#indiewebcamp 2013-01-20
2013-01-20 UTC
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Loqi 1 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/782f6121ca64...6b0c31c94f4b
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aaronpk there were two problems: 1) Github started enforcing redirect URI mismatch more strictly (https != http anymore), and 2) OmniAuth was reporting the wrong problem https://github.com/intridea/omniauth/issues/658
# aaronpk !tell barnabywalters thanks for the bug report: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/8
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tantek.com created /Template:unknown (+99) "Created page with "<span style="display:inline-block" (view diff)
# tantek.com created /Template:indieauth-status (+188) "draft, assume down unless someone has gotten it working, and then they can edit this accordingly to change the status. github was down yesterday per Phae & rachelwente, Geoloqi down yesterday per rachelwente" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+134) "add indieauth status template, move last year's talk to a new talks section" (view diff)
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# Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 26 minutes ago: thanks for the bug report: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/8
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barnabywalters Hey tommorris and tantek_
# barnabywalters Great to hear the auth problems are being solved!
# barnabywalters aaronpk: What is the status of Geoloqi Indieauth? We should leave a tell message for rachelwente
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tantek hey aaronpk - could you add me to the "bureaucrats" group on indieweb.com so I can edit pages like http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin ?
# tantek.com created /Template:mostly (+98) "when stuff mostly works, but sometimes you get a weird error" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Special:Log/rights () "changed group membership for User:Tantek.com from sysop to sysop, bureaucrat" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Template:indieauth-status (+4) "Twitter, mostly (as of today, got an "Internal Server Error" from indieauth.com, and then it worked on the next try)" (view diff)
# tantek.com edited /Template:mostly (+105) "title attribute to give a hint as to what mostly means" (view diff)
# tantek huh - I don't seem to be able to edit this page: http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin
# tantek even if I try going to this URL by hand: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&action=edit
# tantek alright, for now status is just at the top right of http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth
# tantek If you're able to sign-in using one of the "down" providers, please edit this accordingly: http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:indieauth-status
# tantek.com edited /Template:indieauth-status (+54) "capture potential statuses so folks know what keywords to use when changing status" (view diff)
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# tantek also we've added a status indicator at the top of: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth - any/all feedback welcome
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rachelwente tantek Hi. Happy Sunday. Great news. I'll try again just as soon as I settle in for the afternoon.
# rachelwente I was going to finish my troubleshooting doc, but it may not be needed. (I started it last night and needed a few minutes more today before sharing: http://goo.gl/NJ4wv)
# tantek barnabywalters has filed a bunch of these as issues on the IndieAuth github repo: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues
# tantek.com edited /Template:indieauth-status (+143) "add links to specific github issues for the "down" providers (so at least there's another place people having problems can add comments, screenshots, etc.)" (view diff)
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# terbeaux @tantek, i was wrong about moxie's project. it does not replace dns. it replaces certificate authorities: http://convergence.io/
# Loqi 7 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/6b0c31c94f4b...cb8e331c7583
# barnabywalters aaronpk: thanks again for building+maintaining indieauth.com!
# barnabywalters rachelwente: Wow, great troubleshooting doc! I am intrigued as to what Snowy Dog means. Is it a tintin reference?
# barnabywalters tantek: hey, you never know, aaronpk might have made Loqi into a bot which listens to our complaints, formulates a test suite and evolves a codebase which satisfies it ;)
# rachelwente Yay! I'm in…. Thanks, aaronpk. I thought for sure it was me for a while there.
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@storytlr It took almost 1000 days... but Storytlr 1.2 is finally out ! http://blog.storytlr.org/entry/storytlr-12-is-finally-out--151-24886.html - now with #ostatus and #indieweb support !
# barnabywalters yay!
# barnabywalters eschnou: congrats on the 1.2 release! sounds like there’s some good stuff in there
# @storytlr Took almost 1000 days... storytlr 1.2 is finally out ! All issues fixed, and with #ostatus and #indieweb support. http://blog.storytlr.org/entry/storytlr-12-is-finally-out--151-24886.html #fsw
# eschnou barnabywalters, thanks, plenty of ideas for next steps. One thing I would really like to get working is cross-site mentioning. Will try salmon and web mentions.
# barnabywalters eschnou: I am working on that right now, I’m just writing the last tests and then I’ll deploy pingback send/receive support
# barnabywalters webmention next
# barnabywalters I am making the list of mentions into a PuSH subscribable feed
# barnabywalters so I get free notifications.
# eschnou barnabywalters, cool, let me know when you are done and we can try to do some interop testing.
# barnabywalters eschnou: that would be great!
# barnabywalters aaronpk: that’s the idea
# barnabywalters I did a prototype and the simple act of making mentions into a feed gets you twitter functionality for free built on open, widely implemented standards. yay!
# eschnou barnabywalters, but will it work if we have never interacted, because that's really want I want to achieve: to be able to mention you and you get the notification although you are not subscribed to me.
# barnabywalters tommorris: not quite, my mentions feed is a feed of all the times I have been mentioned by others
# eschnou what's the pro/cons wrt salmon ?
# barnabywalters eschnou: pingback+webmention will do that
# barnabywalters salmon less so, as it dependends on webfinger discovery
# barnabywalters which is awkward. I did try implementing Salmon a while back but got annoyed. Too much complexity, the dependency on webfinger, etc.
# eschnou barnabywalters, agree on the complexity, getting this crypto to work and interop is a pain !
# eschnou on another note, I'm missing an 'indieweb client'. Do you have any suggestion ? What are you using to consume other indieweb users feeds ?
# barnabywalters eschnou: at the moment, a statusnet install and an XMPP chat with PuSH bot
# barnabywalters which gets me iOS notifications
# barnabywalters both have problems. I have prototypes for my ideal feedreading app, which I will build out eventually
# eschnou I have some ideas/plans as well, this is a must do if we want to get this federation working somedays...
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tommorris https://github.com/tommorris/openstreetmap-website/commit/15a4cc43ff377eb55eee70503ed7ea3a7314da80 <-- patch for osm.org to add rel=me profile links
# rachelwente barnabywalters (delayed response) Snowy Dog is my sandbox for xml, drupal stuff, small project sites, etc. Love tintin
# rachelwente have a (red) snowy dog of our own: http://www.snowydog.com
# barnabywalters oh cool!
# rachelwente tantek barnabywalters I'll finish out the troubleshooting doc. Thanks for the kind words.
# barnabywalters tommorris: who calls the shots wrt osm frontend code?
# barnabywalters okay, I pushed my mentions module to http://waterpigs.co.uk/mentions
# barnabywalters my site now accepts and sends pingbacks for waterpigs.co.uk and photos.waterpigs.co.uk
# aaronpk nice! so after I log in, should I see something at /mentions?
# barnabywalters aaronpk: no, no-one has sent me any pingbacks in the 5 seconds since I deployed ;)
# barnabywalters I don’t think, anyway
# barnabywalters indieauth sounds like what it is
# barnabywalters aaronpk: and you improved what I was calling backfeedback to backfeed
# barnabywalters I’d say you’re pretty good at the naming thing!
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# barnabywalters ooh, I just remembered: FB will finally let me post statuses as public now so I can start experimenting with comment/like backdeed
# barnabywalters s/backdeed/backfeed
# eschnou tantek, no yet, I'm bad at writing documentation, but will do ! By the way, I was looking for the same on the indieweb wiki: a list of stuff to support
# barnabywalters tommorris: ha ha ha :)
# barnabywalters my software is called taproot, from http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/01/put-your-taproot-into-the-independent-web.php
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@hnfirehose Storytlr 1.2 is released, with OStatus and IndieWeb support.: http://blog.storytlr.org/entry/storytlr-12-is-finally-out--151-24886.html
# eschnou from your list, I'm missing PuSH in and not sure what you mean by hAtom for posts.
# tantek fails to find a mention of taproot on http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#experimental - ahem, barnabywalters
# barnabywalters tantek: well, it’s not very official yet, but I’ll add it anyway
# eschnou is browsing the hAtom spec
# eschnou tantek, no hAtom. thanks for pointing this out, should be straightforward to add.
# eschnou tantek, why do you need PuSH in ? You mean to syndicate external content in realtime in a PESOS flow ?
# tantek I figured. while you're there, be sure to add the latest "h-entry" as well: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
# tantek needs to iterate on and flesh out http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark
# eschnou tantek, thanks. So far storytlr is not a 'client' and I was thinking of decoupling the publish side from the client side. I'm still looking for a proper 'indieweb client' though, some ideas on building one myself.
# eschnou by client I mean to consume other indieweb users activities
# barnabywalters eschnou: +1 for the decoupling the client from publisher
# barnabywalters too many previous fsw efforts do this IMO
# barnabywalters see also http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/web-actions/ for the way I decouple publishers and clients
# barnabywalters does anyone’s site receive pingbacks? I’d like to test my mentions module
# barnabywalters aaronpk: okay, I’ll write a test note
# eschnou and on another note, I plan to write a client API to storytlr, so that I can start writing some clients. Any open standard in mind ? I was looking into AtomPub. Did not find anything else.
# barnabywalters tantek: when I post a note or an article. Within taproot, that’s an activitystreams.post.post event.
# barnabywalters Turns out activitystreams is quite useful for representing "objects" internally, even if I don’t like it’s actor/verb/object publishing model
# eschnou bookmarks metaweblogapi
# tantek points TomMorris to http://indiewebcamp.com/MetaWeblog and encourages him to feel free to add his opinions on it ;)
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@thibclaes RT @storytlr: Took almost 1000 days... storytlr 1.2 is finally out ! All issues fixed, and with #ostatus and #indieweb support. http://t ...
# barnabywalters tantek: at the moment I’m just pinging all the links on the page. If there are problems I’ll throttle it, possibly to links I’ve marked up with h-cite and h-card
# Loqi PING ALL THE LINKS http://loqi.me/6FY
# barnabywalters Loqi++
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# tantek.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+44) "/* IndieWeb Support */ handled as a service via pingback.me" (view diff)
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# barnabywalters aaronpk: okay, I made a note linking to all those sites. There was an uncaught curl exception which stalled most of the pingbacks, but I think one got through to oauth.net
# barnabywalters aaronpk: that’s great, I’m fixing the bug now
# barnabywalters I spelt cyborganythropology wrong and that stalled the others :/
# eschnou barnabywalters, I'm just reading through the specs and I don't understand why you need webmention if you have pingback support. Can you enlighten me ?
# barnabywalters eschnou: well, webmention is a nicer, ligther weight version of pingback
# barnabywalters without all the XMLRPC
# barnabywalters yeah, that’s why I wrote pingback support first ;)
# eschnou so i'll guess I write pingback first too :-)
# barnabywalters eschnou: it’d be great if you could make sure pingbacks are accepted for homepages, so we can use it as mentions infrastructure
# eschnou barnabywalters, that would be my #1 priority, to be able to receive mentions, and to mention others.
# barnabywalters tommorris: it’s on my todo list — the http client library I use supports parallel requests, but I haven’t figured out how to use them yet
# barnabywalters eschnou: cool!
# barnabywalters so does anyone’s site send pingbacks? may as well test the other half of mentions while I’m at it
# barnabywalters tantek: good plan
# barnabywalters never actually used wordpress, so this’d be a good chance to see what all the fuss is about
# barnabywalters tommorris: the signup flow is really nice
# tantek.com edited /pingback (+291) "FAQ: How do I test receiving pingbacks on my indieweb site" (view diff)
# barnabywalters oh wow my twitter archive is ready already and I only requested it ten seconds ago
# tommorris just remembered a particularly amusing CAPTCHA I saw a while back: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CAPTCHA_headshits.jpg
# barnabywalters yay! mentions work: http://waterpigs.co.uk/mentions
# barnabywalters tommorris: ha, nice
# barnabywalters goodnight all
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