#wordpress 2018-12-17

2018-12-17 UTC
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GWG cjwillcock: How does this look? https://tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screenshot-from-2018-12-16-18-59-12.png
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cjwillcock careful, I am very picky lol. Looks great GWG. just a little vertical alignment to sort out
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cjwillcock good choice on the sidebar metabox regardless of wp version.
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GWG I'm going to finish the build out and then tweak slightly more.
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GWG I tried to make it look like the Post Submitbox.
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cjwillcock you sure did. Just realized those Edit links are probably all working (or will be). That's super good.
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GWG They are.
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GWG That's where I'm hiding the actual fields.
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GWG I'll show you. One second.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screenshot-from-2018-12-16-19-05-51.png
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cjwillcock whoa!
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cjwillcock nice
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cjwillcock I decided to give it a try GWG. Time to stop blocking geolocation in my feature policy
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GWG cjwillcock: The old version is a little less elegant.
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GWG This upgrade should be out this week.
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GWG Lots of backend improvements.
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GWG And bugfixes.
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cjwillcock super. I'll hold my review/comments for the new release. Looking forward to it
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cjwillcock I have another problem with webmentions GWG. Or maybe with post-kinds. I'm not sure. My content is getting displayed on the receiving end as 'This article was mentioned on ...', but I'm expecting to see the text of my response.
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cjwillcock Lot's of moving parts, guidance appreciated.
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GWG That is Webmentions and/or Semantic Linkbacks
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GWG Post Kinds doesn't do anything with comments
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cjwillcock so, when it shouldn't matter which post kind I use or anything like that
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cjwillcock s/when/then/
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GWG No
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GWG The only thing that would change is if it said, "This article" or "This note."
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cjwillcock Maybe I have the wrong expectations? Why would it be saying 'this article was mentioned', rather than showing the contents of my reply there?
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GWG I need the permalink in question to answer that
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cjwillcock https://cjwillcock.ca/2018/12/16/663/#comment-253
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GWG It should work.
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GWG It means it saw it as a generic mention instead of a reply.
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GWG All the data is there.
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cjwillcock ok, that's helpful. I'll try and step through what's happening and see where the details don't fit together
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cjwillcock GWG: the webmention plugin doesn't do any kind of parsing of the webmention source. That seems to be handled by semantic linkbacks (which I have disabled)
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GWG cjwillcock: Oh.
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GWG I didn't realize you'd disabled it
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GWG I thought you had it enabled
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GWG You are correct.
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cjwillcock yes, a couple days ago -- because it replaces my comment walker
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GWG The two pieces are separate
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GWG cjwillcock: We really should put in a way to disable that
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GWG It is a good comment walker we added, but not everyone would want it
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cjwillcock right - now with SL enabled, I see the nice response content in WP-admin, but SL doesn't put this reply into the comments. Instead there is a gravatar under mentions that links to my homepage instead of the webmention source
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GWG Because it doesn't parse it if if was disabled when you sent the webmention
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GWG Just resend the webmention and it'll update
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cjwillcock this is all with SL enabled now
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cjwillcock I'll re-send and see what happens
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cjwillcock no joy.
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cjwillcock so currently, my process is to enable the semantic linkbacks plugin while receiving a webmention, so that response text gets parsed and pulled into my comments. Then I need to disable semantic linkbacks so that I can see the comment on my post (rather than a gravatar under the Mentions heading)
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cjwillcock thanks for your help GWG, I'm not looking for you to fix this for me :)
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cjwillcock but since I brought it up, wanted you to know where I got to
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GWG Well, you could also just disable the setting under Webmentions
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cjwillcock setting?
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GWG Automatically embed facepiles - Disable it for the type you want and it will go back to displaying as a comment
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cjwillcock oh man -- the semantic linkbacks plugin adds settings to the webmentions plugin settings page
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cjwillcock they could stand to be more separate perhaps
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cjwillcock thank you GWG!
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cjwillcock ah ... seems that this requires some special theme support - because unchecking all those, but I still have the facepiles
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GWG No. It shouldn't at all.
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GWG Odd
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cjwillcock i deleted my install of SL, and reinstalled from WP, just in case I had inadvertantly caused it (no change)
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GWG No. But there is, if you edit the comment, a way to see the metadata
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cjwillcock I'm seeing that here now.
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cjwillcock I just switched back to your 2016-indieweb theme
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cjwillcock still the same issue of unchecking all the facepiles, but I still have: a pile under Mentions https://cjwillcock.ca/2018/12/16/663/
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cjwillcock I had to manually change the webmention type from Mention to Reply
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cjwillcock - on that comment
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cjwillcock same situation on 2016-indieweb, SL parses the response content but stores the webmention as a mention type, not a reply type, so the response (the conversation) is lost.
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GWG That must have something to do with how it sees your markup
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cjwillcock I'm glad to finally identify this, because the webmentions never worked for my wife & I, (both on 2016-indieweb) and we gave up on it months ago
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GWG I'm happy to try to continue to troubleshoot
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GWG I used to have a debug tool for that
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cjwillcock if you post a reply to a post of your own on your site now ... does that work like you expect?
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GWG Let me check on my test site.
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GWG I see the problem
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GWG It is classifying it as a mention, not a reply.
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GWG You can manually change it
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GWG When did we break that?
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cjwillcock it has never worked right for me
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cjwillcock ahem, pardon -- I have not known it to work differently
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cjwillcock since ... June?
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GWG People clearly arent' replying to me enough
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cjwillcock GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 76 karma in this channel over the last year (158 in all channels)
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GWG I can give you a manual fix until I can get to working on this?
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GWG My parsing code classified it as a reply
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GWG I was involved in both versions of the code.
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GWG My parsing code, and upgrades to the Semantic Linkbacks code
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GWG So, for some reason, one is classifying things as a mention, the other as a reply.
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GWG I need to write a new parsing debugger for Semantic Linkbacks
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GWG Or start using one parser for everything
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GWG pfefferle and I talked about that. Although Parse This is a bit heavy for Semantic Linkbacksd
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cjwillcock no rush for my personal benefit on this one, it would be nice if you can get back to it for benefit of larger group as the priority
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cjwillcock i can manage ;)
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GWG cjwillcock: There is a pulldown to change the type to reply there
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cjwillcock yes, that will be handy for immediate use
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GWG But, I'll be back on parser duty after the Simple Location thing. Maybe I'll try porting over the code so I don't have to maintain 2 codebases.
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cjwillcock I think I'll make it a learning project to selfdogfood this little piece. Many things I have been studying come together just in this spot
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GWG I have a lot of pieces under my stewardship.
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GWG Any help is always welcome
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GWG In the meantime, I see the end of the current project
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[jgmac1106] @gwg did you push any updates yesterday to any plugins we could count?
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GWG Everything I did yesterday is still in dev
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[jgmac1106] ...thanks anyway, it was worth a shot [Vincent] published an opensource media endpoint going to see if folks okay with that
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[jgmac1106] @gwg can you post a like post to here: https://indieweb.org/toolbuilder-badge
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GWG To an Indieweb wiki page? I thought the wiki didn't do mentions
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[jgmac1106] I just need the markup... But you can manually do it with your endpoint
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[jgmac1106] You might like this in terms of your endorsement work
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[jgmac1106] Arguing a u-like-of can suffice as a third party endorsement... Need to think it through but want to show parsed example
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GWG I have to head to work, but I will see what I can do at lunch
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[jgmac1106] .... Actually I can manually write on as a post.... No worries
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GWG Afternoon
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[tantek] GWG, do you have any Theme advice for people using WordPress.com? What's their best option for IndieWeb compatibility?
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[tantek] (at any price point on WordPress.com)
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GWG I have never looked at .com
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GWG I could try
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] tell them to start with the Independent Publisher 2 theme and add the mf2 feed plugin from [pfefferle] as long as they don't use post-kinds will parse fine based on what I have seen in wild
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[jgmac1106] note IP2 WP.com is different than IP2 WP.org
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sknebel I think the twentysixteen etc default themes have relatively good mf1, at least the recent years
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[pfefferle] It will also parse fine with post-kinds, it simply ignores the meta data of post-kinds
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] thanks! Can you make sure that info is on /Wordpress.com and /WordPress/Themes points to it?
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GWG Exactly
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[chrisaldrich] Sometime over the holiday I'll try to do a wp.com specific tutorial. We shild also explicitly split the .org and .com pages up as they're so different and otherwise likely to various confusion about what works with what.
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[matpacker] Ugh, got a word WordPress / JetPack issue, can't upload an image to my website, no error message, just an "error". Have tried turning all the plugins off, reinstalling then, creating a new user, etc. Damn frustrating!
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[jgmac1106] [matpacker] if you can get away with no Jetpack I would recommend it... Make sure if you keep it not to add any sharing buttons
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[jgmac1106] ... But Jetpack would have nothing to do with your image upload
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[matpacker] That's what I would've thought [jgmac1106], I've got the Jetpack sharing and buttons disabled. I've tried removing Jetpack altogether, no dice...
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[matpacker] Just uploaded directly to the server via sFTP, that works, but does something funny. If I copy the path to file it's correct, if I copy the URL it adds an extra meatpacker.blog to the URL => https://www.matpacker.blog/matpacker.blog/wp-content/uploads/photo-resize-test.jpeg
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[chrisaldrich] [matpacker] have you checked it as a stratagem issue. Some self hosting accounts have upload size or quantity limits and you may have hit that and it wouldn't throw a wp specific error.
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[chrisaldrich] S/stratagem/storage
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[matpacker] [chrisaldrich] I host on DreamPress, there shouldn’t be an issue with hosting limits. I’ve resized the image so that it’s less than 2000px on it’s longest side, it’s also under 1mb, with there being a 64mb limit in the config. I’ve tried multiple file types, jpeg, jpg, png, gif, zip. No luck.
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cjwillcock matpacker: did you recently move your WP blog from matpacker.blog to www.matpacker.blog?
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[matpacker] No, but I did update the permalink structure! You might be onto something [cjwillcock]
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[matpacker] [cjwillcock] thanks for the hint, I can now get VaultPress to connect correctly. Still having image upload issues, but I think that I might be on the correct path to solving it.
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cjwillcock great! you're welcome
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