#wordpress 2018-12-16

2018-12-16 UTC
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[jgmac1106] [sknebel] in my case I did not add a u-photo int he indieweb.org h-card, so it pulled the default place holder from semantic linkbacks I think
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[jgmac1106] @gwg why do I see no h-cite or u-like-of in this like post: https://jgregorymcverry.com/8345-2/ here are the parsed results: https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2F8345-2%2F
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] I endorse this badge. The collected evidence would provide the criteria is met and would indicate a badge holder had published a community tool.
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[eddie] That is really weird, but there does not seem to be any u-like-of link anywhere on that page
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GWG The whole page seems a bit messed up
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[jgmac1106] yeah..its just a post
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GWG There, it refreshed
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GWG No like properties
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GWG Try something strange for me
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GWG Turn off Jetpack
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GWG I had a similar report that involved Jetpack
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[jgmac1106] aahhhh forgot I turned on JetPack to test the share buttons, let me delete
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GWG I still need to figure out why
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GWG Working with a popular WordPress plugin is doable
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GWG Saw miklb is still having reply to tweet issues
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GWG I thought I fixed that
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[jgmac1106] no JetPack installed actually, already deleted it
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GWG Okay
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GWG Not sure why it wouldn't show up. You've used the plugins many times
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[jgmac1106] will play plugin whack-a-mole- till I figure out what broke it....this is what annoys me about WordPress...turn off all your plugins....is the worst customer service step in all of history
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GWG Yes, agreed
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GWG jgmac1106, I am making progress
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GWG Trying to get another plugin working with Gutenberg, even if only in compatibility mode
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GWG Simple Location adds things to the Publish box, which doesn't exist in Gutenberg
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GWG So if I don't use the publish box...it will suddenly be 5.0 compatible
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[jgmac1106] I am on 5.0.1
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GWG So I need to redesign the metaboxes for the plugin
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[jgmac1106] till metaboxes are gone in phase two of roll out. Then whatr?
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GWG With Post Kinds not working... I haven't published anything but a note since 5.0.1
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GWG I had better check
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GWG jgmac1106, are they going to be gone in Phase 2? I thought that was widgets
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[jgmac1106] is that all that is happenign with my like? post kinds is borked now?
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GWG jgmac1106, I didn't say that
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GWG I am away from my desk, but let me post with indigenous
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2018/12/16/5445/
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GWG No, that worked
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GWG So, not borked
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GWG I think I still have credentials for your site somewhere
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GWG I feel, if you lose jgmac1106, its just a downward spiral from there.
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[jgmac1106] don't use to much time @gwg, walking away, I have like no markup now, just a plain note, I don;t have this kind of stamina
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GWG jgmac1106 I worry about you losing your enthusiasm
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GWG It can be infectious
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[jgmac1106] @gwg it's done did you look at the four phases of Gutenberg...no way IndieWeb plugins survive that
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[jgmac1106] but I don't understand....everyone but the biggest WP theme marketers must be screwed..nobody will have the resources to refactor their themes and plugins....I will continue to support....but everyone should look for the WordPress exit door if they want to IndieWeb I fear....I just can't see how semantic linkbacks and webmentions will work...
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[jgmac1106] hanging in ClassicPress trolling for up votes for microformats support
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[jgmac1106] need upvotes....
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Zegnat Has ClassicPress given any sort of stance on microformats at all? For them, against them, accepting PRs?
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[jgmac1106] no...I am treading lightly, worry about their monoculture approach as well...trying to build the one ClassicPress instead of everyone building the one that works for them..sounds like a recipe for a lot of committee work
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[jgmac1106] but if they did add mf2 in core...people could theme away
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GWG I suppose I could give time to a proposal
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[jgmac1106] they have an influx of new members..I just show them all the cool stuff I can do using WordPress (just hope they don't hit source code and look for themselves..)
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[tantek] Wait what. They already added mf2 in core? That sounds promising
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[jgmac1106] ...no....they did not
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[jgmac1106] I am advocating for it...everytime I share something I get "oooh that is so cool, how can we do that...and I say mf2"
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[jgmac1106] encourage everyone to upvote this as if you are a Republican operative in North Carolina...let your dead grandma vote: https://petitions.classicpress.net/posts/58/core-support-for-modern-microformats-v2
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Zegnat Doesn’t look like that needs votes, seems like that needs a developer to get in touch with James?
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GWG I know. Not sure if that should be me.
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Zegnat Depends on if you are going to run ClassicPress yourself, I would say! Own scratch first and all that
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GWG Zegnat: I should try it on a test site
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[tantek] Yes!
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GWG I don't know if I'm going to migrate to ClassicPress.
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GWG I don't know if I'm not going to either
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[tantek] test site sounds like a good first step
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GWG How does this look? https://tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screenshot-from-2018-12-16-14-35-06.png
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[asuh] Unless there’s a mass exodus from WordPress, I hope we can stick to making things work there. I know it’s probably a headache and a lot more work but I also plan to contribute as I can to make that work.
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GWG Simple Location had the Location Visibility box inside the Publish box. But there is no publish box in Gutenberg, so I am putting another box below it. I figured I might as well add more info to it.
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GWG It's still a WIP
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[jgmac1106] what we are discussing over in ClassicPress: You host the badges on Discourse. You issue them by sending a webmention as a comment to anyone's WordPress site. Community has a record of each issuance as a permalink in Discourse, and the contributor can decide what to do with the badge.
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[jgmac1106] badges as a Trojan Horse?? bout the only time I can get anyone to talk webmentions with me
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GWG I think this is going to work out.
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Zegnat Discourse as in the js;dr forum system? Is that even accessible to most mf2 parsers?
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Zegnat GWG, that looks cool, but I have a hard time (as a first time viewer) to understand the relation between “visibility” and “weather”…
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GWG Visibility is whether it shows on the post
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GWG It's a work in progress
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GWG Eventually, the none will show something when set
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[tantek] what is Discourse
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Loqi Discourse is an open source web forum and discussion platform that integrates with a wide variety of CMSs and other publishing platforms https://indieweb.org/Discourse
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] are you able to syndicate to Discourse from your personal site?
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[tantek] does/could Discourse support IndieAuth and Micropub?
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jgmac1106 yes, if you are on WordPress and have that installed as your replacement forum…
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jgmac1106 it does not but handles HTML fine, so if the badge was there and the site used webmentions.io what I am doing now would work fine
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jgmac1106 Heck maybe even eaier since each comment in discourse has a permalink…each badge could a thread and each issuance juts a reply to that thread
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cjwillcock re: webmentions plugin - does this support conversation or just top-level comments on original content? maybe I need to explain that better
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Zegnat Are those permalinks parsable? See /Discourse on the wiki. I actually run a browser extension just to make Discourse not be js;dr. Maybe they’ve gotten better though.
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cjwillcock showing how the webmentions are not connecting the replies to each other as expected https://cjwillcock.ca/2018/12/16/663/
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cjwillcock re: webmention plugin, I have found that reponding to the link provided by the 'reply to link' works to thread conversations. These links have a ?replytocom= in the url, instead of the #fragment. (huzzah!)
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cjwillcock https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/128
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Loqi [dshanske] #128 Add Comment Permalink Support
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GWG cjwillcox, I wrote the code for that. pfefferle didn't like it
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GWG For that plugin
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GWG I could do it separately
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cjwillcock hi GWG - I'm attempting: use the get_comment_link filter to add ?replytocom to each comment permalink
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cjwillcock I need the webmention endpoint to appear in the least surprising permalink location -- and then it's okay I guess --- still feels wrong / rough
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cjwillcock GWG: you have another idea?
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GWG /comment/123
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GWG I wrote it
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GWG With single comment templates
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GWG But pfefferle felt it would be better as a separate plugin. I never spun it into one
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cjwillcock the 'comments as their own page' is not sitting right with me
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cjwillcock if someone is able to follow a link to a comment, it's completely out of context
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cjwillcock this just needs more management (in code) to display things with the proper context -- more theme dev. Hm.
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GWG cjwillcox, medium did it well when I checked
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cjwillcock yes, that's what I meant, more management in (code) like Medium has done, putting comments in context, on their individual pages.
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cjwillcock it works for me
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cjwillcock GWG: how can I help?
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GWG I can pull the code into its own repo for you
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cjwillcock will we lose the other commits from webmentions done after the branch?
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GWG I was talking about splitting the comment permalink stuff
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cjwillcock new plugin?
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GWG Yes, for just the permalink
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cjwillcock alright
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/wordpress-webmention/commit/dc261211aa87307f0a838045faf5c76b87b17b86
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GWG I'll pull it out
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GWG And give it a repo for you to play with
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cjwillcock super
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cjwillcock thanks GWG!
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GWG The way I recall designing it 2 years ago was that if you placed files in your theme, it would override the default in the plugin
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GWG So, it worked like the traditional template hierarchy.
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GWG cjwillcock: Right now, I'm working on a new UI for Simple Location.
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cjwillcock this is very good, I like that
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GWG cjwillcock: I have good ideas sometimes.
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cjwillcock still trying to make it happy with gutenberg?
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GWG cjwillcock: Not exactly. The Location fields were partially in the Publish metabox. Which doesn't appear in Gutenberg. But other metaboxes do. So, I don't have to make it Gutenberg compatible using the new APis, I can do so using the old ones.
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cjwillcock thank goodness for that
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GWG cjwillcock: I think I like the new layout though
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cjwillcock i put wp5 on my wp-theme-dev subdomain. I agree with the new editor ui. Less scrolling is nice.