#wordpress 2019-02-25

2019-02-25 UTC
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[pfefferle] someone extracted the MD module from jetpack https://wordpress.org/plugins/jetpack-markdown/
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[grantcodes] The main reason there is no micropub markdown editor is that the micropub spec doesn't specify any way to store or return content in another format
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[grantcodes] You could modify your own micropub endpoint to only ever to use markdown formatted plain text and use a plain text micropub client - of which there are many.
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sknebel I could have sworn I saw a markdown mode somewhere...
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sknebel oh, maybe the micro.blog app?
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sknebel but yes, [grantcodes] is right, theres no adopted way of indicating "I understand markdown", only proposals
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sknebel (although I know some people have endpoints that inspect the content and use that to detect markdown)
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[pfefferle] [grantcodes] ah I See!
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[grantcodes] Yeah I run markdown parsing on my endpoint, but then everything is always stored and edited as html
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GWG [pfefferle]: Helllo here too
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[kevinmarks] going back from html to markdown can be lossy (in principle markdown can contain arbitrary html as html, but the translators aren't perfect)
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aaronpk the other problem is there isn't just one "markdown" so in practice it's not guaranteed to work everywhere anyway
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[Rose] That is an issue. But if the markdown I provide can be stored then that should be returned - and gives the user what they're expecting too.
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petermolnar personal recommendation: pandoc => multimarkdown
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[jgmac1106] Just send it to a .txt file and let people know it's there? Never understood draw of markdown... Just ads one more thing to process
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[jgmac1106] But I am not an iOS user, seems to be more popular there...
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petermolnar http://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#markdown-variants
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petermolnar but it is indeed a problem
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[kevinmarks] and you can't even trust them to pass through HTML https://babelmark.github.io/?text=%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com%22+rel%3D%22me%22%3EKevin+Marks%3C%2Fa%3E
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: plain text is awesome, as long as you want a person to read it; if for any reason, you dare trying to process one with an algorithm, you're in a bad place
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[jgmac1106] Ohh yes... I thought Rose just wanted a copy of the Markdown so where for readers...
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petermolnar [kevinmarks]: "An unexpected error occured when trying to contact babelmark-proxy. Reason: timeout, Error status: 0 "
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[jgmac1106] Then she could just use WP markdown plugins to exist that will go to html... But if people had desire to see the markdown
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petermolnar you have 2 options: capture calls to post_content and use post_content_filtered, store markdown there, convert to html whenever changes, etc
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petermolnar or
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aaronpk yes my point is if *you* know you're writing markdown, then all the micropub clients can treat it as plain text and your backend can render it on the server
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petermolnar use post_content as html, convert back to md on edit, then back to html on save
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petermolnar both are horrible :D
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sknebel petermolnar: why is the former bad?
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petermolnar you're altering an inner mechanism of wordpress. been there. it leads to way too many hacks.
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GWG Hi, jackjamieson
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jackjamieson Hi GWG
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jackjamieson How was the rest of IWC Austin?
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GWG jackjamieson, I did a lot of Parse This work
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jackjamieson I saw that, I'll update Yarns with the changes when I get time. Probably can do a bit of coding this week - been busy with writing recently
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GWG jackjamieson, I have more coming, but I standardized a lot
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GWG I didn't realize until I talked to aaronpk that I was following jf2, not the stricter limits mentioned in Microsub
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jackjamieson Ah, actually I didn't realize there was a difference. I followed the microsub spec when I was writing my parsing, but hadn't compared to jf2 more generally
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GWG jackjamieson, neither did I
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GWG But some properties are always arrays in Microsub.
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GWG JF2 says that single properties don't have to be arrays
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jackjamieson Ah, I'm looking now and I see what you mean
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aaronpk the goal with microsub is to have fewer different ways of doing things, so that it's easier to write apps
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GWG aaronpk, I need to edit the wiki to explain that.
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GWG I doubt I am the only one who missed the distinction
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aaronpk I will add some text to the "design goals" section which talks about this
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jackjamieson aaronpk: I like that. Having photos etc as arrays makes it clear that clients should always be able to handle multiple. Makes a lot of sense, but I remember having some confusion previously when I was working on the pre-microsub version of Yarns
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GWG aaronpk, specifically that it uses a stricter version of jf2
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GWG That was what I wanted to add
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aaronpk I added a note here https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Objects
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aaronpk feel free to clarify
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GWG That's perfect
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GWG jackjamieson, have you thought about the notifications channel?