#indiewebcamp 2013-01-21

2013-01-21 UTC
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tantek.com edited /backfeed (-46) "/* Related */ l pingback to our wiki page" (view diff)
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tommorris hey tantek
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tommorris check this out: http://tommorris.org/checkin/venue
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tommorris just a prototype, but I figure I may as well prototype in public
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tantek heh - I tried clicking the "nearby" button and got "We're sorry, but something went wrong."
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tantek no Geolocation prompt or nothin
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tommorris when you load the page, it should ask you in the browser to approve geolocation
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tommorris noscript?
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tantek and yay for prototype in public!
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tantek no I no have noscript
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tommorris I'll add a reverse geocoder tomorrow, so you can just type in like "Oxford Street, London" and it'll locate you
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tommorris strange, a few other people have had that problem.
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tommorris might not have found a location.
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tantek never even put up a prompt - note - I didn't sign-in first
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tommorris no, don't need to sign-in
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tommorris odd. I'll try and replicate tomorrow. just wanted to put it up there.
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tantek That was on Firefox 18.0
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tantek oh neat
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tommorris a more useful example: http://tommorris.org/checkin/venue/search?lat=51.509135&long=-0.123655
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aaronpk so how do you add something to the osm place database?
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tommorris aaronpk: you manually edit it. ;-)
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tommorris you can do it in browser. sadly, that requires Flash.
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tommorris I'm hoping that single-node addition becomes something that we'll be able to turn into an HTML5 thing rather than a Flash thing.
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tantek tommorris - or a backend OAuth'd API thing?
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tommorris sure
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tantek e.g. I add a new venue to my indieweb site, and if it's not on OSM, then my server adds it to OSM on my behalf
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tommorris yup, that's doable
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tommorris it's a bit of a faff, you have to create an XML changeset file, but that's easy enough to abstract away
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@brianjesse federated social web news - @storytlr users can follow @statusnet users and vice-versa - will @appdotnet play too? #indieweb #ostatus #rss
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tantek aaronpk - was rachel able to login?
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aaronpk I haven't heard back, last she said she'd try back this afternoon
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aaronpk (not sure what timezone)
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aaronpk is rewriting indieauth to be more asynchronous to give better feedback and provider better error handling
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tantek nice!
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aaronpk yea, been bugging me for a while
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terbeaux hello,
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@voxpelli @superfeedr Any plans to support hAtom and Pubsubhubbub 0.4? http://indiewebcamp.com/discovery ;)
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tommorris barnabywalters: you ask a good question
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barnabywalters tommorris: it was my brother :)
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barnabywalters he claims he knew it was a name all along, but I am not fooled
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tommorris some people on IRC have confused it with the word "tomorrow".
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tommorris which reminds me, is there any plan to make indieweb-reply available as a precompiled xpi for FF?
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barnabywalters tommorris: probably, I’m not a FF extension expert, I’ll have a look
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barnabywalters tommorris: check out https://github.com/barnabywalters/IndieWeb-Reply-Browser-Extension/blob/master/output/indiewebreply_0.9.xpi
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barnabywalters looks like it’s automatically generated by kango when I build all the extensions
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Loqi BUILD ALL THE EXTENSIONS http://loqi.me/6Fz
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tommorris barnabywalters: cheers
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Loqi 27 files modified, 7 new files in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/cb8e331c7583...839f49d4be6a
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Loqi aaronpk: New routes to enable asynchronous profile verification
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Loqi aaronpk: Refactors code to verify profile links asynchronously. Still need to finish round-trip flow.
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Loqi aaronpk: Finishes the round-trip auth.
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Loqi aaronpk: fix login link, error message when no profiles found
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Loqi aaronpk: update to bootstrap 2.2.2
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Loqi aaronpk: don't return duplicate links. fix finding all providers for the list. add provider name and website. adds a message when no supported providers are found, and a message when one is found. updates progress icons to match the bootstrap color scheme
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Loqi aaronpk: adds a progress bar showing status of verifying all the links
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tommorris right, time to set up indieweb-reply properly in Firefox. I had it setup in Chrome for testing
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aaronpk hokai, major changes to indieauth!
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aaronpk try logging in to the wiki for a nice surprise
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aaronpk tantek: Phae: barnabywalters: tommorris: ^^
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barnabywalters aaronpk: cool, I’m giving it a go now
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tommorris ooh shiny
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barnabywalters WOAH
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barnabywalters that is *nice*
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tantek aaronpk, Logout page mislinks to OpenID again: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogout&returnto=Main_Page
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tommorris aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 58 karma
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barnabywalters aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 59 karma
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tantek links "log in again" to http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:OpenIDLogin
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barnabywalters logs out, then logs in again
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tommorris aaronpk, tantek: the MediaWiki side of indieauth - is that gonna be open sourced?
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aaronpk tommorris: I can, yea, it's really simple
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tommorris if you pop it up on Github, it'd be great to add that to the mediawiki.org wiki as one of the auth options
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tantek aaronpk - very nice progress indicator/report
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tantek heh I think I broke it with h2vx.com/vcf/tantek.com/%23contact :D
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aaronpk heh, screenshot?
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aaronpk my sites only have http rel=me links
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aaronpk oh I guess I can look at yours
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tantek just the spinny thing keeps spinning
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tantek and it's stuck on Verifying...
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aaronpk must be a glitch, I tried as you and it finished with "this is not a supported authentication provider"
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aaronpk luckily you don't actually have to wait for them all to load before clicking on one! :)
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tantek seriously!
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tantek oh I got this from trying github: You just authenticated as 'https://github.com/tantek' but your website linked to 'http://github.com/tantek/'
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aaronpk yea, so this is a funny problem
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tantek oh drat - it's github's fault
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tantek duplicate content
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tantek they don't redirect one to the other
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aaronpk how much of the URI needs to match before it's considered a valid match?
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tantek it needs to match
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aaronpk protocol too? https != http?
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tantek redirects are how to handle "/" stuff
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tantek redirects can handle https http also
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tantek so as long as there is redirect / rel-me equivalency, you're good
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aaronpk true, so I just need to make sure it's following redirects
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tantek but github is not redirecting
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tantek that's the problem
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aaronpk so then the question is how far should I break the rules to support things like that? or should I make the user change it to the exact match if github is not redirecting right?
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tantek don't break the rules
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tantek it would likely introduce a hole
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aaronpk true
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tantek we should report the issue against github somewhere
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tantek I don't know where to report issues on github.com itself
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Loqi agreed.
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tantek similar problem with Google:
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tantek You just authenticated as 'https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206' but your website linked to 'https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206/posts'
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tantek except google seems to redirect (maybe clientside?) this https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206 to https://plus.google.com/109182513536739786206/posts
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aaronpk yea I think it's client side, curl gets a 200
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aaronpk lol that sucks too
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tantek well, there is one rel-me rule that might help here
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eschnou hi all, i have two hAtom questions...
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barnabywalters eschnou: fire away
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eschnou 1. is there a validator somewhere ?
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tantek and problem with Twitter too: You just authenticated as 'https://twitter.com/t' but your website linked to 'http://twitter.com/t'
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barnabywalters eschnou: although perhaps #microformats might be a better channel?
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eschnou 2. how would you handle a microblog post content: entry-title or entry-content ?
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eschnou barnabywalters, duh ! is there really a #microformats channel ? awesome !
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tommorris giggles slightly at the idea of an indieweb validator. ;-)
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tantek aaronpk - and http://twitter.com/t *does* redirect to https://twitter.com/t
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tommorris confirms that you are all CONFORMING to do-your-own-thing.dtd
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tantek so that seems like something to be fixed in IndieAuth
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aaronpk tantek: that's a good question... so I should be following redirects on the links on your site to resolve them to the final URL?
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aaronpk right now it's just looking at them without following them
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tantek yes
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barnabywalters tommorris: it consists of me complaining about lack of rel=me :)
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eschnou tommorris, ok... I'll just use tantek as a validator.. if he likes it, I considered myself validated :-)
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eschnou so, just added hAtom to http://eschnou.com, was quite straightforward indeed.
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tantek eschnou - 2 is a good question for folks here for sure
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aaronpk tantek: would it be safe to make HEAD requests to follow redirects?
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tantek seems reasonable
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tantek aaronpk - note the point about "following any redirects" here: http://microformats.org/wiki/RelMeAuth#summary_algorithm
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aaronpk hrm, twitter doesn't send 301 on http://tantek.com/t or https://tantek.com/t
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tantek so they're doing it clientside also?
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aaronpk guess so, unless the HEAD request doesn't trigger the 301
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aaronpk no, looks like it's entirely client-side
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aaronpk ok I made an issue for it since Github does actually send the proper redirect https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/10
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aaronpk that's all I have time for right now! Hopefully this bit of progress makes it easier for people to figure out what's going on!
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tommorris indeed, the new version is quite lovely
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you’ve managed something I thought was impossible: making a non-effortless login really, really fun
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aaronpk thanks!
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tantek nice - thanks barnabywalters
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eschnou manually pingback barnabywalters : http://eschnou.com/entry/this-entry-and-this-page-are-now-hatom-enabled--who-needs-feeds-and-apis-w-62-24887.html
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eschnou barnabywalters, next for me is getting this cross-domain mention working for real, will ping you when ready to interop test
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barnabywalters eschnou: oh brilliant! yes, please do
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barnabywalters btw, you can leave messages with Loqi if people aren’t around
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barnabywalters like this:
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Loqi grins profusely
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barnabywalters !tell eschnou This message will pop up next time your username does something (logs in, talks, etc)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk whee
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eschnou barnabywalters, thanks !
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Loqi eschnou: barnabywalters left you a message 1 minute ago: This message will pop up next time your username does something (logs in, talks, etc)
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eschnou thanks all for the help, have a good day/night
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hadleybeeman Hey, I know a lot of you!
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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tantek welcome hadleybeeman
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hadleybeeman Thanks, tantek.
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tantek points hadleybeeman at https://indieauth.com/setup
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hadleybeeman Cheers... was just reading through that.
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terbeaux tantek: is it ok if i use a userdir web space for my identity? like https://invulnerable.org/~gardner instead of gardnerbickford.me
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tantek terbeaux - is it your domain?
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tantek if not, it's not really "indie" ;)
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terbeaux it is my domain
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tantek is it what you list on your twitter?
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tantek as your web site?
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terbeaux i used to list my github on my twitter but i updated it for etup
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terbeaux setup
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terbeaux there is nothing really on it. i host my mail and use the shell.
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terbeaux it is a vps in the netherlands :)
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tantek that's totally fine - you can even markup the existing content with an hCard :)
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terbeaux cool
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tommorris oh, a hadleybeeman in indiewebcamp? yet more of my social circles are collapsing into one another.
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