.js
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[kevinmarks] If you want code to look at
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GWG I would like to do an archive view for photos
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[eddie] How do you imagine an archive view for photos, GWG?
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[eddie] Do you imagine it like a big gallery?
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[eddie] or having rows of photos grouped under a month/year?
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GWG Basically a grid of photo posts
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GWG I need to hack WordPress a bit for that though
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[jgmac1106] I think that makes the most since, lot of people go back to their old themes because they want to make galleries.
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[jgmac1106] I haven't been owning my photos cuz it PITA but here is my archive view: https://jgregorymcverry.com/photos/....need to make them all featured images to display correctly
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[jgmac1106] but I think you want to be able to group photos into galleries (collections) and also have a generic grid by month/year
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GWG I need to add kind date templates to post kinds
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[pfefferle] mastodon just released a “gallery” mastodon.social/gallery
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GWG I have too many goals. But photo and location related improvements are high because I like trip reports
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GWG So maybe I will start.
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[chrisaldrich] [pfefferle] they did tape the talk, but I'm not sure when it will get edited and released. Two weeks perhaps?
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[pfefferle] ok, thanks for the info… I am curious 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] The trouble with giving a talk about indieweb was that I felt guilty about not having it on my own site :)
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[pfefferle] 😄
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[pfefferle] hmmmm… a slideshow plugin…
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[pfefferle] shouldn’t be that difficult
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[chrisaldrich] Suppose I should posse it somewhere with more UI support.
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[chrisaldrich] The problem with common UI is choosing among 57 plugins...
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[pfefferle] true
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[pfefferle] I liked reveal.js very much
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[chrisaldrich] And the large number of semantic uses of what constitutes a slide show
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] have you not seen the SPLOT slideshows @cogdog has made
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[jgmac1106] each slide it is own post...super easy
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[pfefferle] and it shouldn’t be that complicated to map the js to a for example category and use blogposts/pages as slides…
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[jgmac1106] What is splotpoint?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "splotpoint" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "splotpoint is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[pfefferle] [jgmac1106] of there is already one? nice!
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[chrisaldrich] I haven't, [jgmac1106] but should take a look.
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[chrisaldrich] What is a slide show?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "slide show" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "slide show is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Aaronpk seemed to come up with a wiki thing for that
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[chrisaldrich] What is a slideshow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "slideshow" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "slideshow is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[pfefferle] hmmm… I like to use GitHub for that https://github.com/pfefferle/wcfra-2016-talk
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Loqi [pfefferle] wcfra-2016-talk: IndieWordPress - Mein Talk für das WordCamp Frankfurt (2016)
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[pfefferle] nice to have a repo and to run it directly with github pages
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[jgmac1106] Splotpoint is a [ https://github.com/cogdog/splotpoint SplotPoint Wordpress] Theme that can be used to deliver presentations on the web, without any residue of commercial slideware. presentations not only look good, they also become the reference resource (e.g. additional links and info) Splotpoint was developed by Alan Levine a series of custom sites ly and has now been generalized as part of the collection of SPLOT tools.
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [cogdog] splotpoint: A Wordpress-theme SPLOT for presenting the SPLOT Way (on the web)
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[chrisaldrich] I feel like the end of the talk got a bit rushed. Perhaps I'll record an audio track voice over to go with the slides...
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[pfefferle] also a nice idea!
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[chrisaldrich] Do any silos like slideshare have UI like that?
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GWG If I add date based archives to my post kinds how would 2018/photo look?
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[pfefferle] is it possible to generate wordpress galleries on the fly? to use their UI/HTML output?
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GWG Actually, I do that in Post Kinds
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GWG https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/functions/gallery_shortcode/
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GWG I abstract it as I may someday need to write my own
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[chrisaldrich] Google photos and Flickr have some nice looking archives that could be used as examples. I also always liked the way that Jetpack does their galleries. I'll dig up the settings when I'm back at the office.
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GWG This is a multipart issue
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GWG To do it right
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[pfefferle] 🙂
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[pfefferle] So much todo, so little time ;)
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GWG pfefferle, my offer to sit down with you and work on things stands
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[pfefferle] Thanks, but we have different thing in focus I think...
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GWG pfefferle, still would welcome the chance someday
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[pfefferle] 😊
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GWG But we overlap even if we aren't exactly together on everything
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GWG We agree on many things
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[pfefferle] I hope I will be able to attend some IndieWebCamps next year
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[pfefferle] Sure, good point
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[pfefferle] Sorry that I won‘t be able to attend Berlin this year
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GWG It ended yesterday
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GWG I am in Berlin now
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GWG I will see about next time too
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GWG I loved meeting some of the European Indieweb people
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[pfefferle] I know, I followed most of the streams
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[pfefferle] Yea, I am a bit sad that I couldn‘t make it
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GWG pfefferle, I mentioned you many times
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[pfefferle] Even a colleague from university attended :)
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[pfefferle] ☺
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GWG Someone asked why we don't combine Indieauth and Micropub
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GWG I don't know what to do about the suggestions of merging any plugins
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[pfefferle] Please din‘t ask me 😄
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[pfefferle] One short answer how will it be called? And if it’s still micropub, what about the users that search for indieauth?
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GWG [pfefferle]: I just wanted your opinion on if combining things makes sense in the long term
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GWG That is why I'm reluctant.
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GWG It would be easier to maintain if I there weren't two indieauth clients...one inside each plugin, but...
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[pfefferle] has to translate reluctant
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[pfefferle] Ah
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GWG widerwillig according to Google
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GWG Is there a scenario where you'd want one without the other?
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[pfefferle] The modern way to build services is to use microservices and to avoid big code monoliths
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[pfefferle] Sure, I use IndieAuth and does not use micropub
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GWG And some people use Micropub without IndieAuth...using IndieAuth.com
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GWG Back to why I thought about it, but didn't try to do it.
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[pfefferle] ☺
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[pfefferle] But merging them does not mean that it is more usable per se
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[pfefferle] If we have a usability problem, I think it can be fixed in other ways
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GWG Well, I'd like to see more services use the IndieAuth endpoint
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[pfefferle] One more point to not bundle it with micropub
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GWG [pfefferle]: What do you think it needs to be better? I gave it the ability to manage tokens and issue tokens manually.
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GWG I think we've knocked down all the bugs I can find
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[pfefferle] Nothing atm. It fits all my needs
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GWG Which is great
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[pfefferle] 👍
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GWG Mine too
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GWG What about webmentions and semantic linkbacks? Anything you've been thinking?
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[pfefferle] I would love to merge both
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[pfefferle] But I hate the SL code
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[pfefferle] It is inconsistent, grown over time, ...
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GWG How can we redo it?
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[pfefferle] No idea ☺
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[pfefferle] On the other hand... it works
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[pfefferle] That makes it hard to motivate for a rework
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GWG [pfefferle]: Comment Types?
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[pfefferle] Yes
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[pfefferle] We should ask Matt if he would hire us to do OpenWeb/IndieWeb/Federated WordPress stuff 😉
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GWG [pfefferle]: Does Matt care about such things?
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GWG They aren't Gutenbergy
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Loqi it is probable
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[pfefferle] Hmm, is one of the microformats founders
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[pfefferle] So probably
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GWG Yes, but things have changed
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GWG I was feeling more optimistic about ClassicPress
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[pfefferle] 😄
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GWG They seem like they want to be different.
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GWG But, either way, it would be a big project to reimagine it
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[pfefferle] Jabari tried that years ago http://habariproject.org/en/
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[pfefferle] Habari
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[pfefferle] ClassicPress will fail, when they will be incompatible with WordPress
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GWG Quite possibly.
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[pfefferle] They have to build a Plugin/theme community from skratch
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[pfefferle] Not that easy
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GWG But what I would like to do is continuing iterating on everything
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[pfefferle] And I do not think they will be more open to IndieWeb stuff than wordpress
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GWG I've done that in all plugins...starting to abstract out the pieces
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[jgmac1106] I also intrigued by the proposal of using property="u-reply-of" similar to RDFa and Open Graph....much of our problems arise with styling or stripping mf2 and old mf1
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[chrisaldrich] Keeping things smaller and in bite-sized pieces makes it easier for core to consider merging pieces in.
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[jgmac1106] yes....each building block a separate plugin, used to believe in one plugin to rule them all...but that makes no sense
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[chrisaldrich] I would think that the broader ecosystem would benefit a lot from indie auth and things that could be built from it.
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[chrisaldrich] Webmentions are likely to require full vouch support before core would consider it.
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jeremycherfas I'm tentatively talking to one of the people involved with WP Classic, thanks to a prod from [jgmac1106] and he is just finding out about IndieWeb. I'm hoping to meet with him first, and then see whether the WP Rome meetup wants to hear about it.
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jeremycherfas If they do, I will shamelessly re-use [chrisaldrich] slides
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[jgmac1106] Danielle is awesome...glad you connected...had no idea he hadn't heard about IndieWeb
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[chrisaldrich] I'll help you add to and improve them if you like. The could use fewer words and more graphics... ;)
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jeremycherfas Well, he may have heard of it, but my email prompted him to look a bit more.
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jeremycherfas When the need arises ...
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[jgmac1106] yep...and one step closer to me going to IEC-Rome
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[jgmac1106] IWC*
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jeremycherfas There's a meetup next week. I'll go an keep a watching brief.
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jeremycherfas My first goal is HWC Rome.
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[jgmac1106] yes of course
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[chrisaldrich] Reminds me I should put a CC0 license on those slides.
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[jgmac1106] in New Haven I am even starting with a meet-up
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jeremycherfas Primary communication channel is a FB page -- which doesn't thrill me.
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jeremycherfas Cute logo though ... https://www.facebook.com/wproma/
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[jgmac1106] maybe we even get a l10n effort of the wiki around Italian...community is awesomely native tongue first
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[chrisaldrich] If you like [jeremycherfas] I think I've got the slides in text format if it makes cutting and pasting easier.
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jeremycherfas When the time comes.
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[chrisaldrich] We should do a NaNoWriMo push to finish up the rewrite on getting started on WP pages
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[chrisaldrich] Where is your wiki page text [jgmac1106]?
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Loqi I agree
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GWG I am getting reports that Syndication Links is messing up Indieauth. I don't even know how that is possible
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[pfefferle] Weird
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners
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[jgmac1106] I am happy to make a Dec 1 goal of a rewritten WP getting-started page...give [asuh] and [jackjamieson] time before we start trying to overhaul Independent Publisher theme
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[Khurt] Sigh. Stuck. Webmentions not working (again) on my WordPress website. Tested here: https://webmention.rocks/update/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Update Test #1
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