#wordpress 2019-03-20

2019-03-20 UTC
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[tantek] https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2016/09/responsive-images-in-wordpress-with-art-direction/
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[tantek] Hey GWG, do you know if your plugins work with the built in Wordpress support for multiple resolutions to do multiresolution photo posts?
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GWG They should
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[tantek] And if so, how are you marking up the mf2 on those posts?
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[tantek] Got any examples?
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GWG Well, I think only with the u-photo. But the problem is there are 5 different ways to do photos
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GWG I have this gigantic problem with it
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GWG So, you can insert a URL photo into the content block
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GWG You can add a photo as a featured image.
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GWG Or you can attach photos to a post.
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GWG It gets confusing.
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[tantek] Got test cases for each?
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GWG Test cases?
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GWG Trying to figure out a better way to address is on my list.
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GWG So much to do
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[jgmac1106] my random thoghts as I am workign way too late: url in content block is just image, photo attached to post is u-photo bc post is about that(those) photo(s)-u-photo already syndicates, if it a featured img u-featured, but I could be wrong about the u-featured, on syndication I do believe the featured image gets treated as a u-photo and the syndication behavior is the same.
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GWG [jgmac1106]: The issue is accounting for every way that people doing it when using the system.
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[jgmac1106] or you can focus on doing it proper and I will help write the tutorials to teach the people...I just wouldn't be the person to ask what is proper
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[jgmac1106] You do see some weird title behavior for syndication. Even I mess up photo posts in Known because I know only the title syndicates to Twitter not content
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GWG The other problem is that anything in the wordpress gallery can only be associated with one post by default
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[jgmac1106] then just ignore the gallery for now
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[jgmac1106] if people want an IndieWeb photos collection post kind they can make a plug-in. It can't all fall on you...
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[Rose] Hmm, my slugs don't match, grr.
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[pfefferle] [chrisaldrich] do you have any new findings https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-activitypub/issues/34 ??
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[Rose] Hmm, importing all my posts is not working nicely. Around 40% don't get imported
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GWG [Rose]: Any clues?
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[Rose] No, none.
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[Rose] It's most puzzling.
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[Rose] If I can get my "micro" posts to upload then I think I'll do the other ones manually, it's only a hundred or so - I can live with that.
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/36669#comment:19 - We can't even update a simple dependency. Feh
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[Rose] Urgh
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GWG This is why I get frustrated with WordPress core development
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[Rose] Now I just have to figure out if I want to handle empty titles in notes with say for example using the date, and if so how to do that
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GWG This is a subject of some debate
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GWG What should the slug be?
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GWG Empty titles are correct technically on notes but some people like them
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[Rose] I decided with Grav that my slugs would be date/time if there was no title. So I'd like to maintain that
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GWG [Rose]: I think we can swing that
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GWG For now, send in mp-slug
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GWG But will see about auto setting
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[jgmac1106] As someone who tried to migrate his blog and write redirects... I sow wished I used dates in my slug
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GWG Not sure if it belongs in Micropub though
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[Rose] mp-slug, aha. I need to wipe this install and start over anyway I think, lots of incorrectly created posts.
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[jgmac1106] I no some people grab the first few set of words and display that for titleless post and then use post ID number in slug
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petermolnar ah, simplepie. the part of WP I sent a one line patch of $x = trim($x) literally ages ago
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petermolnar still not merged or even looked at
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[Rose] is getting closer and closer
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petermolnar btw I tried some of the events/booking managers in WP, dear god, the amount of spam those receive o.O
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petermolnar (this is offtopic though)
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[Rose] WordPress is ontopic though
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petermolnar the short summary is that I could migrate a site off from Wix to WP - except the booking system. Interestingly enough, Wix has an Event and a separate Booking/Appointment system, and this latter is rather unique. It has the notion of courses/classes, staff, spaces, and 2 way syncs with Google Calendar. I've been trying to find a replacement via the WP ecosystem, no luck so far, and the ones I tried are insanely spam prone.
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[Rose] Slugs are now working as expected, I ought to read the specs more thoroughly
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GWG Post ID is the default slug if no title is set.
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GWG So, we could write code to set it to something else on default
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GWG A little 5 line plugin
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[Rose] Handy to know, I'll make sure to use Shortcuts as my MicroPub client for the time being for now as that's an easy way to set the slug.
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GWG I always consider it as I don't like the post id as the final part of the slug, but what?
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[Rose] I mean, the date does make sense in general.
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GWG What is slug?
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Loqi A slug is a series of words in a permalink URL, usually at the end, that are from or representative of the name or text of a post, and thus part of an overall URL design https://indieweb.org/slug
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GWG The standard WP url is /year/month/day/slug
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GWG It is the last part
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GWG So, I already have the date in the permalink
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[Rose] Hmm, I always change WordPress to use categories in the default URL instead
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GWG It is within the day
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GWG Okay
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[Rose] Mostly because if I go back and change the post and date then the URL would need redirecting.
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GWG I rarely use categories in posts
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GWG But good point
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GWG Why do you change the date so much?
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[Rose] I rarely do. But there's also the automatic "this was posted a year ago so it's out of date" mental connection I prefer to avoid.
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[Rose] Argh, 1 post didn't import, 1.
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GWG Okay.
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[Rose] Also I then have feeds for my regular blog vs my personal stuff, etc.
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[Rose] Which are logical when people look at the feed urls compared to the browser ones
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[kimberlyhirsh] I'm using InoReader & trying to get custom sharing going with Post Kinds URLs. But when I use the URL variables I get a weird editor window that only has a title box and a response properties box but nothing else, and the response properties box only has the "response properties" title and no content. Before I file this as an issue, any thoughts on what might be going on here? Here's an example URL I might give Inoreader, where [UR
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[kimberlyhirsh] Inoreader's URL variable: https://example.com/wp-admin/post-new.php?kindurl=[URL]&kind=reply
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[kimberlyhirsh] If I do it with just kind=reply without trying to use the Inoreader URL, it's a normal editor with reply selected and a blank response properties box as you'd expect.
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[kimberlyhirsh] If I type the URL in the browser bar manually and replace the [URL] variable with the URL of the thing I'm trying to reply to, I get the weird editor again.
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[kimberlyhirsh] All of this is in Chrome; about to go try Firefox and see what happens.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Same thing happens in Firefox.
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[kimberlyhirsh] If I do it with only kindurl and not kind, I get the same thing.
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[frank] [kimberlyhirsh] I'll go see if I get the same thing with Inoreader. brb.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Worth noting I'm getting the same outcome whether I go through Inoreader or directly through the browser.
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[frank] This is weird. My browser keeps redirecting me to wp-login.php from the URL.
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[frank] But I am logged in
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[kimberlyhirsh] Yeah, first it did that to me but eventually I got it to stop doing that. Don't know what I did, logged in through the redirect with "Remember me" a couple times and eventually it seemed to take.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Trying deactivating a bunch of plugins to see if it makes a difference...
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[kimberlyhirsh] Didn't seem to.
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[frank] Same here. Do you use the Gutenberg editor? Maybe it has something to do with the changes in that?
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[kimberlyhirsh] I don't.
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[kimberlyhirsh] I have a plugin that lets me use the Classic Editor.
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[kimberlyhirsh] But I suppose it might be related to that, since I'm using the most recent version of WordPress.
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[frank] I'm sorry I can't be of any more help
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[kimberlyhirsh] No worries. Thanks for trying! It's not breaking my site or anything. Just an obstacle to owning my replies etc.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Because right now it's a bit labor intensive to copy & paste everything manually, which means I just reply to fewer things than I would otherwise.
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[frank] Maybe the Quill bookmarklet or Omnibear is of use for you?
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GWG File the issue
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[frank] Quill can be found on http://quill.p3k.io/
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GWG I haven't tested the kindurl variable in WP5.0 yet
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GWG I am always happy to fix things
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GWG Especially if I broke them
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[kimberlyhirsh] Still working on making Micropub happen with my host, so for now I'll just file the issue and keep doing things manually.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Looking at the issues I see something similar happened with indiebookclub as of June 2018, but I didn't even get the full response properties box.
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[chrisaldrich] I've seen [frank]'s issue of redirect to login because of an issue relating to switching between http vs https before.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Yep, I figure that was my problem.
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[kimberlyhirsh] I just switched to https a couple days ago.
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[chrisaldrich] In your admin, check that you have https set in settings >> general for WordPress address and site address...
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[kimberlyhirsh] I did that before I ran into this problem.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Did it yesterday maybe? And had the problem today?
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[kimberlyhirsh] Then I think it's possible the URL I was feeding Inoreader I forgot to put the s in.
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[kimberlyhirsh] So maybe that's what fixed it? Can't remember now.
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[chrisaldrich] I set up kinds with inoreader in the past but haven't used it much recently. I'll try to test later this morning when I get to the office.
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[kimberlyhirsh] Yaaaay just worked with my host to get IndieAuth/Micropub working on my WordPress install (after delaying for months because I'd have to go through a Live Chat instead of supporting a ticket).
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chrisaldrich [kimberlyhirsh] I'm not seeing the same issue on my end with Post Kinds, but this may also give a clue as to potential issues as GWG knows I'm still running the older version from pre-Summit 2018.
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jackjamieson [frank] I agree with [chrisaldrich] that it might be an https/http issue. I had the same problem for a long time. IIRC the solution was to edit my .htaccess to always use https
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chrisaldrich jackjamieson, sorry I haven't gotten back to you about your email yet. I'm totally in. I'm just finishing up some work on a class and have a monkey on spring break this week, but will get back to you shortly.
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chrisaldrich Let me know if you're in any sort of rush and I'm happy to help facilitate that if necessary.
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jackjamieson chrisaldrich Great! And thanks! I'm not in a big rush so take your time
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GWG Hi all
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GWG On a break
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GWG See some things worked out
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GWG The kindurl issue sounds like my problem to fix
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GWG Hi, jackjamieson
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jackjamieson Hi GWG, how are you?
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GWG Busy busy busy
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GWG I have some bug fixes to do
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GWG Then starting work on a project to improve Webmentions
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GWG Likely pausing for more bug fixes
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GWG The webmention thing is a multipronged migration and update project
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GWG Wouldn't mind more eyes on phase 1
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jackjamieson GWG Sounds good - I'd like to take a look at webmentions if it could be helpful. I don't know the plugin code very well but it can't hurt
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GWG That is not the question we are looking at first
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GWG https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Data#Comment_Data_Brainstorming
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GWG Changing the data format
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jackjamieson I'll take a read tonight
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jackjamieson Got a meeting now, but I'll be back later
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GWG Okay. Me too
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[pfefferle] Moinsen [chrisbergr]
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GWG [pfefferle]: Hello
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GWG Looking for thoughts on https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links/issues/108
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Loqi [dshanske] #108 Cache Busting
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[pfefferle] Is it added to the_content?
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GWG No, it isn't
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GWG Regrettably no
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[pfefferle] Only metadata?
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GWG Correct
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GWG I add it in afterward
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GWG Because it doesn't need to be seen
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GWG It's just the webmention target
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GWG For Webmention syndication
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GWG I thought about triggering edit_post
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GWG But who knows what do_action edit_post might do
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