#indiewebcamp 2013-06-17

2013-06-17 UTC
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@xtof_fr Coacher ses données pour mieux surfer http://www.20minutes.fr/magazine/secoacher/optimisersonquotidien/coacher-ses-donnees-pour-mieux-surfer/ #ownyourdata #privowny cc @MyDataLabs
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Loqi [mention] http://perfectpath.co.uk/2013/06/17/barcamp-berkshire-day-2-thought-link-dump-bcb13/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@sandeepshetty Hi, my is Sandeep and I was a bootstrapaholic: http://www.sandeep.io
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tantek aaronpk, any idea how to debug a 401 error from Twitter's OAuth? Been having trouble upgrading to the 1.1 API :9
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tantek :(
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tantek (since you're the one writing the book on OAuth ;) )
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tantek (in particular I've been trying to update the RelMeAuth prototype to use Twitter API v1.1)
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tantek http://tantek.com/relmeauth/
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tantek nevermind about the rel-me part (that will take additional debugging) but just try to sign in with a Twitter profile URL, e.g. https://twitter.com/aaronpk
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tantek This is the open github issue on the update problem: https://github.com/themattharris/RelMeAuth/issues/2
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@egadenne @AriVartan @xtof_fr @nicolas2fr @robert_vinet = t'associer á nos brainstorming + á la maj de notre wiki avec #IndieAuth + #IndieWeb etc
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aaronpk tantek: wow was not expecting that response re: measures
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JonathanNeal hello
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barnabywalters RE the whole measures thing: if you’re just going to canonicalise the value + space + unit anyway, why not just use data and have the @value be the canonical value? that’s pretty much how <time> works after all
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barnabywalters then it’s up to the application to decide what to do with the value
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barnabywalters as is the case with datetimes/times/dates/tzs
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aaronpk barnabywalters: that means adding a unit attribute to data?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that’s one option, but IIRC tantek’s suggestion was to canonicalise the parsed measure + unit into a standard “value + space + unit” string. So why not start with that in the first place instead of new microformats, elements or attributes
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barnabywalters e.g:
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barnabywalters <data class="p-weight" value="12kg">twelve kilos</data>
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barnabywalters follows the standard <data value="machine readable">human readable</data>
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barnabywalters which is exactly how <time> works
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barnabywalters it would also make the probably-common usage of marking up values which are already machine readable, e.g: <data class="p-weight">12kg</data>
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barnabywalters *make that usage easier, rather
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barnabywalters off for National Day celebrations. bbiab
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tantek barnaby's suggestion is a good one, we can start with using <data> as he suggests, and see if there is any usability / data quality benefits to be gained from using a separate <measure> element or not.
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aaronpk makes sense
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aaronpk unit names never contain digits, so there should be no ambiguity in joining the number and unit into the same string
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tantek CSS has a lot of experience with parsing number+unit
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tantek and specifying as such
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aaronpk ok now I have http://aaronparecki.com/metrics/2013/06/01/074731.json
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aaronpk oh good point!
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tantek so I'd start with referencing the syntax that CSS uses
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tantek re-using the syntax/grammar for such units accordingly
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aaronpk guess I shouldn't have started my research by looking here http://microformats.org/wiki/measure ;)
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tantek yes, and that page needs *a lot* of updating - it's very out of date
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aaronpk I was so busy trying not to re-invent research done in microformats already that I didn't "think outside the box"
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tantek it's always good to try not to re-invent
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tantek and read up on previous research
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tantek it doesn't mean you can't improve upon it :)
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tantek simplify it
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tantek a lot of ideas / proposals are overly complex until someone comes up with a clever simplification
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tantek typically complex ideas precede simpler ideas
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aaronpk well my first pass was to convert the microformats-1 research into the microformats-2 way of doing things
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aaronpk i think I captured that pretty well regardless
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tantek yeah
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tantek aaronpk - you have some time this late afternoon / early evening? (in Portland)
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tantek I'm going to be in town and could desperately use some OAuth debugging help :/
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tantek happy to write-up anything/everything publicly and contribute it as raw troubleshooting material to your book etc.
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tantek (which I think is one of the hardest parts of OAuth - it's much harder to debug than username/pw APIs)
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aaronpk oh! cool.
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aaronpk yea that should work... amber and I are going to work on slides for a bit this evening, but would be great to meet up
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tantek great
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tantek here's the live thread of the issue I'm working through (in public of course) https://github.com/themattharris/RelMeAuth/issues/2
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JonathanNeal hi
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JonathanNeal hi tantek, what's new?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:RecentChanges ;)
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cweiske aaronpk, about parsing http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/04/19/2/indieweb
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cweiske what's the algorithm of separating the real author from the other authors in the h-entry?
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tantek cweiske see: /authorship
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship
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cweiske thanks
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aaronpk here's what I expect it to be parsed as: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/04/19/2/indieweb.json
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JonathanNeal tantek: you're the only person I know who does that.
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JonathanNeal It's fun.
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tantek who does what?
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cweiske aaronpk marks up his bookmarks as class="bookmark type-bookmark" and has two links in it
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cweiske one for the bookmark link and one for the permalink of his bookmark
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cweiske how would you suggest to mark up bookmarks? u-bookmark?
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cweiske the irc log of the bookmark discussion last time didn't contain that aspect
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aaronpk where'd you find that?
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aaronpk I haven't done any mf2 stuff with my bookmarks yet
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cweiske http://aaron.pk/bookmarks/
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cweiske it ain't mf2, that's right
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JonathanNeal Still fails, btw https://indieauth.com/auth?me=jonathantneal.com
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aaronpk that's cause twitter is t.co'ing your website, look at the source on twitter.com/jon_neal
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/7 (known issue)
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JonathanNeal I don't suppose there's any way around that right now.
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aaronpk unfortunately no, the best alternative is to use Github right now
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JonathanNeal okay, i'll try that, aaronpk.
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: the other bug is that it does not support protocol-less urls.
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