#indiewebcamp 2012-08-18

2012-08-18 UTC
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aaronpk tantek: how did you end up publishing your content to google's hub? I want to do that but I can't find any tools to actually make a subscribe request to them so they'll start pulling the feed
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aaronpk identi.ca is still complaining about my feed and not returning any helpful error messages
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tantek your second message contains the answer to your first
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tantek that is, on status.net or identica - add a remote subscription to your indieweb URL
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tantek status.net will auto-discover the google hub via the rel in your <head> on your indieweb home page
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tantek and then subscribe to it from that hub
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aaronpk ok, then I guess I only have one question: what are the exact requirements statusnet has on feeds? it doesn't like mine but doesn't tell me why
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tantek not sure - my feed is *very* minimal
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tantek feel free to copy what I'm doing ;)
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aaronpk I will try that then!
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tantek it's live generated via Falcon code
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tantek from the HTML5+hAtom data store :)
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aaronpk you still haven't posted the falcon source anywhere ;)
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tantek I've posted *some* of it - in cassis.js
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tantek as I cleanup/move more of it from sloppy PHP to clean CASSIS, I open source it to cassis.js
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tantek eventually I may split off the Falcon CASSIS from core CASSIS
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tantek and put it in a separate file
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tantek as well as hypertalk CASSIS
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aaronpk I think what's missing is at least an explanation of your data store mechanism and description of the overall structure of your site
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aaronpk it's a very unique approach
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tantek so if you're looking for Falcon functions, you can find a whole bunch of them in cassis.js
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tantek yes - I should publish an architecture diagram
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tantek so at least it's clearer which pieces have been open sourced and which haven't
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tantek todo: add that to my Falcon wiki page at tantek.com/w/Falcon
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aaronpk turns out identica doesn't like <content type="html"> with a CDATA inside, it needs <content type="xhtml">
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tantek aaronpk - a-ha excellent discovery
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tantek I'm wondering if we should capture some of these bits of knowledge into a "how to setup your realtime feed" page on the indiewebcamp wiki
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tantek since it sounds like you've discovered a lot of it recently and it's fresh in your mind, feel free to do a braindump to a wiki page - I'm more than happy to edit and add contributions for other stuff I know of
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@pkbot mentioned in #indiewebcamp 2012-08-15 http://t.co/IMhmt54H [Google Alerts]
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aaronpk tantek: great idea
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barnabywalters looks through logs
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you've figured out the magic sauce for getting statusnet to like feeds?
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aaronpk not quite
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aaronpk but almost
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barnabywalters aw, I was getting all hopeful then :(
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aaronpk I definitely know some things not to do
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barnabywalters well that's a start - further than I got
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aaronpk I will write this up
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aaronpk and then you can try it and see if you can get farther
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barnabywalters go for it
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aaronpk it let me add the feed, but it hasn't pulled in any content yet
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barnabywalters I did have a look through the statusnet source to see if I could figure out *exactly* what happens when someone tries to subscribe to a remote feed, but couldn't find anything useful
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aaronpk oh true, didn't even think to look at the source
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barnabywalters When I was on diaspora I got annoyed with a member of the D* team wanting to build a syndicator to statusnet, so I tried to subscribe to my D* feed from identica. Worked, but all the posts were in the wrong order
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barnabywalters so I think it is partly statusnet's weirdness
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barnabywalters can't we just ask evanpro?
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aaronparecki.com edited /Getting_Started (+12) "fix spelling of setup->set up" (view diff)
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barnabywalters might have found relevant parts of statusnet: http://gitorious.org/statusnet/mainline/blobs/master/lib/feedimporter.php
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barnabywalters also http://gitorious.org/statusnet/mainline/blobs/master/lib/feed.php
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aaronparecki.com created /Category:how (+73) "Created page with "This collection of articles should help you get started on the Indie Web."" (view diff)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: great!!
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aaronpk this is perfect
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aaronpk I think what's happening is they are catching all those "throw new ClientException" and returning a generic error to the screen that says "unable to add feed"
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barnabywalters that sounds likely
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barnabywalters it's a pity there are loads of dependencies, or we could grab the class and see where the exceptions are coming from
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aaronpk doesn't look too bad, looks like just activityutils would be enough
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barnabywalters I think there are quite a few
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aaronpk we don't care about the queue thingy
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barnabywalters Activity, Queue, various Exceptions
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aaronpk we could change ClientException to Exception safely
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barnabywalters but surely we need that file in order to run FeedImporter?
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aaronpk I may give this a shot
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (+17) "/* How */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters okay, I'll download a copy too and see what I can do
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aaronpk got it to parse something! http://test.aaronparecki.com/statusnet/
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barnabywalters beat me to it!
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barnabywalters okay, well it's not complaining about my feed
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aaronpk so it must do something else then, because I get "Could not set up remote subsscription" when I tru in identica
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barnabywalters well, it was worth a try
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barnabywalters perhaps we can persuade evanpro to make the errors a bit more useful
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barnabywalters isn't there some Loqi trick for leaving a message?
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Loqi yeah!
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters hello
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters !tell evanpro barnabywalters and aarokpk having trouble getting statusnet to accept our feeds, can we have more useful error messages please?
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 1 minute ago: hello
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk great
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that's really useful. Should be standard IRC functionality
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barnabywalters pity I spelt your nick wrong :|
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aaronpk heh, yea there's no way to un-do it
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barnabywalters Hmmm… unless we could nest a substitute command inside a tell command?
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aaronpk test
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barnabywalters gotta be worth a try…
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barnabywalters !tell aaronpk somethig splt wrng
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters !tell aaronpk s/somethig/something
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk I just found a PuSH->Jabber test bot!
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 36 seconds ago: somethig splt wrng
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Loqi aaronpk: barnabywalters left you a message 27 seconds ago: s/somethig/something
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tantek arronpk, perhaps have the !tell command execute the s/foo/bar pattern if seen on the previous tell to that recipient
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tantek e.g.
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barnabywalters aw, didn't work
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aaronpk could work, could also lead to more potential errors. would probably be easier to return an #id that could be used to cancel a !tell
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tantek !tell evanpro we're documenting how to create a realtime feed that statusnt accepts
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell evanpro s/statusnt/statusnet
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk ahh this is great: http://push-bot.appspot.com/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: woah, that looks cool. Should be good for testing PuSH
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aaronpk That's more like what I was looking for in the first place.
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barnabywalters aaronpk: have you managed to get the bot to work?
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aaronpk yea!
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aaronpk works with the indiewebcamp logs and also my notes feed
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barnabywalters I've not been able to — just made a jabber.org account and got a mac client
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aaronpk oh, I just used my google talk account with the Messages app
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barnabywalters ah, right
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barnabywalters could you do me a favour and try subscribing to http://waterpigs.co.uk/feed/barnaby/
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aaronpk looks like it worked
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barnabywalters cool
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aaronpk now you gotta ping the appspot hub to tell it there's new content
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barnabywalters can't remember if I set that up or not… it'll be buried deep in my current codeigniter mess
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barnabywalters ah, working for me now as well
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aaronpk got it!
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barnabywalters ha ha! Got an update in real time!
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barnabywalters sadly, the link doesn't work
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barnabywalters throws out old feed reader, I'm living in real time now!
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tantek woot!
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk ping
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Loqi pong
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barnabywalters aaronpk: what I wouldn't give to get a sneak peek at Loqi's source ;)
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barnabywalters bet there's all sorts of fun stuff we haven't figured out yet
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk ping
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Loqi pong
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aaronpk sorry, testing something
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barnabywalters aaronpk: both safari and PuSHbot are complaining about your articles feed
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aaronpk yea, I have some messy xml
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aaronpk oh sweet it works! Loqi is publishing to the hub now whenever a new message is received
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barnabywalters so this IRC channel has a feed now?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/logs
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barnabywalters cool
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barnabywalters ping
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Loqi pong
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aaronpk there's a 30-second buffer so it won't ping the hub more than once every 30 seconds
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aaronpk barnabywalters: just ran my articles.atom through Tidy and now it validates
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barnabywalters you can do that? awesome! subscribing…
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aaronpk ready? I'm going to send the ping
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barnabywalters I just got a ping containing all of the article
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barnabywalters s/article/articles
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Loqi barnabywalters meant to say: I just got a ping containing all of the articles
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aaronpk that should have been the notes
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barnabywalters go for it
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barnabywalters ah, my bad
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aaronpk here come articles
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barnabywalters got it!
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barnabywalters this PuSHbot is great
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aaronpk w00t
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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aaronpk yes it is
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barnabywalters way better for testing than the official subscriber app
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aaronpk course what I really want is a PuSHBot->IRC
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aaronpk but this is good for testing
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aaronpk I will have to make my own IRC PuSH client
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barnabywalters aaronpk + tantek: just deployed a test version of my new site, can you try out the auth please?
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barnabywalters http://test.waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters when you've logged in (link at bottom of page) a new note should appear in /notes/ that wasn't there before
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aaronpk which note?
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aaronpk I successfully logged in
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barnabywalters http://test.waterpigs.co.uk/notes/222
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aaronpk it says not authorized!
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barnabywalters hmmm
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barnabywalters that is wrong
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barnabywalters give me a min
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barnabywalters can't figure this one out right now so I'll leave it for the mo
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aaronpk odd
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barnabywalters yep, it's aways worked before when I've simulated people being logged in
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aaronpk maybe missing a "/" or something?
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barnabywalters the URI I'm storing in the session matches the URI in the auth tag exactly
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barnabywalters to make something private I add a tag like: private-aaronparecki.com
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barnabywalters ah! found the 'bug'
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barnabywalters was actually a missing comma *embarrassed*
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barnabywalters give it another shot now
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk aha! there it is!
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aaronpk nicely done
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barnabywalters wey hey! indieauth + tagauth finally pays off
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barnabywalters thanks
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aaronpk just added shortlink support! http://aaron.pk/a4KB1
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