#wordpress 2018-12-11
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[jgmac1106] no..just trying to recreate [johnjohnston] workfolow..it would work for us but not the masses

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cjwillcock I ran up against Semantic Linkbacks during theme work today -- there is a filter to switch back to the default (built-in WP) html5 comments, but nothing that helps me switch back to _my theme's_ comment walker.
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cjwillcock This is not a complaint :)
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cjwillcock I'm sure I want functionality from the plugin, also that I don't want to rebuild all of that effort from GWG and pfefferle
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cjwillcock I'll dive into it later on, but for now it's getting disabled
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cjwillcock I'd support that early in new year
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cjwillcock support / participate
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[asuh] cjwillcock: I think we ran into the same problem and I created an issue here: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/158

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cjwillcock asuh: exactly the same situation
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cjwillcock plugin seems to be ideal in the absence of a theme developer, to bend the theme
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cjwillcock maybe a semantic-linkbacks-pro? ;)
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cjwillcock i only reviewed the plugin and that comment walker enough to see that there is _alot_ going on there.
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cjwillcock same here, it's mid-to-low priority for the moment
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cjwillcock strike that ... it's low
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[johnjohnston] [jgmac1106] thanks, TextMate works fine for me except for post kinds. I don’t know if anything is changed in XML-RPC afaik MarsEdit and micro.blog use it to post to WordPress. I can use AppleScript too and handle post kinds. TextMate just does everything else really well. DND images and upload for example. I can kick Gutenberg into the long grass too.

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[jgmac1106] What do you mean "except post kinds"

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[chrisaldrich] Does anyone use the Feed Importer for Micro.blog plugin? https://wordpress.org/plugins/feed-importer-micro-blog/

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[chrisaldrich] It looks like a PESOS solution, though one likely owns both domains.

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[jgmac1106] I looked at the tool and saw two template files. Is it a matter of making one workflow for each kind?

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[jgmac1106] No [chrisaldrich] especially since the activity pub stuff....and I always POSSE but could be way to Pesos some comments I leave there and not on my blog bc @ mentioning PITA

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Loqi ok, I added "https://wordpress.org/plugins/feed-importer-micro-blog/" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Micro.blog https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54590&oldid=51218

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[jgmac1106] ... And why not grab the h-feed.... #justsayin

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[chrisaldrich] Wow Loqi, that was an odd reaction... how did that happen?

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[johnjohnston] [jgmac1106] I mean I can’t use post kinds if I am posting via TextMate. I imagine it could be done by someone who knew some ruby. I tried copy-paste-edit some code in the bundles in a fairly random fashion. Nothing broke but nothing worked either.

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[asuh] [jgmac1106] I made a reply post to your article four days ago of a LiveJournal export tool I’ve used and contributed to but I’m not sure if you get the webmention https://asuh.com/reply-export-silo-into-wordpress/

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[pfefferle] Not really

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[pfefferle] Where have you found such a dump?

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[pfefferle] To which site?

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[pfefferle] And you got it as a response to your Webmention?

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[pfefferle] This is everything that should be returned https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/includes/class-webmention-receiver.php#L443

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[pfefferle] Then maybe debug data from the site owner

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[pfefferle] Yes

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[pfefferle] Oh, found something

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[pfefferle] Will have a look if I released that version

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[pfefferle] Otherwise there is a var_dump in semantic linkbacks

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[pfefferle] Thanks for the ping

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[pfefferle] It is not online 😞

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[pfefferle] Will release the latest changes if I arrived at work

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[pfefferle] Thanks

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[pfefferle] Do you habe an example?

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[pfefferle] Might be a broken microformats implementation

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[asuh] You can see them at the bottom on [jgmac1106]’s post: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/07/gonna-take-a-communbity-to-hold-that-back-scratcher-tumblr

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[pfefferle] your reply-context is part of the “content -> html” of the h-entry

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[pfefferle] that is why it is part of the comment on [jgmac1106] site

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[pfefferle] no, it parses the microformats

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[pfefferle] it works on davids page

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[pfefferle] but you have to ask [dshanske] about that… I do not use or know a lot about how the post-kinds plugin work

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[pfefferle] the difference is, that your reply-context is inside the `e-content`… on davids page it is above the `e-content`

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[pfefferle] 😉

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[pfefferle] no problem 😉

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[pfefferle] [asuh] nice and clean theme btw.

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[pfefferle] [asuh] [chrisaldrich] seems to have the same problem

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[pfefferle] so this might be a general problem with the reply context

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[pfefferle] from post-kinds

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[pfefferle] [asuh]++ nice!

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[pfefferle] david made some tweaks to his theme

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[pfefferle] he loads the `e-content` using a filter

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[pfefferle] but [raamdev] and I haven’t implemented it, because it might cause some other strange side effects and feels a bit hacky…

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[pfefferle] I experimented with a different hook, https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-reply-context

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[pfefferle] but this only works with properly implemented microformats

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[pfefferle] it uses the `loop_start` hook, so it loads above the post

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[pfefferle] 🙂

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[pfefferle] yes, it is not that easy…

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[pfefferle] at least for a CMS like wordpress, where you have to deal with different themes and different plugins

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[pfefferle] [aaronpk] semantic-linkbacks is updated

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[pfefferle] first: I did not want to sound mean… it is only a differnet opinion

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[pfefferle] I did not see any similarities to gutenberg, because it also only “writes” inside the content area

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[pfefferle] my 5 cents: we had to change something in themes to fix the problem… why not define an action between title and content to show the reply-context?

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[pfefferle] the action could also be added to the feed

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[pfefferle] and or as a separate item

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[pfefferle] sure

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[pfefferle] and as I said, it is cool that you solved it for your use cases/problems

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[pfefferle] the whole mf2 in wordpress discussion is frustrating 😞

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[pfefferle] 😉

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[pfefferle] but that is not really something that makes the mf2 issue worse

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GWG I thought it sort of confused this one. https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-micropub/issues/85
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[pfefferle] another solution is to add it to the `loop_start` hook… that is why I added the h-entry to the body in the single view

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[pfefferle] 🙂

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[pfefferle] good luck

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[pfefferle] ok

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[pfefferle] I haven’t found a nice microsub reader yet

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[pfefferle] so I really haven’t tested it

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[pfefferle] but how can you read it?

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[pfefferle] but I do not want to have my feed items in WordPress

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[pfefferle] 🙂

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[pfefferle] I fear that it slows down the site

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[pfefferle] yes, but he limited the items and does not support opml import yet

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[pfefferle] but do you want to remove read items?

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[pfefferle] thanks for the info [sknebel]

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[pfefferle] currently I have 2000+ unread items

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[pfefferle] valid!

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[pfefferle] [dshanske] and that is more than I have blogposts

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[pfefferle] but I love the idea of the plugin

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[pfefferle] perhaps I install a wordpress blog as stand alone reader

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[pfefferle] is parse this only available from github

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[pfefferle] ???

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[pfefferle] I have some ideas of parsing for the webmention plugin

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[pfefferle] build something similar for an old project…

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[pfefferle] does they share the same use-cases?

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[pfefferle] I do not see the need of *-Feed parsing for Webmentions

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[pfefferle] but OGP and twitter cards may be a nice fallback

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[pfefferle] but it generates dependencies and obsolete code!?!

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[pfefferle] wrong word?

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[pfefferle] unnecessary?

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[pfefferle] like simple pie

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[pfefferle] but the files are there

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[pfefferle] ???

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[pfefferle] a, simplepie?

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[pfefferle] no way 😄

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[pfefferle] sure, but I am not sure it follows the same usecases…

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[pfefferle] I think for webmentions we need to parse websemantics of all cases and perhaps add a diffing process… start with mf2 if iteams missing try to fille them with OGP, twitter cards, schema.org/microdata, JSON-LD, …

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[pfefferle] oh god… your issue is 3 years old…

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[jgmac1106] Automatic isn't stupid. Their reader experience is almost as good for us compared to microsub/micropub experience.

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[jgmac1106] 1,000x better for people who can't connect yet, but it a silo play. It locks you into Jetpack. WordPress.com is still a big ad network.

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[jgmac1106] Disgusts me to see my students blog about eating disorders and get body shaming ads

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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: better, than a filter bubble, where only positive echoes reach anyone, but this is -chat topic.

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petermolnar that's impressive

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petermolnar what's the database behind aperture?

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[jgmac1106] Emptied once a week?

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petermolnar aaronpk: you might want to split passed entries into an archive table in the future, just to make it sure the index column doesn't get too large on the active one

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petermolnar and that your innodb setup has decent memory allocated to it

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petermolnar hm

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petermolnar that certainly complicates things

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petermolnar oh

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petermolnar I thought we're in -dev, sorry :D

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jackjamieson Hi GWG, I ended up spending some time trying to get conditional requests to work - not exactly a top priority but it was bugging me. However it didn't pan out
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jackjamieson 1. I was only able to get etag and last-modified headers for rss/atom feeds - none of the microformats feeds returned them
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jackjamieson 2. Even when I added the conditions to the headers in Parse-This's fetch function, the page always returned with 200 OK
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jackjamieson I don't want to sink any more time into that right now so I just saved the attempt in a branch and I might look into it further later. Seemed like it's a bit more difficult than I expected, and not all that effective since, you're right, many sites don't send those headers
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jackjamieson A fun attempt but I'm putting it aside for now
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jackjamieson Yup, Websub is a must, and will make a larger difference
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jackjamieson Thanks sknebel, I'll note that for future reference
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petermolnar erm

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petermolnar actually, I should, I just forgot it :D

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petermolnar I'll keep it this way for now

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petermolnar sknebel: I never added xml to add cache to it, that's why

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petermolnar so yes, the behaviour is according to config

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jackjamieson GWG: I haven't - looking it up now
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jackjamieson Thanks GWG
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jackjamieson Hmmm, I still have to wrap my head around the best way to implement websub. I think I'll have to settle for adding it a bit down the road
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jackjamieson Yep, and it's very close to that
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jackjamieson Brainstorming is much appreciated! I'm noting it all down
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jackjamieson Otherwise, the remaining issues are pretty small
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jackjamieson Actually, you could work on that any time you like. Sorry I should have pinged you earlier - the only holdup on my end was that I wanted to clean up and standardize the code a bit, since it was messy
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jackjamieson But I've finished that so it should be easier to work on now
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jackjamieson Oh, one quick question - about having Yarns search for rss feeds directly (e.g. what happens when you enter "david.shanske.com/feeds/" in the search) - Did you see my notes about that? https://github.com/jackjamieson2/yarns-microsub-server/issues/23
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jackjamieson Okay, I have a solution I could implement in Yarns if you prefer that, but I think it makes sense to do it in Parse-This if possible
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jackjamieson Cool - oh, I was also going to ask if you have any updates about searching and parsing a site with multiple h-feeds (e.g. tantek.com) - I guess this is waiting on php-mf2 0.4.7, is that right?
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jackjamieson Ah, I see - that's a good solution
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jackjamieson Though I got a new php notice parsing tantek.com :( https://github.com/dshanske/parse-this/issues/29
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jackjamieson Thanks - I'll just keep testing - Maybe we can build some unit tests at some point. Yet another area that I don't really understand well, but want to learn when I get time!
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