#wordpress 2020-01-31

2020-01-31 UTC
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GWG Is anyone running IndieAuth on a multi user site?
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Ruxton kiiind of, there's multiple users but nobody uses them
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GWG Ruxton: I am working on IndieAuth on and off
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[Michael_Beckwit another 5FTF contributor day tomorrow, good chance i’ll be around more than normal, unless I end up finding something else to work on 😄
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GWG Right now, scopes are handled by Micropub and Microsub. I want to have them handled upstream
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Any specific plans?
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GWG I am trying to map IndieAuth scopes to WordPress capabilities
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GWG So it is mostly deciding what capabilities go in what scope
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[Michael_Beckwit no, i’ll figure something out tomorrow 😄
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GWG No ideas?
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GWG I have too many
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: What would you say are your strengths?
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[Michael_Beckwit php in my mind
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[Michael_Beckwit as usual, my bigger problem is i can get dug in to things for part of a day, and then i’m not digging back in again for weeks 😄
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: I meant... what sort of things do you like to create, and maybe I might have an idea?
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[Michael_Beckwit ah
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[Michael_Beckwit haven’t thought about that recently, if ever
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GWG Okay, if you need a sounding board... message
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[Michael_Beckwit will do
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[Michael_Beckwit aha! GWG I know a project I could try to take on a bit. Adding compatibility support for Syndication Links and wordpress.org/plugins/wp-to-twitter/
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Syndication Links has some easy hooks and a class to inherit for the syndication provider
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[Michael_Beckwit good, good
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[Michael_Beckwit welcome Chrispian
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GWG I should write a... how to add support document
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GWG The goal is to save the tweet url or support Twitter via that plugin in Micropub?
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[Michael_Beckwit i could too, as i figure it out
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[Michael_Beckwit it would be to save the generated url coming from WP to Twitter
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Loqi yea
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[Michael_Beckwit gotta relocate, be back shortly
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[Chrispian_Burks Thanks!
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GWG Look at the plugins file in Syndication Links
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[Michael_Beckwit semi formal intro [Evan_Hildreth] and [Chrispian_Burks] to GWG
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[Michael_Beckwit he’s David Shanske and you’ll see his name a lot on the WP plugins that i highlighted earlier this month
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[Michael_Beckwit we also have [pfefferle] Matthias as well, though I haven’t seen him quite as active in here, at least not while i’ve been logged in
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[Michael_Beckwit he may also not be a slack person
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[Chrispian_Burks Gotcha. I'm working on getting the plugins setup on my site now.
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[Michael_Beckwit GWG, Evan and Chrispian are coworkers of mine from the last year and a half or so, and expressed interest in the Indieweb Community, both before my talk as well as after. My hunch is they knew the concepts, just not a name to call them
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[jeffpaul] 👋
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[chrisaldrich] Morning folks! 👋
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[Michael_Beckwit i brought friends to work today chris 😄
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[chrisaldrich] Friends++
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Loqi Friends has 1 karma over the last year
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[Michael_Beckwit GWG thoughts on introducing a namespace in a new file for Syndication Links? or would you prefer just staying in the global namespace at this point for consistency?
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[chrisaldrich] What is backfeed?
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Loqi Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indieweb.org/backfeed
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[chrisaldrich] backfeed << https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/30/manual-backfeed-in-the-blogosphere/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/30/manual-backfeed-in-the-blogosphere/" to the "See Also" section of /backfeed https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68100&oldid=64882
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[chrisaldrich] [Michael_Beckwith]++ for introductions
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Loqi [Michael_Beckwith] has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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[Michael_Beckwit woo, 2 PRs for Syndication Links today
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GWG Just got back online. Will look
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: I do have a question
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[Michael_Beckwit go for it
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Syndication Links has no namespacing...are you proposing it adopt it?
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GWG The only reason it doesn't is I was targeting 5.2, as it was the minimum for WordPress at the time and didn't see a need to rewrite it
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[Michael_Beckwit it can be a work in progress type detail, not saying implement across the board for everything right away
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[Michael_Beckwit perhaps just start as we add new files etc
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[Michael_Beckwit also it already lists PHP 5.4 as the minimum version https://plugins.trac.wordpress.org/browser/syndication-links/tags/4.2.1/readme.txt
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GWG Yes, I just upped it recently
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GWG I will eventually get to 5.6
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[Michael_Beckwit that said, if you prefer no trickling in namespaces at the moment, i’ll amend the PR
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m fine either way, especially with already existing plugins
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Not sure my opinion as to whether I should move from using classes to do the same thing to namespaces
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GWG I probably should
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GWG The other question is that isn't the compatibility file doing the same function as the class-social-plugins file and shouldn't we consider merging them?
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[Michael_Beckwit that file to me looked like some sort of general helper class, but if it’s meant for integrations like this one, i can definitely move mine into that
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GWG I would like to write a new integrations section of the plugin with better documentation
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GWG May use your PR as an excuse to rethink that
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GWG That's why I am wondering if it is a good time to consider namespacing
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[Michael_Beckwit hmm
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GWG I would like to encourage more integration, and a cleaner rewrite might do that
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GWG On the other hand, someone is going to ask if it supports Gutenberg one day
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GWG I'm not sure if it should
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GWG I still don't get Gutenberg for data added automatically to a post
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[Michael_Beckwit hard to say if/when WP core may remove custom metabox support completely
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GWG They have a sidebar API for Gutenberg
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GWG It's more I can't understand how people visualize post meta added to a post in the new world
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GWG I'll
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[Michael_Beckwit if you can recall, is this the official Medium plugin that you added support for at [chrisaldrich]’s request ? https://wordpress.org/plugins/medium/
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Loqi [A Medium Corporation] Description This plugin has been closed as of August 28, 2019 and is not available for download. This closure is permanent. Reviews Worked fine, until it didn’t. czn1 March 21, 2019 ...
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GWG Yes
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[Michael_Beckwit room to remove support for since they closed the plugin, unless Chris is still actively using it 😄
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chrisaldrich I'm not and others may not be. The question before closure though is where did the syndication links get stored?
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chrisaldrich If I recall, the plugin used the Medium storage and not it's own, so disabling that plugin (now shuttered) means all those syndication links disappear even though they still exist on medium.
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GWG I believe I may have copied them.
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m not seeing any spot where they’re stored, but i could be wrong
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GWG chrisaldrich: Find a post with one, disable medium, and see if it is still there
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GWG I remember doing it for SNAP when I dumped it
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chrisaldrich I'll run a quick test tonight when I'm back home. I seem to recall they lived in Medium's storage space and disabling that plugin made them all disappear.
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chrisaldrich I could be wrong.
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GWG If so, I could write the necessary migration code
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GWG I remember doing it once
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: Block templates might be an option for Syndication Links
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[Michael_Beckwit would make it easier to choose where to display
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[Michael_Beckwit instead of just appending to the end of the_content
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[Michael_Beckwit wouldn’t necessarily change how they’re added though
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GWG [Michael_Beckwit: For now, I am going to finish some projects
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GWG I have webmentions and IndieAuth at least
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GWG And some guy suggested refbacks
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[Michael_Beckwit as always, zero rush on the PRs
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[Michael_Beckwit unless Matthias swoops in
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GWG Matthias? Not on Syndication Links, he's not a contributor
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[Michael_Beckwit ah
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GWG I jump around
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GWG Syndication Links, Post Kinds, and Simple Location are ones he's not a user or contributor on
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GWG He created Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks, but I became a major contributor
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GWG He abandoned IndieAuth and I took it over in the IndieWeb repository, but he's still my primary reviewer.
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GWG Abandoned in the sense he had always meant to make it an endpoint but had not gotten to it
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GWG I keep wanting to iterate on IndieAuth to make it more robust
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GWG I wish it could enter Core
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GWG But they want to go another way
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chrisaldrich I simply mentioned refbacks. I couldn't recommend you spend a huge amount of time on it. It is an interesting notification mechanism, but unless there's de-duping, it's more trouble to use than it's worth.
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[jeffpaul] GWG: if we were to add backfeed support to our Autoshare for Twitter plugin, is https://indieweb.org/backfeed#Twitter the most current source of how to actually go about doing that?
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[jeffpaul] and in terms of adding Syndication Links support, is that just adding rel-syndication/u-syndication links when tweets are sent out from those posts/pages/cpts?
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[snarfed] [jeffpaul] just fyi twitter is one of the hardest silos to backfeed for, since the API doesn't support fetching a tweet's replies _or_ favorites
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[jeffpaul] :barf:
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[snarfed] yuuup
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[snarfed] consider starting with a different easier silo if possible
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GWG [jeffpaul]: You can link into my Syndication Links plugin easily for the links
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[snarfed] [jeffpaul] feel free to borrow code from https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/twitter.py, particularly the `fetch_replies` and `favorites_html_to_likes` methods
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