#wordpress 2023-05-25

2023-05-25 UTC
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[tantek] Is anyone using the ActivityPub for WordPress plugin to use their domain as their username for fediverse/Mastodon interop? I saw that [pfefferle] is using @pfefferle@notiz.blog but I'm looking for examples like just @notiz.blog or @-@ style @notiz.blog@notiz.blog ? I didn't see any in https://indieweb.org/WordPress_ActivityPub_plugin#IndieWeb_Examples or https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub#IndieWeb_Examples
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[tantek] GWG perhaps you are?
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[pfefferle] We just think about a blog user, that publishes all blog posts regardless of the author
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[pfefferle] And this was one proposal, the problem is, that http://fed.brid.gy is already using it and there seem to be people who are using both
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[pfefferle] Only the domain @notiz.blog is not working
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[pfefferle] If the feature is released I think about using either @mailto:notizblog@notiz.blog or @mailto:notiz.blog@notiz.blog
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[pfefferle] And that will show up as simply @notizblog or @notiz.blog in the UI
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[pfefferle] mailto:pfefferle@notiz.blog is because I started user-centric and not blog-centric
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[tantek] I like that when I use @tantek.com@tantek.com it's simple, consistent, predictable. There's no confusion over (slightly) different things being before/after the middle "@"
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[tantek] domain as username *is* still user-centric, the point is user-centered domains, rather than user-centered accounts on domains
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[tantek] and my @-@ does "simply" show up as @tantek.com in the Mastodon UI / posts etc.
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[pfefferle] True. But it does not always work… it might be difficult for long domains or the http://WordPress.com structure
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[pfefferle] @pfefferle.wordpress.com@pfefferle.wordpress.com :face_with_peeking_eye:
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[tantek] @domain@domain also avoids the confusion of, is this thing "like" an email address? can/should I email it?
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[tantek] (because it's definitely not 🙂 )
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[tantek] in that way I believe @domain@domain is more clearly/predictably user-friendly than @username@domain
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[tantek] IMO it should be the default for any plugins, to help people get it right without having to fiddle with settings
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[snarfed] related background: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22213 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3 . (early BF history, it originally used @me@domain, but switched to @domain@domain pretty quickly)
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[tantek] and then maybe an option to opt-out with "[ ] This is a multi-user blog, please use username@domain" or something like that
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[tantek] but that should require explicit action, not implicit
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[pfefferle] Have you seen my http://WordPress.com example [tantek] ?
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Loqi [preview] [Ciantic] #22213 Feature: Allow to use domains as handles, e.g. @domain.tld with webfinger acct:*@domain.tld
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[tantek] I didn't see it on either of the two pages I cited above
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[tantek] [pfefferle] where is that example documented on the wiki?
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[pfefferle] Not in the wiki, some comments above
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[pfefferle] It looks really bad with the subdomain structure
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[tantek] wait is that a working example?
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[pfefferle] Nope
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[tantek] ah I'm looking for real world examples
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[pfefferle] Because it looks so ugly
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[tantek] yet it's not displayed that way in Mastodon for example
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[tantek] also http://Wordpress.com is not an IndieWeb (personal) domain so I'm not worried about that either
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[pfefferle] As I said we discuss that currently for the single-user mode of the activitypub plugin
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[tantek] it's kinda ok if this technique "only" works well for actual IndieWeb sites — IndieWeb-centered design is completely ok
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[pfefferle] At least for the .org version
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[tantek] sure, is anyone using it though? and why isn't that the default?
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[pfefferle] Because you can’t change the username atm
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[pfefferle] It uses the login
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[pfefferle] Speaking for the AP plugin
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[pfefferle] But I am not sure if this is a common pattern for non techies? I asked on Mastodon for ideas how to name the blog-wide user and nearly all mentioned “usernames”
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[pfefferle] If you are interested https://mastodon.social/@pfefferle/110422213725766877
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Loqi [preview] [Matthias Pfefferle] RE: ActivityPub Plugin for WordPress: let's assume I would work on a feature that would allow you to follow a complete blog, what would be the best identifier for that account? `@feed@example.org`? `@blog@example.com`? What are your ideas?https://git...
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[pfefferle] But the domain idea was also mentioned https://sociale.network/@oblomov/110422244704732958
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GWG I missed a conversation
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[chrisbergr] I think [tantek] has some pretty good points here. After reading all that (especially the relatable cunfusing with email problematic) I'd also prefer @tld@tld - But I'm always a fan of giving the user the choice.
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greglopez Ugh, using markdown in Wordpress feels a bit confusing, but then again I'm such a novice at it. I find myself reverting back to HTML to do things as simple as creating a blank line between a heading and a paragraph.
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[tantek] You're not supposed to have to need to be an "expert" at Markdown, that's the fault of the design of Markdown, not yours. If it makes you feel like a novice, it's not a good plain text format
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[tantek] [pfefferle] see my citation of the original @-domain posts, it's been a "thing" since before Mastodon
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[tantek] Curious which "the beginning" oblomov is referring to
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greglopez <[tantek]> "You're not supposed to have to..." <- I probably should have said neophite, not novice... either way it's a syntax I'm just starting to learn and I stumble a bit over it.
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