#wordpress 2024-07-19
2024-07-19 UTC
# Zic I didn't mean to offend with my question. I'm just being direct.
# Zic Why do I think built-in comments in WordPress are not cool?
# Zic 1. In many cases they cause delays in page loading
# Zic 2 Requires anti-spam plugins
# Zic 3. It takes a lot of work to make the comment form look elegant or use more plugins
# Zic 4. default behavior - load all comments at once (if you don't want this, install another plugin).
# Zic I could list a few more points why I think that built-in comments in Wordpress are a dead end
# Zic Maybe I'll write right away what I mean
# Zic IndieWeb -> Webmention has a bright future ahead of it
# Zic At some point WordPress comments will become a burden for IndieWeb (plugin dependent on comments).
# Zic From my limited perspective, it seems like this should be moved outside of WordPress. For example, a Lamp stack app or even Docker. You can use any programming language, not just what WordPress imposes (php).
# Zic I know that not everyone can install a server application on a server. Maybe then there would be a place for a server for such a thing - a community server.
# Zic With good tutorials I was able to run a couple of LAMP server apps (I don't consider myself a devops person). If someone can use WordPress and configure IndieWeb with all the plugins then such an IndieWeb server app shouldn't be a challenge
# Zic Perhaps the following question is absurd:
# Zic What if WordPress drops comments? What about Webmention?
# Zic Having an external server application for Webmention, it would be enough to create a small plugin in IndieWeb that would allow You to indicate in the form of a shortcode where on the page the form (code fragment) referring to the server application should be placed.
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# Zic If my question offended anyone, I apologize.
# Zic I suspect there are arguments for using WordPress's built-in commenting system, but I don't see them.
# Zic You mean: there was no problem replacing from built-in WordPress comments? Or a problem staying in the built-in WordPress comment system?
# Zic Why would a server app be a limitation?
# Zic "You can definitely run a separate app if you prefer and you're comfortable with it, but most WordPress users don't want to be a sysadmin. Clicking "Add Plugin" and configuring a few things is preferable for a lot of people" -> That's why I wrote about a public server (associated with an account). The server application would be only for those who want to have their own instance.
# Zic e.g. webmention.social
# Zic I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just thinking out loud.
# Zic Yesterday's conversation @GWG and @nsmsn was about the necessity of editing the file: wp-config.php However, maintaining plugins costs a bit more effort
# Zic I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. To avoid any confusion, I didn't mean to turn everything upside down with my question. I simply wrote that an external application can provide some capabilities that are limited by WordPress' built-in commenting system.
# Zic If someone does not trust a public server (e.g. has been blocked), and the application installed on the server is open source, then this blocked person can install the application on their device (this is an instance).
# Zic "Are you talking about ActivityPub or Webmentions?" I referred to Webmention. But Any of the above. They can even be both.
# Zic In many cases I have trouble describing what I want to say, but I always try to explain.
# Zic I guess I'm the only skeptic when it comes to keeping anything in the comment database
# Zic Keeping everything local definitely has its benefits that I'm unable to see.
# Zic In my opinion, such a server app for comments and everything else that Webmention offers would seem to be a more scalable solution.
# Zic Separating Webmention from WordPress comments would make it an independent, atomic service. Not just targeted at WordPress. How much work could be saved.
# gRegor Have you seen https://indieweb.org/Webmention and all the implementation examples?
# Zic Thank you for the conversation. I already look like a zombie. I'm going to bed. I hope that tomorrow someone will find time to read my thoughts/arguments and share their reflections on this topic.
# gRegor https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publishing_Software more specifically
# Zic I've never used the phrase that Webmention is specialized for WordPress. In my speculations I wondered if the Webmention plugin could be in an external application and not in the comment database (WordPress)
# Zic Thank you for the conversation, good night :)
# nsmsn The endpoint discovery is at https://nicksimson.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint does that seem right?
# IWDiscord <nsmsn>
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# nsmsn Are you familiar with "Decisions, Not Options", GWG? https://wordpress.org/about/philosophy/
# nsmsn [edit] Are you familiar with "Decisions, Not Options", GWG? https://wordpress.org/about/philosophy/
# nsmsn I got the mention! It went to my spam. Now I just need to figure out the block-y stuff to get it to appear on my page. https://nicksimson.com/mentions/
# nsmsn [edit] I got the mention! It went to my spam. Now I just need to figure out the block-y stuff to get it to appear on my page. https://nicksimson.com/mentions/
# nsmsn [edit] I got the mention! It went to my spam. Now I just need to figure out the block-y stuff to get it to appear on my page. https://nicksimson.com/mentions/
# nsmsn And I'm curious to find the discussion in GitHub or elsewhere to deprecate pingbacks/trackbacks in the Block Editor...https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/#how-do-i-send-a-trackback-classic-editor-only
# nsmsn [edit] And I'm curious to find the discussion in GitHub or elsewhere to deprecate pingbacks/trackbacks in the Block Editor...https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/#how-do-i-send-a-trackback-classic-editor-only
# nsmsn [edit] And I'm curious to find the discussion in GitHub or elsewhere to deprecate pingbacks/trackbacks in the Block Editor...https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/#how-do-i-send-a-trackback-classic-editor-only
# nsmsn [edit] And I'm curious to find the discussion in GitHub or elsewhere to deprecate pingbacks/trackbacks in the Block Editor...https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/trackbacks-and-pingbacks/#how-do-i-send-a-trackback-classic-editor-only
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