#indiewebcamp 2013-03-31

2013-03-31 UTC
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tantek ah ok - that's a reasonable fallback
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tantek as long as it points to *something*
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tantek is writing a ranty post about standards
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aaronpk perfect, thanks for the notes. I'm going to update this in a bit.
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tantek aaronpk: can you now review for me: http://tantek.com/2013/089/b1/web-standards-frustrations-constructive-suggestions
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tantek tommorris - if you're still awake, would appreciate if you took a look too
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tantek let me know if it sounds too ranty
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tantek (hopefully it's a quick read :) )
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aaronpk tantek-ipod: will do! I'm helping caseorganic edit her book ATM, will do next break I have
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tantek aaronpk - should only take you 1-2 minutes!
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aaronpk tantek: seems to be lacking a summary opening paragraph
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aaronpk according to http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/02/28/1/twelve-blog-post-writing-tips-checklist-edition
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tantek Aaronpk, yeah I think the emotional aspect may *be* the summary
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aaronpk ah, so your point is more about hte emotional aspect and less on the action items you list at the bottom?
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tantek And I wrote it in more of a conversational voice (accordingly) than an expositionary/explanatory voice
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tantek Plus I'm not sure a summary list out of context of the expansions would be that useful for these lists
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tantek The point is a combination I guess
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tantek But it's not just the list
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tantek Lists
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tantek Having reread the first para I'd say it is a summary, I reference the frustrations (plural) without listing them
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aaronpk gotcha
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tantek Alright, posted. Thanks much for the read/review/feedback aaronpk
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tantek I figure blogging about this stuff is better than ranting at people in email lists
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tantek Now to figure out how to constructively rewrite an email or two
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aaronpk heh. now you can just send a link to the post on the lists!
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tantek While more efficient that's not necessarily the shortest path to a positive outcome ;)
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tantek I think it's ok to be a bit more emo / personal on a blog than it is on email lists
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tantek Living room vs office
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tantek aaronpk - looking forward to your update to your app.net article
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tantek I don't want to jump the gun and tweet it before it's ready - so let me know :)
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tantek (it's really well written - heartfelt)
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aaronpk thanks :) going to have amber give it a look-over too
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tantek perhaps consider challenging Dalton to show up to IndieWebCamp and participate
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aaronpk ooh even better
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+699) "Aaronpk quits App.net" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: how come there's only one post here? http://identi.ca/t
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aaronpk I thought it was pulling in your content?
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aaronpk whoa... status.net is moving to http://pump.io/
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aaronpk er, moving the backend to
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aaronpk ok article is updated!
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tantek aaronpk - I'm not syndicating to identica
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aaronpk oh, I mis-heard
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tantek there's no need to
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tantek since status.net will directly subscribe to tantek.com across the web
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aaronpk oh right!
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tantek no need to copy into that silo
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tantek POSSE is only for silos that lack the ability to subscribe to feeds across the web
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tantek to subscribe to *others'* feeds across the web
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aaronpk any indiewebbers in Dublin??
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aaronpk i'll be there next weekend!
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@djp1974 @Shareable (2/n): but doesn't solve #API/#Reader engine prob. A real #collcon #indieweb solution would be #DIY #RSS: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/03/how-to-build-your-own-syncing-rss-reader-with-tiny-tiny-rss/
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@GridWideNews RT @Shareable: Great insights from @NickGrossman on the paradox of enhanced individuality &amp
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Loqi community of the #indieweb - http://t.co ...
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@sturlington Brain Pickings - http://www.brainpickings.org/ #indieweb
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aaronpk caseorganic: insanely long app.net thread in response to my article https://alpha.app.net/po/post/4346696
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aaronpk tantek: someone posted my app.net article to app.net, and people are completely missing the point! https://alpha.app.net/po/post/4346696
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aaronpk also ironically, the code I wrote to publish content to app.net broke (i think they changed their API), so now I can't reply to anyone unless I just write the content in app.net which I don't want to do!
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tantek aaronpk - so it *is* a country club circle jerk!
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aaronpk hah!
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tantek "won't (insert single point of failure free service here) achieve what he wants?"
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tantek aaronpk - you can reply by writing another post on your site, and using pingback or webmention on the links you reference (and then point out that app.net doesn't support those either)
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tantek would make a great follow-up
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aaronpk that's a good idea
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tantek you could easily refute the folks that don't get it (but are pretending they do)
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tantek sounds like they set you up for a perfect follow-up post :)
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aaronpk lol totally
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aaronpk and "if app.net actually supported pingbacks, then you would have seen this article as a reply in your app.net 'mentions' feed"
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tantek julien gets it: https://alpha.app.net/julien/post/4351511
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aaronpk yeah!
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tantek and: https://alpha.app.net/julien/post/4353830
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tantek and https://alpha.app.net/julien/post/4354059 !
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tantek aaronpk - you could screenshot the header at the top of those permalinks and start with that as being the problem
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tantek "Want to join the conversation? ( CREATE AN ACCOUNT > )"
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aaronpk hah nice
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tantek you should not have to create an account to join the conversation. that's the problem.
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Loqi yea
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tantek conversations across the web should work like conversations across email. I use my existing email address to join any email conversation. I want to use my existing website to join any web conversation.
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aaronpk tantek: thanks that's a perfect quote
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tantek oh darn - that means I should post it on my own site :)
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aaronpk hehe, then I can cite it
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tantek gimme a sec
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aaronpk when you put it that way, it's incredibly obvious, lol
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@t conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@julien51 RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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tantek boom
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk interesting use of a hashtag: https://alpha.app.net/julien/post/4355129
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tantek aaronpk - shortened that quote into (re)tweetable syndicated length: https://twitter.com/t/status/318389078494162944
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@t I can use my existing email address to join email conversations. I want to use my existing website not a silo account. (ttk.me t4PF3)
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aaronpk since you don't have an account on app.net, you can't be mentioned by @tantek, but you *can* be mentioned by a hashtag! #tantek https://alpha.app.net/hashtags/tantek
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tantek hilarious
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tantek do they track URL mentions too?
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aaronpk i would assume so since the API has lots of stuff to handle URLs and URL formatting explicitly
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tantek like /URLs/tantek.com or something
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tantek so I could see mentions of my site or any of my posts
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aaronpk that's actually something I"ve been thinking about for the past week or so...
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tantek sort of like a site-specific Technorati Cosmos
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aaronpk using URLs as hashtags essentially
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tantek (Technorati Cosmos was the original name given to Technorati link search)
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aaronpk with pingback/webmention everything's already in place
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tantek (because it would show you the cosmos of links around any other link)
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tantek aaronpk - yeah!
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aaronpk i.e. if I want to talk about indiewebcamp, I don't use #indiewebcamp, I just mention indiewebcamp.com
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tantek exactly
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aaronpk then like twitter has hashtag search pages, it would provide a search page showing mentions of a URL
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tantek except due to t.co, on Twitter it's better to mention @indiewebcamp which links to indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk it could be used for TLDs like indiewebcamp.com, but also for specific pages on a site like an event page, indiewebcamp.com/2013 for example
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tantek @indiewebcamp is less than 20 characters
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tantek yes
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tantek that too
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aaronpk i'm actulaly part way through an implementation of this since i've been slowly working on "indienews"
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tantek sweet
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aaronpk gotta run to breakfast, but will hopefully be able to write this up in a post after!
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tantek ah you added the challenge to Dalton
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tantek have you made all the edits to your open challenge post that you wanted to?
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tantek aaronpk were you going to mention status.net in your post?
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aaronpk i wanted to, but I couldn't find a good place for it. also they're changing to a different backend now so i'm a little confused
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aaronpk ok ttyl
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tantek ttyl!@
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@ryaninthefog RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@Makkes RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@charlieok RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@matro RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@toobdesign RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@sandeepshetty RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@fdevillamil RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@chiragdave RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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@gigabates RT @t: conversations on email do not require creating new accounts. neither should conversations on the web. #ADN #indieweb (ttk.me t4PF2)
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barnabywalters Good evening from iceland, indiewebcampers!
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aaronpk barnabywalters: wow cool!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: Yeah, I arrived late last night, spent today wandering round with Brian and visiting the office
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barnabywalters That ADN thread in response to your challenge is funny
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk i'm writing up a response to it now
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aaronpk had to build my pingback client first so I can actually send out pingbacks and webmentions now!
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/mention-client
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barnabywalters Great stuff — there’s a lack of good php Pingback libraries
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aaronpk agreed!
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barnabywalters You should consider making it PSR 0 autoloadable and putting it on packagist
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barnabywalters I could send a pull request in a day or two if you like
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Loqi definitely
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barnabywalters Whatever you say, Loqi :)
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aaronpk ah good call!
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aaronpk yea I'd appreciate the PR!
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barnabywalters Okay, I’ll be in the office tomorrow afternoon so I’ll try to get it done then
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aaronpk sweet! I haven't done much with PHP package managers yet so it's still a bit new to me
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barnabywalters Yeah, IMO composer + packagist are on a par with NPM
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barnabywalters Understanding the namespace based auto loading can be a bit funny at first, but once it's sorted it works seamlessly
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aaronpk awesome. I should probably do that with more of the libraries my site uses
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barnabywalters And the composer command line util is really well designed (helpful error messages, etc)
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