#wordpress 2019-07-10

2019-07-10 UTC
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m slowly growing legit curious what the conflicts are with Post Kinds and Gutenberg
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[Michael_Beckwit think i’m seeing what’s the holdup…complex metaboxes among some other things
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GWG It isn't a priority for anyone right now. Probably will be eventually
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[Michael_Beckwit so much javascript
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GWG Yes
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GWG Not big on JS
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GWG Post Kinds has a simple JS file that imports data from a php endpoint
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GWG I have a plan to rebuild the kinds by defining their properties and letting the system build the form display.
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[Michael_Beckwit ok, just checked chat.indieweb and recognize your avatar there david. i use slack mostly here and just saw “GWG” for a nickname
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[Michael_Beckwit unless you’re alway GWG
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GWG It's my old freenode user name
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GWG I have not changed it
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[Michael_Beckwit good to know, i’ll keep that in mind going forward 😄
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GWG But the long term solution is not straightforward the way Blocks work
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[Michael_Beckwit just finished up ep8 of Indieweb podcast earlier, so i’m about half way through the episode list
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[Jay_Hoffmann] I’m curious what people think of Gutenberg generally. I use it a ton in my day job, and after a bit of initial friction, it’s become a pretty nice interface to use. Still a bit rough around the edges, but a lot more flexibility. Not sure what the IndieWeb potential is there, other than hopefully getting people to blog more 🙂
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GWG The issue for me is how it stores data
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GWG Blocks are stored using HTML comments
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GWG So, this means that post content is not the same anymore
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GWG It's a data store
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GWG So, I considered something like this with microformats, but that would require a whole new editor...
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GWG With Gutenberg, you could use blocks to do this...
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[Jay_Hoffmann] So the comments are actually more flexible than you think, it is mostly HTML, so a blocks HTML might look like (I’m simplifying):
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[Jay_Hoffmann] <-- /core/paragraph -->
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[Jay_Hoffmann] <p>Text for a paragraph</p>
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[Jay_Hoffmann] <--- core/wp-paragraph -->
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[Jay_Hoffmann] ```
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[Jay_Hoffmann] ```
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Strip out the comments and it’s still just HTML. For more advanced data, it looks a bit different, but you can also store that in meta
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GWG I know
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GWG I just don't like the methodology
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GWG But the big reason I am not jumping on Gutenberg is I like PHP development
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GWG I don't want to be a JS developer
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GWG I got out of programming in the 90s because I am not visual
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Yea that’s fair. They’ve promised to make the server side blocks easier to use in the future, so hopefully that can help
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GWG I used to write DOS programs
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[Jay_Hoffmann] Yup, I totally understand the leap there. I’m sure you can get most of the way there with PHP, but if you ever need a bit of JS to bridge a gap, let me know. I’d be happy to help
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GWG I understand
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GWG If WordPress cared to, I wish they had prioritized adding a way to create blocks in PHP
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GWG But either way, it's not just my preference in language and design
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GWG It would be a big rewrite
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GWG So, not rushing
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jgmac1106 storing metadata in html is a tried and failed method that is what scares me. I think some folks will love the new block editor approach and will figure out ways to adapt Indieweb building blocks, PHP developers may look for new homes where tried and true isn’t abandonded for new and flashy
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GWG Will concur
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GWG I try to compromise
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[jgmac1106] Meant html comments of course... Be hidden blog post soon
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