#indiewebcamp 2013-06-20

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@trendingstream The Independent Web &amp
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Loqi IndieWebCamp
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: IndieAuth not working for github
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Fhhjg hiii
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sandeepshetty github.com/sandeepshetty There was an error verifying this provider. Confirm you have a rel="me" link on this site pointing to your website.
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Fhhjg i show my cok on skype
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sandeepshetty I can see the rel="me" on https://github.com/sandeepshetty: <a href="http://sandeep.io" class="url" rel="nofollow me">http://sandeep.io</a>
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sandeepshetty Can't login to the wiki :(
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www.identitywoman.net edited /2013/Guest_List (+296) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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www.identitywoman.net edited /2013/Guest_List (+15) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty !tell aaronpk: IndieAuth not working for Github http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-06-19#t1371687332
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd.com edited /2013/Guest_List (-32) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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www.identitywoman.net edited /2013/Guest_List (+56) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell sandeepshetty for some reason it's not following your sandeep.io -> www.sandeep.io redirect anymore. looks like it will work with www.sandeep.io now. also I fixed twitter logins. I'll see if I can fix this tonight
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Loqi aaronpk: sandeepshetty left you a message 2 hours, 3 minutes ago: IndieAuth not working for Github http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-06-19#t1371687332
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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tantek for the few of you who do PESOS from Twitter, FYI: https://twitter.com/michielbdejong/status/347438063187804161
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@michielbdejong @twitterapi https://dev.twitter.com/terms/api-terms says "Exporting Twitter Content [...] is not permitted." - Does that also forbid http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS
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tantek.com edited /PESOS (+394) "/* Disadvantages */ Twitter TOS disallows "Exporting Twitter Content to a datastore as a service or other cloud based service" (!!)" (view diff)
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@TeaWithCarl RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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@t @veganstraightedge Costa Rica not #indiewebcamp?
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@ayirpelle RT,@t What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp? Fast-paced 20 min @haxor @t conversation video: http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Qa1)
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@haxor RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (-27) "sort, update counts, move Shane to remote" (view diff)
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@netzwertig Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/
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@onlinemedia24 Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln: Das Notizblog über den Aufstieg des IndieWebs und mehr. http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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@ThermerGruppe Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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erinjorichey.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+35) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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@OnlineNewsDE Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/
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@cstanhope @t @indiewebcamp @haxor Great video, gentlemen!
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@cstanhope RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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@rf4social Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln: Neuland Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel hat in… http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/
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@favouriteblogs Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln: Das Notizblog über den Aufstieg des IndieWebs und mehr.Mehr zum ThemaLinkwertig: Telek...
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@danilop1968 Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln: Das Notizblog über den Aufstieg des IndieWebs und mehr. http://adf.ly/QoGGt
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@xtof_fr #butterfly #silo #flickr - #shutterfly #indieweb
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perltraining.com.au edited /2013/Guest_List (+396) "/* Creators */ Added @pjf" (view diff)
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@unhosted RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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@edsu RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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pfefferle how do you folks validate webmentions exactly? do you accept them only when there is a class="u-in-reply-to" or do you regexp the content if there is the target url mentioned?
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cweiske depends what you want to display
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cweiske my implementation has several response types : bookmarks, comments and links
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cweiske comments are posts that have in-reply-to
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cweiske bookmarks want a link with a bookmark class (that's not standardized yet)
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pfefferle as rel oder class?
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cweiske and links are the rest that have the link to my page within the h-entry
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pfefferle oh man… i think i have to refactor a lot if i get it to work finally :)
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cweiske yes. I learned this night that I can't use xpath to parse microformats
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cweiske which means I have to throw away 3 days of work
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pfefferle :(
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Loqi *sniff*
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pfefferle and i have to use live debugging via email, because wordpress doesn't send ping backs on a local system
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cweiske pfefferle, I'd dig into wordpress then and find where it disables it
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cweiske btw, I used the wrong CLI arguments for my own pingback server yesterday and it went amok, sending out pingbacks from my dev system to the world, too :)
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cweiske 200 or so
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pfefferle :D
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erikmaarten pfefferle: I was just thinking about that question too -- until now, my "validation" has only been looking for an address corresponding to some permalink on my side, but working on it ...
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erikmaarten I will try to use the in-reply-to, though that depends on everybody else actually using that format in posts. Well, I assume that's the standard.
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pfefferle i ran into a problem with the validating yesterday and thought it was a wrong implementation, but the post wasn't marked up like i expected it to be...
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cweiske pfefferle, I made a small testsuite
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cweiske https://github.com/cweiske/indieweb-testfiles
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cweiske it provides some html files that link to each other
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cweiske one with reply-to, the other one as normal link
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pfefferle i have seen it yesterday… i think there is a problem with your p-author
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pfefferle you need to add h-card, don't you?
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pfefferle class="p-athor h-card"
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cweiske right
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cweiske done
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pfefferle thanks
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michielbdejong pfefferle: good to see you here! are you still maintaining the wordpress plugins?
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pfefferle yo
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pfefferle actually working on webmention
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pfefferle and a nicer pingback
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cweiske nice pingback mf2-comment display in default wordpress installations would be awesome
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michielbdejong cool! just read http://notizblog.org/2013/04/24/wordpress-and-indieweb-comments/
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acegiak pfefferle: I've switch to sempress because it was the easiest way to get h-entry working for now
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@unclenate @t, meet @Greg_Meyer93 created the ultimate #indieweb kit
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Loqi #bluebutton data catcher on #raspberrypi https://twitter.com/Greg_Meyer93/status/346788745846063105/photo/1
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pfefferle michielbdejong: thanks :)
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pfefferle acegiak: nice! any link?
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acegiak machinespirit.net/acegiak
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pfefferle nice and clean ;)
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acegiak I'll need to make a child theme to get the icons for my blogroll to be smaller and I had a neat thing on my old theme where when I rebloged a post it would downsize the images until the post was clicked on
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acegiak it's a NICE theme
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michielbdejong pfefferle: so do you need to turn this on in wordpress, or are these plugins installed by default?
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pfefferle acegiak: thanks :)
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acegiak pfefferle: does it do in-reply-to in the h-entry?
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pfefferle michielbdejong: you have to install some plugins
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michielbdejong we might consider offering indieweb-enabled wordpress hosting if such a product would make sense. so just wordpress with the right plugins activated
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michielbdejong we're setting up a non-profit hosting provider
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pfefferle acegiak: you can add it by hand ;) i am thinking about some custom-tags like the youtube/Oembed stuff
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pfefferle michielbdejong: oh, nice! but there is still some work to do! I think I get a simple webmention plugin to work until weekend
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acegiak pfefferle: yeah I might do, for my purposes I can store it in metadata but the question is would it be easier for other people to utilise if it's actually just the first link in the post?
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michielbdejong pfefferle: that would be awesome!
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pfefferle i changed the plugin in that way, that it searches for any link in the e-content
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acegiak has anyone else in indieweb had a go at the facebook "wall"/tumblr "dash"/etc aggregation idea?
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acegiak pfefferle: I'll make the same assumption then
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cweiske btw, what about http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship - I think the HTML documen's author should be used as author for h-entry
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cweiske tantek, aaronpk ?
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@yabdi RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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pfefferle jiha! web mentions and nicer ping backs are now working on notizblog.org!!! you can run some tests at your own risk: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention
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pfefferle still a lot to do
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acegiak pfefferle: is it ok if I use you as a test target? I'll give it a go
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pfefferle jep… comments are held for moderation, so nothing to fear ;)
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pfefferle time to get my hands on something else before i totally hate wordpress ;)
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acegiak pfefferle: well I got you this in the meantime, I just added it to sempress' functions.php : http://pastebin.com/biiCALxs
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pfefferle but is that what you really want? is a blogpost really a reply to any mentioned links?
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acegiak pfefferle: that's the problem
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notizblog.org edited /indieweb-implementations (+47) (view diff)
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acegiak that code is obviously just the FIRST link, which is the same as pingbacks etc
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pfefferle ah ok, didn't read it properly, sorry!
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acegiak but should I change it to A) a certain TYPE of link, maybe people should jsut add the class themselves, OR do we make it a metadata field?
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pfefferle but what about using the @url syntax
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pfefferle any link with @something in the value?
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acegiak oh, like twitter?
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pfefferle yep
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pfefferle like @notizblog.org or something
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acegiak often the link text might be a post title though?
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acegiak BUT I guess that format can still work, ie "tumblr radar hider @ machinespirit.net/acegiak"
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pfefferle eschnou seems to use something similar http://eschnou.com/entry/what-the-hell-happened-to-federated-social-networks-62-24936.html
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michielbdejong pfefferle: i noticed a slight disconnect there, because it does display authors with full name
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pfefferle michielbdejong: what do you mean?
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michielbdejong pfefferle: sorry, not there, i noticed it on http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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pfefferle barnabywalters: found the ping back bug… webmention and pingback should now work in both directions on notizblog.org
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barnabywalters pfefferle: yay!
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Loqi :D
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michielbdejong if you read that thread, you see "Barnaby" post something, and then you see "Laurent" reply to "waterpigs", which you then have to translate in your head
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michielbdejong not sure if that was what you were talking about with the @-mentions :)
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barnabywalters my bad for sticking with the stupid domain name I thought was a good idea when I was 12 ;)
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acegiak michielbdejong: The problem is if you're replying to something and your link text is the title of the article they posted?
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michielbdejong barnabywalters: no, the same thing happens with everybody else's domain names :)
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@jbolila RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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pfefferle no, i meant the @aaronparecki.com
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pfefferle acegiak: the value shouldn't be that important, because we have the href… it is only important to have the "@"
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pfefferle @pfefferle, @matthias pfefferle, @notizblog.org, @...
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pfefferle doesn't matter until it starts with @ and refers to the right post...
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michielbdejong pfefferle: right, that approach makes sense.
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michielbdejong the equivalent of how twitter does it would be to display "Full Name @domain.com", with @domain.com in grey in each post, then when you later on in the thread see @domain.com being mentioned, it's not such a surprise as if the thread post heads only had "Full Name" as their author indicator
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michielbdejong and the same could work out for @domain.com/article mentions then
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acegiak oh, so the link has to start with the @ and not be followed by whitespace?
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tommorris so, http://fullcontact.com - a paid for Google Social Graph API type service that follows rel=me and other similar links to work out all your social web profiles
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pfefferle acegiak: not the link, the value <a>@something</a>
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acegiak pfefferle: sorry, yes that's what I meant
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tommorris I just popped my email address in and it has told me my age, name, location and the URLs for my accounts on Flickr, last.fm, Digg, delicious, twitter, google, yahoo, facebook, github, quora, foursquare, vimeo, myspace, lanyrd and youtube
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acegiak but we want to require the value to START with the @ ?
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pfefferle replaced by <a class="u-in-reply-to" rel="in-reply-to">@something</a>
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/Guest_List (-10) "/* Official Guest List */ Brian Suda is in japan, Brennan Novak is remote participating, updated counts" (view diff)
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pfefferle or in a combination with what michielbdejong mentioned
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barnabywalters tommorris: huh, hadn’t seen that before
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acegiak cause I'd kind of like to be able to do something like "sempress @ notizblog.org" as the value for the link and still have it be a reply
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tommorris barnabywalters: neither had I until this morning.
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tommorris barnabywalters: this is what it gives me - https://gist.github.com/tommorris/5821796
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pfefferle acegiak: what about an @ in the value and a href not starting with mailto: ???
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tommorris the age is actually wrong, but if the algorithm reckons I'm still 26, I'll go with it. a lady never gives her true age. ;)
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barnabywalters tommorris: the ageRange of 25-34 is correct though, right?
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barnabywalters has no idea how old anyone is
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acegiak pfefferle: I don't know how to do "not this block" in regex?
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pfefferle then use "only if https?://" instead ;)
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tommorris barnabywalters: yes, the ageRange is correct. :)
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pfefferle I am off for lunch
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acegiak pfefferle: good call
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pfefferle acegiak: :)
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Loqi [mention] http://eschnou.storytlr.net/entry/what-is-the-indieweb-and-indiewebcamp-62-24987.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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acegiak pfefferle: I worked out to use a callback method
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acegiak http://pastebin.com/nap0LewA
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@eschnou Posted the video: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp? http://eschnou.com/entry/what-is-the-indieweb-and-indiewebcamp-62-24987.html
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pfefferle cool! do you think it should be part of the theme or should the plugin beware of that?
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acegiak pfefferle: I would put it in the theme
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acegiak you can use the regex in the plugin too if you want to only send mentions based on that syntax though
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acegiak that filter will come in handy for trying to build an h-entry plugin
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cweiske acegiak, you can't parse microformats with xpath, much less with regex
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pfefferle cweiske: it's only for adding some semantics to a link
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barnabywalters cweiske: can’t parse mf with xpath? I must be doing something wrong with php-mf2 then ;)
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acegiak cweiske: I'm not trying to parse, I'm trying to inject
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cweiske barnabywalters, how do you separate h-entry>p-name from h-entry>p-author>h-card>p-name?
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barnabywalters cweiske: depth-first searching. I loop through all nested h-* elements, depth first, then parse the properties working my way back up the chain
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barnabywalters the code is here if you want to have a look: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2
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barnabywalters (bit messy though)
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cweiske ok, then I revise my statement and say: you can't find the properties to a mf2 h-something with a simply xpath query
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barnabywalters cweiske: yep, that’s true. you need a load of extra state
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pfefferle oh man… wordpress is so inconsistent!
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@rivva The rise of the IndieWeb – notizBlog http://rivva.de/197319915
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acegiak pfefferle: isn't that like a rule with things written in php though?
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pfefferle hopefully not!
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barnabywalters acegiak: nope
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acegiak pfefferle: did my webmention to you work just now?
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pfefferle nope, not yet
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pfefferle your own implementation or my plugin?
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acegiak yours
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pfefferle hmmm
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acegiak wait, I'll get latest version >.<
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acegiak I still have last nights
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pfefferle oh… lot of changes since then ;)
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pfefferle be sure to enable pingbacks in the discussion settings
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pfefferle and the plugin needs php5.3
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pfefferle because of the mf2 parser
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@msgbi the-rise-of-the-indieweb german http://notizblog.org/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/ von @pferfferle cc @kaffeebeimir @TeraEuro @MTaege
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acegiak huh. wordpress error "A valid URL was not provided."
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acegiak oh that might be another plugin
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acegiak hmm
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acegiak ok that one published without complaint. tell me if you get the webmention
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acegiak anyone else accepting webmentions I can test to?
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pfefferle what url have you pinged?
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acegiak http://notizblog.org/2013/04/24/wordpress-and-indieweb-comments/
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pfefferle hmmm
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pfefferle from which site?
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cweiske pfefferle, om.notizblog.org is down
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pfefferle yep, i know
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cweiske but your blogroll links it
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acegiak http://machinespirit.net/acegiak/2013/06/20/another-webmention-test/
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acegiak is where I link from
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pfefferle try to post it once again… perhaps wordpress has marked it as "already pinged" because you tried it with an old version
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pfefferle or i have problems parsing my own theme :D
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pfefferle indeed!
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pfefferle it's the parser
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pfefferle damn
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Loqi hehe
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barnabywalters shut up Loqi
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pfefferle :D
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barnabywalters these people are doing good stuff
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pfefferle that is the damn h-feed
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pfefferle I removed it in the latest dev version of sempress
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pfefferle for single posts
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pfefferle i am off for debugging :(
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acegiak i am off for bed
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pfefferle fixed
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@AntoineCezar @lhirlimann on en parlait au #CodeAndCoffee http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page
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@Bremer_Citytalk The rise of the IndieWeb – notizBlog http://rivva.de/197319915
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@enguerran974 @nrosenberg @lhirlimann J'en connais un qui a bien fait de venir au #CodeAndCoffee riche journée (libre, cobol, indieweb)
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jancborchardt wwhat’s up folks!
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jancborchardt we now have a stable News/RSS API for the ownCloud News app: https://twitter.com/ownClouders/status/347700486318723072
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@ownClouders We updated the ownCloud News app API! https://github.com/owncloud/news/wiki/API-1.2 cc @reederapp @25squares @newsifyapp @ngreader
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@schmitz_bkmks Linkwertig: Neuland, IndieWeb, so.cl, Sammeln | netzwertig.co... http://netzwertig.com/2013/06/20/linkwertig-neuland-indieweb-so-cl-sammeln/
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pdurbin cool
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@enguerran974 Parce que tout part du #CodeAndCoffee, découvrez ou apprenez á découvrir IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (via @AntoineCezar)
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@stoonich The rise of the IndieWeb | notizBlog http://notizblog.org/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/
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tantek awesome! Paul Fenwick is coming too!
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barnabywalters looks like it’s going to be a good weekend
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tommorris needs to get on the Google Hangout. ;)
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barnabywalters thanks to the eternal sunlight here we’ll actually be almost in sync with PDT time
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tantek tommorris - sign-up as a remote participant!
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barnabywalters we need to figure out making the hangout private but still letting anyone who has the link join
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barnabywalters and possibly recording it
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tommorris ooh, I could set up a London thing
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barnabywalters to avoid the groaning shirtless penguin tripod problem we had last time
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barnabywalters tommorris: go for it! we’ve got a couple of people who might drop into the office
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tommorris barnabywalters: looking into somewhere like Google Campus or MozSpace or Modern Jago (Microsoft's coworking space)
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tommorris.org edited /2013/Guest_List (+442) "/* Remote Participants */ adding me" (view diff)
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tommorris problem with a London get-together is it'd start at 5pm BST. ;)
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Loqi sandeepshetty: aaronpk left you a message 12 hours, 36 minutes ago: for some reason it's not following your sandeep.io -> www.sandeep.io redirect anymore. looks like it will work with www.sandeep.io now. also I fixed twitter logins. I'll see if I can fix this tonight
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: I added the www to my github profile but it still doesn't work <a href="http://www.sandeep.io" class="url" rel="nofollow me">http://www.sandeep.io</a>
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@Auroch Se méfier de la NSA… ou, bien en amont, de Google, Facebook etc. ? https://sebastien.bollingh.eu/ni_nsa_ni_google_ni_les_autres/ #prism #indieweb
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aaronpk shoot...
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aaronpk sandeepshetty: ah it's cause of the www redirect
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aaronpk I think it's the same issue we ran in to with dreeves last night: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/19
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aaronpk the answer is yes it's broken now, it should be accepting sandeep.io, but the workaround is to enter www.sandeep.io in the login form and it should accept it
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sandeepshetty ok I'm in. Thanks.
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@haxor @cstanhope @t @indiewebcamp Thanks!
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aaronpk sorry about that!
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sandeepshetty that's ok... I know the pain of "integrating" with third parties :)
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@cloudsosmoke RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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sandeepshetty is catching up on today's logs... all the wordpress action is exciting!
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pdurbin another vulnerability? ;)
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@jnymck .@haxor has been killing it lately. Perceptual diffs (http://www.youtube.com/) and #indieweb interview w/ @t (http://www.youtube.com/) FTW.
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sandeepshetty pdurbin: lol
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@BarnabyWalters Okay, I think I have a working two-way #webmention #indieweb comments implementation happening. Anyone fancy… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/
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barnabywalters wey hey it worked! http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/
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barnabywalters thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk yeah!!!
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sandeepshetty yay!
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Loqi giggles
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barnabywalters so over the weekend I’ll be working on improving php-mf2 and mf-cleaner so it’s easier for others to do the same, and on note page+note list styling
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aaronpk barnabywalters: I think I actually sent you a pingback though
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barnabywalters aaronpk: oh really
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barnabywalters ?
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aaronpk my code checks first for pingback support and uses that if it's there
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barnabywalters ah, right — yep, I looked in the logs and it was a pingback
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aaronpk same thing on your side tho basically, yea?
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barnabywalters pretty much, yep — I have a route each for pingback and webmention, both of which just pass off the to and from URIs into a generic registerMention method
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barnabywalters it still feels a little like magic whenever an indieweb comment works
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aaronpk sweet
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barnabywalters too sunny to do any more programming this afternoon — bbiab
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@krynsky The IndieWebCamp is a conference this weekend to further open web technologies for personal data http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page #digitalpreservation
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@aboynejames RT @krynsky: The IndieWebCamp is a conference this weekend to further open web technologies for personal data http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page #digit…
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@pfefferle My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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@Ramoonus RT @pfefferle: My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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aaronpk !tell tantek I parsed out the h-cards from the guest list page to automatically count the people. Is there a way to indicate remote participants separate from the main attendees? http://indiewebcamp.com/scratch/guest-list.php
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@erinjo My goals for #indiewebcamp this weekend: Fresh updates of my @storytlr installs and something á la old Delicious to house all of my links.
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@eschnou @erinjo Ha ! That's great to read. Note that the #indieweb stuff is on the master branch on github, not packaged yet. Ping me if issues!
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@znmeb RT @erinjo: My goals for #indiewebcamp this weekend: Fresh updates of my @storytlr installs and something á la old Delicious to house all o…
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@benwerd Centralizing my digital trail into a single #indieweb stream is making me think about what I post. http://werd.io/entry/51c362edbed7de897abe50e7/centralizing-my-digital-trail-into-a-single-indieweb-stream-is-making-me-think-about-what-i-post
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/entry/51c362edbed7de897abe50e7/centralizing-my-digital-trail-into-a-single-indieweb-stream-is-making-me-think-about-what-i-post linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (pingback)
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@tylergillies #indiewebcamp federate all the things!
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|-{0}-| what a tool
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 41 minutes ago: I parsed out the h-cards from the guest list page to automatically count the people. Is there a way to indicate remote participants separate from the main attendees? http://indiewebcamp.com/scratch/guest-list.php
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sandeepshetty_ benwerd: I already have a #private tag that keeps posts containing it to myself and I've been thinking about implementing moderated subscription to tags
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benwerd Yeah, I've seen that, and was thinking about using that for the time being too - every object in my db does have an access permission, but the interfaces are all hardcoded to public right now
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sandeepshetty_ I like how pinboard.in has this convention of .tagname for private tags... haven't been able to come up with a similar convention for #hastags to avoid any admin overhead (marking a tag as private)
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sandeepshetty_ #. (e.g., #.research-for-secret project ) doesn't feel right.... anyone here want to take a stab at a convention for private #hashtags?
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty_: what do you mean by private? so only you can view the tag? or content tagged with that tag?
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barnabywalters has never come across “private tags”
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sandeepshetty_ yep (for my eyes only)
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cweiske because they were hidden from you :)
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty_: so, was that a yep to tags which only you can see or content which only you cans see? ;)
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grawity IRC uses #foo for global channels and &foo for private (server-local) channels
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sandeepshetty_ tags which only I can see but some way to hide the content as well will be great (like I do with the hardcoded #private)
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty_: yeah, I used to use #private, I also had #private-domainname-com for basic access control
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barnabywalters but I never used it
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sandeepshetty_ barnabywalters: actually the combination of tags that only I can see and #private will do
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@julien51 RT @tylergillies: #indiewebcamp federate all the things!
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barnabywalters I can’t really understand the reason for private tags on public content — what do people typically use them for?
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sandeepshetty_ I use if for secret reasearch projects (for my business) but I can also imaging using something like this: #.good-programmer-but-not-a-nice-person
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sandeepshetty_ s/imaging/imagine
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Loqi sandeepshetty_ meant to say: I use if for secret reasearch projects (for my business) but I can also imagine using something like this: #.good-programmer-but-not-a-nice-person
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty_: so you do secret research in public, but tagged secretly?! second use case makes a lot of sense
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sandeepshetty_ in the stream of stuff I do you won't that it's for a specific business (unless you see the #business-name tag)
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sandeepshetty_ s/won't/won't know
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Loqi sandeepshetty_ meant to say: in the stream of stuff I do you won't know that it's for a specific business (unless you see the #business-name tag)
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barnabywalters fair enough
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sandeepshetty_ and if it's obvious I can just #private it
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barnabywalters it’s certainly a fascinating detail — you understand it better than me, can you document it on /tags?
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sandeepshetty_ sure
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sandeepshetty_ grawity: I have considered using & (see action tags here: http://sandeep.shetty.in/2013/05/thinking-about-metadata.html) and I might go with it unless someone has a better suggestion?
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www.sandeep.io edited /tags (+702) "private tags and #private and a POSSE example with private tags." (view diff)
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sandeepshetty_ barnabywalters: check out the POSSE example I added using private tags
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty_: nice example
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sandeepshetty_ barnabywalters: the #private-domainname stuff you mentioned earlier is interesting when combined with webmention... especially if there was a way to do a private webmention (maybe send a secret key along in the webmention that the receiver needs to use, in a header maybe, while retrieving the content from sender)
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benwerd I want to do signed, private webmentions with per-user keys
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benwerd really interested in HTTP Signatures for this purpose, but open to all kinds of implementations
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barnabywalters benwerd: that’s a technology, not a usage scenario ;)
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barnabywalters gotta go, bagels ready to bake
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benwerd The usage scenario is posting mentions on access-restricted content
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benwerd eg IndieWeb comments on a private post.
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@ralphm RT @tylergillies: #indiewebcamp federate all the things!
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sandeepshetty_ signed private webmentions implies a sortof dailback to verify the keys
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benwerd Being able to get the feed of my posts including restricted ones I'm allowed to see, because I've signed my request
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benwerd etc
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benwerd Really, adding a concept of identity to every HTTP request I make to a compatible site.
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sandeepshetty_ IMO that's too many dailback in a protocol that is already doing a dailback :)
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sandeepshetty_ protocol=webmention
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benwerd Maybe webmentions and signatures are the wrong technologies
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benwerd my point is really that I want to have that usage scenario, and those are what I have to hand
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benwerd There's no reason why everything should have to be public.
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sandeepshetty_ have you see the webid stuff?
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benwerd yes
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sandeepshetty_ what's your take on that and how does what you have in mind going to simpler?
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benwerd The short answer to the latter bit is, I'm not sure yet from the back-end - on the front-end, it should be (virtually) invisible to the user
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benwerd they shouldn't have to care about keys and encryption and etc etc etc
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benwerd they're connecting with a friend over some shared content.
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benwerd so
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benwerd if WebID works for that (& to be honest I haven't really thought about it for a long time), then great
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benwerd if HTTP Signatures does, then great;
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benwerd otherwise, I'll need something else.
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sandeepshetty_ benwerd: there were a couple of things there...
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sandeepshetty_ being able to access a private feed already works with RSS/Atom
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sandeepshetty_ It's just that there's not push stuff that does it
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sandeepshetty_ s/not/no
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Loqi sandeepshetty_ meant to say: It's just that there's no push stuff that does it
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benwerd Right. So I'm not convinced that webmention *isn't* a good starting place here - yes, there's a dialback, but it's a signed notification that something's been posted, and then a signed check to verify the content. Assuming keys were swapped before then, when a social connection was made, that doesn't strike me as too big a deal.
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sandeepshetty_ Re keys swapped before: I have something I'm working on for private messaging that uses pairing to exchange keys: https://github.com/otxt/otxt-s2s-protocol
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sandeepshetty_ I've added an issue for sending webmention for private content, feel free to add to it or add new issues(use-cases) :https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/12
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sandeepshetty_ benwerd: BTW, you don't the signed notification with webmention because the receiver has to fetch content from source which can be proof of origin if it's done over https
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sandeepshetty_ s/don't/don't need
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Loqi sandeepshetty_ meant to say: benwerd: BTW, you don't need the signed notification with webmention because the receiver has to fetch content from source which can be proof of origin if it's done over https
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benwerd sandeepshetty_: You're absolutely right.
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aaronpk well a signed notification would help prevent ddos attacks though
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sandeepshetty_ could you elaborate on that?
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aaronpk say I send 1000 different servers a message saying that sandeep.io sent them a message, then they would all immediately go fetch the URL at sandeep.io to verify
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sandeepshetty_ right.
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aaronpk so if the initial request was signed, you could verify the signature without making an http request
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sandeepshetty_ though a ddos is more about making someone do more than you can.. if your sending 1000 webmentions you might as well have sent 1000 requests to sandeep.io
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sandeepshetty_ aaronpk: so ddos is not a problem
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aaronpk well, it's harder to block a DDOS than it is to block 1000 requests from the same server
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sandeepshetty_ true
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aaronpk also the other direction
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aaronpk I could send your server 1000 notifications saying that 1000 different servers sent you a message, and then you'd have to go make http requests to verify them all
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sandeepshetty_ so the other direction scenario can only be prevented with keys swaped before hand. If it uses salmon style dailback for verifying keys then it has the same problem
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aaronpk yea i thought you were talking about swapping keys before-hand
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sandeepshetty_ I'm just thinking out loud :)
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aaronpk k :)
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sandeepshetty_ also my bad for confusing dos with ddos
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benwerd Prosaic but highly important question: how late are the drinks tomorrow likely to go on?
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benwerd (I land at 4:45 and am thinking about going straight there if people will still be around.)
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aaronpk well I thought we'd get an early start at 4:30 for happy hour (they have good happy hour food there too)
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aaronpk i think there is a good chance you will make it
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aaronpk cab or public transit?
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benwerd Preference is public transit, but you know, needs must ;)
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aaronpk cab ride would be about 20-25 minutes if you go right there
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aaronpk max is about an hour
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aaronpk either way, I expect we'll still be there at 6
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tantek wow we might be full
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tantek needs to double check the counts
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aaronpk i'm actually kind of terrified there might actually be 50 people at this!
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tantek yes we are full
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Loqi !calc 47 + 3
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tantek this calls for the establishment of a waitlist
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