#wordpress 2018-12-28

2018-12-28 UTC
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GWG I feel WordPress has failed me
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petermolnar GWG what happened?
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GWG Everything is JS and business needs
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GWG I played with Gutenberg. I am not inherently against blocks, but JS.
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GWG And then no resourcing for anything else
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petermolnar WP has been going this way since emojis were pushed through instead of being kept as plugin
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GWG A bunch of my tickets just got punted again
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petermolnar js is the new PHP. This his how Perl devs felt/feel up to this days.
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petermolnar the ticket ignorance certainly is a problem
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petermolnar my one line patch of a trim function has been in limbo for 4 years now?
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petermolnar so I completely understand
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petermolnar have you considered putting your energy into classicpress instead?
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petermolnar I honestly believe there is hard divide in wp community coming
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GWG I have thought about it, yes
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GWG But I am trying to think about the people in our community
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GWG So I would have to develop for both
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[tantek] tends to agree with petermolnar
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GWG On which?
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[tantek] on a lot
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[tantek] GWG, you're likely not the only person feeling this way.
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[tantek] It would be reasonable to focus on Classicpress and just punt on Gutenberg
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GWG tantek, I am considering it
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GWG But would that leave newcomers behind?
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petermolnar I quit WP for similar feelings, though Gutenberg wasn't even on the roadmap that time
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[tantek] nah, direct newcomers to Classicpress
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petermolnar ^^^ this
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[tantek] maybe you'll have a better chance of getting core changes into Classicpress
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petermolnar if you read through some of the reviews on the gutenberg plugin, there's certainly a high amount of disappointed wp community members out there
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petermolnar unfortunately any mention of any forks on wp.org forums gets shot down fast
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petermolnar (which, from one point of view I understand, from another, it's really not a community/open source friendly thing)
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GWG That's what frustrates me
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GWG Isn't replacing PHP with JS a fork?
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[tantek] Yes
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GWG So, we'll see. Maybe I will build a ClassicPress test site and see how things work after I finish my latest Post Kinds release.
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Zegnat How is wp.com handling this? Do they force people onto Gutenberg?
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ramin I don't see js as a real replacement for php... unfortunately. just looking at how a simple webspace has a full functioning backend, just by dropping php files in there. with js you still need to develop a backend (mostly separate from the frontend- tho of course there are some experimental frameworks) but they run in node. php has the advantage you don't need to start a server, right?
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ramin anyway, this is probably to broad for a wp channel... excited about @pfefferle ActivityPub implementation for wp
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[pfefferle] thanks 🙂
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ramin transfluxus auf github. licci.eu :)
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[pfefferle] ah, hello 🙂
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[pfefferle] I just wrote you an answer on github
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GWG sighs
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[asuh] GWG are you documenting your JS blockers as Github issues or PRs? I’d be curious to see what’s going on for reference or to give input
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GWG [asuh]: This is about the direction WP is going in, not necessarily any specific issue. But I may write a blog post
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GWG I have many thoughts
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[Khurt] Hello, WordPress IndieWeb. [jgmac1106] I am using SemPress which I modified to have a 960px width. I’m not a CSS expert. I don’t now how to make the featured image and inline image fit this new width. Can you point me in the right direction? e.g. https://islandinthenet.com/carnegie-lake-sunrise/
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[asuh] [Khurt] It looks like your 960px declarations are causing issues with smaller widths so that there’s overflow and scrollbar on the bottom
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[asuh] It looks like you need to make the photos `width: 100%` but at the same time you’ll have to remove several of the 960px declarations
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