#indiewebcamp 2013-06-22

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bret hey aaronpk, I changed domains this weekend from bre.tc to bret.io. Do you think you can set me up with a new pingback.me account for the new domain with publicly accessible data? I don’t need the old one any longer.
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tantek hey anyone here in the channel in Portland - come on by PINTS - 5th & Flanders!
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aaronpk|m Bret: totally! You can start using the same username right now
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aaronpk|m I don't think it will be public until I flip the bit on that domain tho
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aaronpk|m Also if you are nearby, come to PINTS!
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jessykate yo homies :-)
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tantek welcome jessykate!!
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tantek :D
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tantek now see if you can add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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jessykate eggggselent
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bret I just got a burrito, but I'll swing by when I'm done
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+212) "/* Start Demos */ Ozten is going to demo his self-hosted Persona deployment!" (view diff)
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bret I just flew home to Portland this afternoon
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@t #IndieWebCamp weekend has begun!
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #IndieWebCamp weekend has begun!
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acegiak good morning!
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tantek good day acegiak!
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acegiak what time is it there?
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tantek greetings programs. if any of you has selfdogfood demos for tomorrow morning, add yourself here with a brief description! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos#Start_Demos
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tantek don't worry about sort order, just describe what you plan to demo working on your own site, and I'll sort it accordingly
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@silverton RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp?
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@silverton RT @benwerd: Another great benefit of the #IndieWeb: being able to edit typos in your status updates. http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073…
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+87) "Ben Werdmuller" (view diff)
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@joshuajuran @vmbrasseur For how long? I went to Pints for the #indiewebcamp pre-party, which is breaking up now.
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cldstr Anybody on the 6:15a San Jose - Portland flight tomorrow morning who would want to share a ride to indiewebcamp?
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bret Well that was fun :) see you folks tomorrow morning
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bret who was all at pints? I didnt catch everyones IRC name
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/#
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@butwait RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/#
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@firasd RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/#
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acegiak tantek, on the microsyntax page its mentioned that/win 2
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znmeb.github.io edited /2013/Guest_List (+16) "/* Creators */ changing my pic" (view diff)
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@bradfitz In Portland for #indiewebcamp with @haxor. Have a great project to build! :-)
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@benwerd Heading to Clyde Common for a drink. Come join us! #indiewebcamp
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@xtof_fr I've track'n loved IndieWebCamp 2013 Pre-Party http://awe.sm/r25XX
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bret oh snap clyde common
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bret i want to try that place
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@benwerd How I post on the go: http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804 #indiewebcamp
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@xtof_fr #indiewebcamp á #Portland
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@dkmj RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/#
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bret What would people consider essential microformats to include on ones site to help be apart of the indieweb
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bret I'll probably just ask folks tomorrow
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tantek bret - good start with hCard for your about/contact info, rel-me to link to your other profiles, and h-entry for your posts.
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bret what about microformats for a blog? is it important to distinguish my blog index from the actual post pages?
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bret hNews?
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tantek h-entry is sufficient
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tantek + h-card for author
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bret ok
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bret is there a microformat for bitcoin addresses? :p
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@krynsky I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp session generator
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@kevinmarks RT @krynsky: I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp sessi…
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@TomWhitwell RT @krynsky: I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp sessi…
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tommorris bret: no, not yet.
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tommorris bret: p-x-bitcoin ;)
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tommorris right, I think it's time for me to write a microformats2 parser
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bret what do all these p's n x's mean
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tommorris p is property
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tommorris x is extension
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tommorris sorta like in mime times and so on
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bret how does this v-card look? http://bret.io/
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sandeepshetty acegiak: http://indiewebcamp.com/microsyntax
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tommorris morning indiewebsters
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www.sandeep.io edited /microsyntax (+37) "/* Brainstorming */ added clarification." (view diff)
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sandeepshetty Morning tommorris, It's evening here and it'll be 22:00 hrs when IWC starts :)
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acegiak sandeep, I did see that
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tommorris 11:30 AM here. I'm writing a uf2 parser
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acegiak I'm running a dnd game atm so can't talk much but the reason we were doing that markup was because we needed some way to indicate which of many links needed in-reply-to markup
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acegiak and then I just used the same idea again for <3 => u-like
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sandeepshetty is trying to finish his comments display
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sandeepshetty acegiak: when you don't have ability to edit the html to add uf2 classes?
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tommorris making steady progress on writing a uf2 parser. I've written an RDF/XML parser before. This is a lot easier. ;)
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sandeepshetty in ruby?
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tommorris yep
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barnabywalters good morning indiewebcamp
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tommorris hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters was thinking of starting a pre-IWC hangout for us people not in the US — anyone up for it?
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tommorris yeah, good plan
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barnabywalters I can’t figure out how to make a hangout which is private but anyone can join if they have the URL :/
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barnabywalters like the ones Ward does for SFW
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tommorris is proving that one can drink six vodkas in one evening and then write a microformats2 parser the morning after.
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barnabywalters tommorris: “microformats — it’s just that easy” ;)
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barnabywalters ruby?
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tommorris yep
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tommorris using Nokogiri, the libxml based XML/HTML parser
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tommorris got the hard parts done - nested microformats, <base>/relative URIs
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barnabywalters nice
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barnabywalters morning eschnou
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eschnou barnabywalters, well.. we are well advanced in the afternoon on this side of channel :-)
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barnabywalters quarter to twelve here :)
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eschnou barnabywalters, so you plan to join later ? any details on the remote participation ?
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barnabywalters eschnou: just setting up a G+ hangout for those of us not in the US. then later we’ll say hello to the US people and then mainly collaborate using etherpad, IRC and the wiki
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barnabywalters okay, I take back everything I ever said about hangouts being a useful feature
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barnabywalters ah! I think it’s “hangouts on air” or something like that
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eschnou barnabywalters, busy week-end on my side, I'll try to be at least on IRC in the evening
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barnabywalters eschnou: cool
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eschnou and if there is a hangout going on, I'll pop and say hello :-)
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eschnou barnabywalters, i hope a few more attempt to comment on my now famous post :-) and will try to stick around to help them debug things
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eschnou barnabywalters, congrats on your comment implementation by the way, welcome to the club, it changes everything!
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barnabywalters okay, I think if people go to this URL you’ll be able to join the hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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barnabywalters (yuk yuk yuk nasty URL)
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barnabywalters eschnou: thanks :) still feels like magic every time it works
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eschnou yup, and the integration with webaction is really nice too
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eschnou barnabywalters, no time to join the hangout now, need to take care of the kids, see you later !
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barnabywalters eschnou: cool, see you later!
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@MyDataLabs RT @xtof_fr: #indiewebcamp á #Portland
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acegiak sandeepshetty: we wanted a way to mark which one was the reply-to without needing to edit the html because we want the plugins to be accessible to non-technical wordpress users
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acegiak plus, adding the html manually would be tiresome, so we're trying to work out a way to make it quick and easy
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@BarnabyWalters Good morning #indiewebcamp! We set up a pre-conference hangout for all those not in the US. Care to join us? (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/)
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tommorris barnabywalters: http://tommorris.org/posts/8204
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barnabywalters https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/mf2/Parser.php#L175
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www.sandeep.io edited /2013/demos (+212) "/* Start Demos */ Requesting someone to demo Indieweb Federated Like" (view diff)
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tantek good morning IndieWebCamp!
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barnabywalters afternoon tantek!
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pfefferle yep, afternnon ;)
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barnabywalters I just pushed php-mf2 0.1.15, with rel+alternate parsing and a html-safe option to eliminate the p-* e-* ambiguity problem — not a bad start, getting lunch now
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tantek hey tommorris - is your Ruby microformats2 parser from scratch? or are you starting with the existing one by jlsuttles?
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tantek and congrats on getting IndieWeb comments working on your site! (is this the first example? http://tommorris.org/posts/8204 )
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aaronpk bret: here's a good way to check your markup: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbret.io%2F
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sandeepshetty Finally got around to parsing ask the uf2 for comments. Should be able to display comments in a couple of hours when I get back to my machine. Playtime with my daughter right now :)
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sandeepshetty s/ask/all
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Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: Finally got around to parsing all the uf2 for comments. Should be able to display comments in a couple of hours when I get back to my machine. Playtime with my daughter right now :)
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tommorris tantek: I've been tryign both
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tommorris tantek: and thanks
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tantek I heard that Ben Werdmuller has indieweb comments working too
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tantek has anyone here tried leaving a comment on one of his posts?
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tantek e.g. http://werd.io/view/51c52638bed7de820dbf480c
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tantek oh wait
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tantek I see that it self is a comment on this post: http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804
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tantek !
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tantek someone here want to try commenting on that post? http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804
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tantek (so we can see if a comment from someone other than the site author works?)
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aaronpk looks like not http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/22/1/indieweb-checkins
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tantek interesting. I wonder if it goes into a queue he has to manually approve.
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tommorris tantek: I'm going to try and finish implementing indieweb-comments shortly
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tantek oh not quite finished yet? it looked like it was working with that comment from Barnaby
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tommorris that's just faking it ;)
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tommorris that's designed to look like a completed comment - but it's manually entered
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@termie ... 7am flights weren't meant to be taken anyway (sorry @t, won't make it to indiewebcamp)
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@bradfitz Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters tantek: I commented on one of benwerd’s posts — it worked but picked up the wrong h-card!
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tantek fascinating - which post?
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barnabywalters tantek: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b
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barnabywalters it picked up my photographer friend’s h-card instead of mine, but my photo?!
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tantek very strange ok - looks like he's got some work to do :)
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barnabywalters mf-cleaner getAuthor should remove the need for anyone using PHP to manually figure out what the author of a post is
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barnabywalters now the parser does rels I can add in rel-author parsing too
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tantek !tell benwerd looks like your indieweb comments code needs some tweaks: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b picked up Barnaby's photo but his friend's name!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek barnabywalters - you've implemented /authorship?
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barnabywalters tantek: not exactly that algorithm
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barnabywalters working on it
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barnabywalters https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L117
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@jedisct1 RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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tommorris is cheating at implementing indieweb-cmoments
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tommorris comments rather
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tommorris rather than using the uf2 parser in Ruby, I'm just running a local instance of Glenn's parser and calling that. ;)
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@ggregl RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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tommorris barnabywalters: [{"type"=>["h-entry"], "properties"=>{"in-reply-to"=>[{"value"=>"11 days ago Tom Morris There’s a talk about “geeks and professionalism” at a conference called ‘Devs Love Bacon’. (Except us vegetarians, obvs.) 09:53 on 2013-04-13" ...
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bret Grabbing breakfast at lovejoy bakery
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bret Anyone close by?
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@TeaWithCarl RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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bret Almost 9:30
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tommorris yeah, where are y'all? ;)
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bret I'm getting coffe are the doors open?
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@temporaryhuman I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045
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@pjf Today I'm celebrating a successful week at #osb13 by going to IndieWebCamp.
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@BronzeProfile RT @temporaryhuman: I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045
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@uziika RT @temporaryhuman: I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045
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Loqi gjones: barnabywalters left you a message on 3/3 at 10:39am: as someone who's done web action UI brainstorming, I'd be really grateful for feedback for this: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt — the actual button UI is fairly awful but the structure is in place
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tommorris hey gjones
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gjones Hi tom
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tommorris is using microformats2-node in ferocity
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tommorris just running a local copy and using HTTP to talk to it
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tommorris am planning to try and fix up a Ruby native parser, but until then I'll use the Node parser. works grea
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tommorris great
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gjones that good to hear I have not had much feedback from other devs
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gjones just about to start using it on large scale for a commercial project myself
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bret Is there a number to call aaronpk ?
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@adrahon RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts/8204 - now parsed from h-entry with gjones' parser
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tommorris spies veganstraightedge/Shane Becker coming in and out of the IWC Google Hangout
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bret where are the hangouts?
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barnabywalters bret: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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bret bah, it requires a G+ account
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bret :[
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barnabywalters bret: yeah :(
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barnabywalters we might be able to stream it publicly, nothing much is happening now though
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tommorris alas, it does. but g+ hangout is the only way yet found to do reasonably large scale video conferencing
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bret http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9109842488/
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barnabywalters was just about to ask when IWC was starting — already, by the looks of it
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bret not quite
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bret )
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bret :)
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bret just setting up the projector
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tantek.com created /demos (+18) "r" (view diff)
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tommorris can always dance on Hangout. ;)
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tommorris that'll get *someone* in Portland to get on Hangout, right, barnabywalters?
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sandeepshetty Now showing h-card for likes, reposts and mentions: http://www.sandeep.io/39
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sandeepshetty Can someone help me test?
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: lookin’ good. what do you need?
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tommorris wonders whether vote-links might be appropriate here.
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tantek.com edited /demos (+6) "r" (view diff)
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tommorris even though they use the now spurned @rev attribute
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@pjf Many thanks to the #indiewebcamp sponsors for coffee and bagels. &lt;3
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: Likes, repsots and a mention (no u-like or u-repost)
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sandeepshetty you already have a like there so one of the others
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bret you guys are going up on a huge tv
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bret the eye of tommorris
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tommorris I'll dance to make sure it works
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tommorris can someone tell tantek his site has been quite unresponsive this afternoon? ;)
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+163) "/* Start Demos */ Will will demo manual G+ POSSE" (view diff)
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bret is there a page that coveres how to send a iw comment?
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tommorris there's a few. I've been discussing with barnabywalters how to do it.
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+22) "3 minute demos" (view diff)
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@benwerd Getting started at #indiewebcamp. Really looking forward to seeing the user side of everybody's #indieweb projects.
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tantek.com created /2013/schedule (+27) "r" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: A comment would be nice.. just pushing some code to display comments
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sandeepshetty I have comments working: http://www.sandeep.io/44 (Still have to work on styling)
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: okay, commenting
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sandeepshetty on the other one.... /39
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tommorris is just in the flow of trying to get commenting working
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: it worked!
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@npdoty @indiewebcamp Mistimed the buses so I'm arriving late, but on my way to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters no name — is that supposed to happen?
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sandeepshetty which post?
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barnabywalters http://www.sandeep.io/64
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barnabywalters also — “1 comments” ;)
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sandeepshetty yeah :)
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sandeepshetty the name is in the img title for now
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sandeepshetty on hover
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barnabywalters “I hovered my finger over it but nothing happened” ;)
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barnabywalters nice work!
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+4) "Will's demoing some automatic POSSE, some manual" (view diff)
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barnabywalters just working on styling my comments and post metadata a little better
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sandeepshetty yeah I think I haven't pushed the title code
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barnabywalters er, any chance of some video from IWC?
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 53 minutes ago: looks like your indieweb comments code needs some tweaks: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b picked up Barnaby's photo but his friend's name!
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: any chance you could comment on http://www.sandeep.io/39 it's a good place to demo all it
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pfefferle I sent you a like
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benwerd ha, everyone's picking up on my not-ready-for-primetime comments implementation. Hoping I'll get time to fix it this weekend ...
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benwerd (I believe video is being worked on)
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: to me? which post?
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barnabywalters oh great
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pfefferle 39
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tantek.com edited /comments-presentation (+113) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ Aaron Parecki's blog automatically displays indieweb comments" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty is tunneling into his db
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pfefferle but wordpress won't send any pings to benwerd… strange
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benwerd prrrrrrobably my fault. is it just refusing to find the endpoint?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: you got a success response?
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benwerd or is it pinging and nothing's turning up?
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tommorris realises his job queue hasn't been running for weeks. fail.
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tommorris I am to job queues as tantek is to databases.
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pfefferle don't know… thats not implemented yet :D
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sandeepshetty lol
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caseorganic greetings
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sandeepshetty (to tantek and db)
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tommorris I can see!
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pfefferle but at least the ping back should have worked
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tantek.com edited /2013/demos (+145) "more demos" (view diff)
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bret how do I send a webmention or pingback from the command line?
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@glennjones RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty bret i'ts on the /webmention page
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bret ok ill look
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@kevinmarks I can see @tommorris on the hangout cam at #indiewebcamp
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pfefferle i got a bad request 400
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tommorris heh. I'll dance if you like. ;)
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sandeepshetty bret http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Manually_sending_webmentions
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@TomTowny RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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@tommorris @kevinmarks I’ll dance if need be. #indiewebcamp http://tommorris.org/posts/8384
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: bad request 400
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sandeepshetty ok for the like? checking...
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bret you guys are live
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bret ill send you a picture of how large you are
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: should I also add a reply?
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sandeepshetty sure.. to /39
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pfefferle curl -i -d "source=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/&target=http://www.sandeep.io/39" http://www.sandeep.io/webmention
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bret http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9107838523/
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erinjo barnabywalters: Can you post the link to the hangout here in case anyone else wants to join remotely?
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KevinMarks ouch, my irc client said I was banned form the room until I identified to nickserv
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tommorris hey KevinMarks, tantek
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barnabywalters erinjo: sure!
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barnabywalters anyone who wants to join remotely: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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barnabywalters the link is also on /2013, under “Participate”
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barnabywalters what’s happening at the moment?
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tommorris barnabywalters: are you accepting webmentions/pingbacks? because I can't find your webmention/pingback URL
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benwerd Is that a Hangout on Air, or will it have the user limit?
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barnabywalters tommorris: they’re in my headers
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barnabywalters benwerd: on air
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benwerd coolcool
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barnabywalters we could broadcast/record it, if people are up for that?
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tommorris barnabywalters: ah okay
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erinjo barnabywalters: thanks!
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@benwerd If you're interested in #indiewebcamp and want to follow at home, you can join this Google+ Hangout: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: did you have www in the target url?
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tommorris barnabywalters: ah, this means my webmention/pingback sending is broken in some way.
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: yes
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benwerd hey, thanks twitter
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sandeepshetty ah could you try it without the www... in the meantime I'll fix that..
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barnabywalters tommorris: I’ll have a look in my logs, see if I can see anything
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Loqi we'll do this as a session
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: same problem
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barnabywalters question to IRL participants: how large is the hangout display/how loud are we?
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barnabywalters I
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barnabywalters I remember inadvertently shouting at everyone last year and want to avoid that this year ;)
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pfenwick barnabywalters: I can't hear you at all. Could you try singing?
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tommorris barnabywalters: I just sent you a webmention - http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480
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benwerd It's huge, but not very loud
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KevinMarks hangout display is a 70" TV on the side
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@joejohnston Good writeup of Open Mustard Seed #pcloud #indieweb platform http://bollier.org/blog/next-great-internet-disruption-authority-and-governance @MeganMurray @datacosmos @harlantwood
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barnabywalters pfenwick: my mic is muted — I’m not much of a singer but I could go and get the hurdy gurdy ;)
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pfenwick barnabywalters: I'm pretty sure that would be perfect!
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barnabywalters tommorris: and it worked! WOO HOO
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benwerd You all look like this: http://werd.io/view/51c5dd3abed7de9c2d83972d
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tommorris barnabywalters: I'm just implementing webmention header parsing. strange. I'm pretty sure that should have sent a pingback
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barnabywalters pfenwick: it’s back at the apartment but I could get it when you’re on lunch break :D
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barnabywalters is that a close up of aaron’s jumper?
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@pjf OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp
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caseorganic pfenwick++
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Loqi pfenwick has 1 karma
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pfenwick !help
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tommorris half way through the video, it transitions to Rage Against The Machine
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bret can you remote people hear?
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tommorris yep, works great bret
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barnabywalters yep, I can hear fine
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bret cool :)
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tommorris just worked out why my pingback wasn't working
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bret will eschnou's comment thread blow up if I dont have an h-author image?
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bret i am about to send a pingback from my comment http://bret.io/2013/06/22/indieweb-comment/
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pfefferle nope, mine worked fine
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caseorganic barnabywalters: tommorris: awesome to see you on the livestream!
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@brianjesse working on web mentions for openmicroblogger 2 at #indiewebcamp #indieweb (at @ElementalTech w/ @t) [pic]: https://foursquare.com/brianjesse/checkin/51c5df03498e967b07d22c26?s=P_HEK0NkctPntlwRa7Eu6N0QWYM&ref=tw
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barnabywalters waves to caseorganic
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tommorris caseorganic: thanks.
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barnabywalters bret: looking good! RE microformats, probably a good idea to add p-summary and make the name the content too
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b0bg0d bam
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@donpdonp #indiewebcamp demos are starting http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos also irc freenode #indiewebcam.
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bret barnabywalters: what would be in the p-summary?
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bret and expand the content to a larger scope?
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barnabywalters bret: for notes, p-summary is just a plaintext version of the content
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: could you please send the like one more time (this time with the www) - I'm logging some stuff now to figure out what happened
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barnabywalters keep content where it is and add p-summary to the same element
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barnabywalters I add p-name to the same element too
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bret what is p-name for?
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Loqi p is property
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: still 400
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pfefferle p-name = title
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barnabywalters woah, nice one Loqi :)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @haxor: Camlistore is your home directory for the web @bradfitz: I got sick of building CMSs, I wanted a data dumping ground
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bret oh i see
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@preaction RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp
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bret the post format was originally a linklog
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bret ill probrably do a note style soon
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@donpdonp brad fitz (of livejournal, memcached, openid) is demoing http://camlistore.org/ the 'personal storage system for life'. #indiewebcamp
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bret is just a plaintext version of the content
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore is content-addressable storage you throw all your crap in and it indexes it every which way
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp irony - twitter website stopping me posting from here https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/348494573636554752/photo/1
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: for some reason it didn't find the target url on your page... looking into to.. thanks
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pfefferle only for my site?
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sandeepshetty comments when through for barnabywalters
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pfefferle should i also add a "u-in-reply-to" ???
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@benwerd Wow. @bradfitz and @haxor are demoing Camlistore, and it looks amazingly powerful. #indiewebcamp
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tommorris "everybody loves MySQL, right?" - no, tantek, love me some postgresql.
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pfefferle du i have to url encode them for the console
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tommorris tantek: if it's their first indiewebcamp, they HAVE to present. ;)
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@znmeb At #indiewebcamp watching Harlan fork
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore can look like a filesystem or a webserver depending on what you want http://camlistore.org/
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: nope
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donpdonp forkthis.net
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bret barnabywalters: can you peek the MF again? http://bret.io/2013/06/22/indieweb-comment/
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@pac_man RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: do don't have a h-entry?
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pfefferle yes
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tommorris wait, wikipedia -> markdown - oh my. I'd like to see how that works
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WardCunningham what resolution works for the elemental projector?
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sandeepshetty ah.. it looks for u-like and the rest only inside an h-entry
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pfefferle yes
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pfefferle thats the case
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp forkthis lets you fork cc content into github It converts HTML into markdown so you can do fork/diff merging more easily
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sandeepshetty possible to try it with a h-entry?
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pfefferle i use h-entry
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pfefferle oh, didn't read the "don't"
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pfefferle sorry
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pfefferle I use h-entry
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donpdonp aaronpk: is there a wiki page describing the comment-collection-system on your site?
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pfefferle does it have to be directly inside the h-entry?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: Ah I look for a top-level h-entry.. you have it inside a h-feed http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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pfefferle no not any more
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brianjesse *amazing* hack from willnorris - cool stuff!
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aaronpk donpdonp: sorta, everything would be here http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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pfefferle but the u-like is inside a e-content
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pfefferle oh
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pfefferle wait
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pfefferle that is a bug
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pfefferle one moment
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @willnorris: I use wordpress, which POSSEs to FB+Twitter I made a syndicate plugin to G+ despite it not having a write API
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@dleony RT @bradfitz Camlistore 0.2 is now out: http://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp
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donpdonp aaronpk: cool thx
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donpdonp http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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barnabywalters powercut
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npdoty when syndicating to Google+, there's no way to get back the URL of the post without searching for the string?
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tommorris I have Chinese food. ;)
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: I meant I look for an h-entry directly under items, but you have it as a child of h-feed and I don't see a u-like: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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barnabywalters tommorris: nice :) going to make some feta stuffed onions later
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pfefferle now its fixed but still the 400
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: I have not posted native cntent to twitter since 2009. I post on my own site and POSSE to twitter
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: check http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/ nothing pointing to sandeep.io there
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: I don't have a front end to write posts, I write HTML in a text editor. This is the database.
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pfefferle yes, but look a the sourcecode
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pfefferle does the parser ignore u-like?
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sandeepshetty I'm using mf2 which is what pin13.net is using so will have the same problem... barnabywalters any idea what's happening?
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tommorris tantek's posting UI is the fixie of the indieweb world ;)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: I use ordinal ISO dates (day number fo the year) as it is one less character to type
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bret this is awsome
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caseorganic tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 7 karma
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aaronpk tommorris++
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@t @kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too.
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: what’s the problem?
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bret XD
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pfefferle barnabywalters: is the mf2 parser ignoring u-like classes?
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@ozten RT @t: @kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too.
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caseorganic tommorris: it's the pettyfarthing (via bethany) http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/88/6488-004-96D89FFF.jpg
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@pjf At #indiewebcamp. @t has the most straightforward and intuitive way of responding to tweets that I've ever seen!
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pfefferle oh, i know
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pfefferle wait a minute
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npdoty not quite a URL, actually :)
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pfefferle oh man
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: after I edit the text file I scp that to my site and it shows up, and pings twitter, PubSubHubbub etc
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pfefferle the <3 killed the markup
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pfefferle :(
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pfefferle sorry for that
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pfefferle worked! nice!
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barnabywalters if < chars are giving you problems, upgrade to the latest version of php-mf2 and use htmlSafe
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barnabywalters either set $parser->htmlSafe = true
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barnabywalters or $parser->parse(true)
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: google used to index my pubsubhubbub-posted posts instantly, now it takes a while
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pfefferle ok, thanks
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barnabywalters and non e-* properties will be html-encoded
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: awesome! how about a comment to the same post?
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@antisol RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore can look like a filesystem or a webserver depending on what you want http://t.co/bwzRh…
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@krynsky @kevinmarks @t there's a hangout cam for #indiewebcamp? Is there a live stream? Wish I was there.
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aaronpk barnabywalters: who's got the g+ URL? I don't know how to find it
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: done
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dreeves @pfenwick: the callback url for the demo is yootles.com/slurp.php
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npdoty http://donpark.org/badge/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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aaronpk thanks
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barnabywalters the G+ URL is linked on /2013
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@ozten Watching @donpdonp demo badges he issues through the OpenBadges standard #indiewebcamp #iwantabadgedonp
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barnabywalters for future reference :)
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aaronpk oh great!
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@krynsky Camlistore's personal storage system for life looks great for #digitalpreservation http://camlistore.org/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer72536&utm_medium=twitter h/t @kevinmarks at #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters under Participation
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@kevinmarks @krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin
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@krynsky RT @kevinmarks: @krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: done
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pfenwick dreeves: Done. And my inbox updated.
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: you mean you sent a comment?
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pfefferle yep
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pfefferle is it a problem that it's the same url?
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sandeepshetty yeah :)
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pfefferle :)
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pfefferle ok
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sandeepshetty I only have one field for mention type in the db
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp http://t.co/QFHBT7mazQ: Everyone has a Mozilla Persona account, if you have email - look under your chair
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@pjf RT @kevinmarks: @krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin
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dreeves pfenwick: can you try another update?
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smcgregor tantek: Can I hop on the Dogfood demo list?
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@bmndr Beeminder founders @dreev and @thatgirl at #indiewebcamp today, about to show off our realtime PESOS with assistance from @pjf
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Loqi [mention] http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/ (pingback)
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: can you see/hear the conf on hangout?
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@pjf RT @bmndr: Beeminder founders @dreev and @thatgirl at #indiewebcamp today, about to show off our realtime PESOS with assistance from @pjf
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@benwerd I'm live-posting photos from my mobile web interface over at http://werd.io/search/?q=%23indiewebcamp #indiewebcamp (finding Chrome bugs in the process)
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: yep, pretty well
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ozten willnoris: https://ozten.com/.well-known/browserid
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: ok done
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aaronpk barnabywalters: if I reply to a post on your site will it automatically show up on your site?
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aaronpk or is there a manual step?
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @dreev @thatgirl make Beeminder, a quantified self tool @bmndr - It does PESOS using a callback URL
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brianjesse tantek: i'd like to demo, just got my web mention code working at brianhendrickson.com
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barnabywalters aaronpk: should automatically show up, go for it :)
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tantek brianjesse - like for leaving a comment on someone else's post?
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aaronpk sweet
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: do you use the p-name?
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barnabywalters just tweaking the styling now
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aaronpk wonderful. don't break anything :)
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brianjesse tantek: yeah it's not done yet but I plan to comment on Eschnou's post today
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caseorganic OH: "but anyway, it works for me" -danielreeves
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tantek brianjesse - demo tomorrow then?
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@ozten RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp http://t.co/QFHBT7mazQ: Everyone has a Mozilla Persona account, if you have email - look under your chair
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donpdonp aaronpk: where is webmention support on your blog? im looking at http://aaronparecki.com/articles but its not obvious if support is there or not
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aaronpk it's not supported on articles yet, heh
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aaronpk only notes and replies
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pfenwick dreeves: Submitted via the website, but I don't think we had any joy there, either.
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donpdonp k thx
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@ozten New Post - Posted from IndieWebCamp http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ #indiewebcamp
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aaronpk donpdonp: example http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd
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pfenwick dreeves: I have been meaning to use callbacks to send data back to me, so this will be a good weekend to test them. :)
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brianjesse tantek: sure
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tantek "what I want to show you is where I write every day - ward.fed.wiki.org"
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tantek great start to any demo
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tantek any selfdogfood demo
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smus is there a hangout?
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brianjesse isn't dogfooding itself already selfdogfooding?
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@krynsky Just saw a quick demo from #indiewebcamp of the Beeminder #quantifiedself tool https://www.beeminder.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferb97e4&utm_medium=twitter another service to try :)
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tommorris smus: yes. I'll dig the url out
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: yes
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tantek brianjesse - no, see http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L51
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aaronpk smus: yes, http://indiewebcamp.com/2013#Participating
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smus tommorris: thx
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tommorris https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940
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tantek dogfood is typically only companies working on their own APIs
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tantek self is indie
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brianjesse tantek: thanks
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pfefferle why not e-content or p-summary?
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tantek indepedent
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @WardCunningham: I write everyday at http://ward.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html Instead of sharing a disk through a web interface, you have yours
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: first p-summay and fallback to p-name.. don't have handling html in e-content
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donpdonp aaronpk: if i wanted to add a comment to the note, using my own site, and willing to write code, id start with reading about webmention?
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aaronpk yes, and also /comment has some info i think
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: correcet link https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L48
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@pjf "Imma happy for you, and I let you finish, but @WardCunningham has the best looking timestamps of all time." #indiewebcamp
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@krynsky Info on Mozilla Persona Identity system RT @ozten: New Post - Posted from IndieWebCamp http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ #indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty is having a hard time making hangout work on ubnutu
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@ozten @WardCunningham "old model is webpages on a sharing disk. Federated wiki inverts the model to many disks shared via a client" #indiewebcamp
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pfefferle aaronpk: loops, just broke your site :(
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I have a wordpress install on http://caseorganic.com called Brain, that I email things I want to remember to
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aaronpk how broke?
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pfefferle aaronpk: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/20/1/webmention-indieweb
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aaronpk oops!
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pfefferle aaronpk: do you also use p-name?
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aaronpk yes i think so
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smus trying to configure indieauth on my site (https://indieauth.com/setup) but it's failing to find rel=me links. they are on smus.com but are display=none. they need to be visible?
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aaronpk i think iit falls back to content maybe
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I share family-only on flickr with 25000 screenshots from the web - they end up outranking originals on google
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pfefferle aaronpk: what about the other way? because that would make a lot easier for classic blogs.
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aaronpk i will consider it
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: what was response for the comment webmention on /39?
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @caseorganic: eventually flickr will say "fuck you" to me, so I have a flickr archive on my own site
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @caseorganic: only people with authorization can send to my brain, or look into it
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: resend the webmention and now it looks way nicer
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@krynsky Did I just hear @caseorganic discuss logging into brains at #indiewebcamp? Awesome.
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npdoty aaronpk, caseorganic have you looked at http://straup.github.io/parallel-flickr/ for backing up / maintaining a local copy of your Flickr account?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: nice! thanks.. I couldn't see it before.. what were you seeing?
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pfefferle the title of the post...
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@ozten I want @caseorganic Wordpress TheBrain plugin, so awesome! #IndieWebCamp Immune to service providers going away, searchable, sharable!
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@veganstraightedge @t Will you get everyone at @indiewebcamp fired up about using the etherpad so we can follow along remotely, please? Video is too bandwithy.
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: is it a bug that it doesn't show my full name?
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: what @caseorganic's demo shows is how indieweb is separate from social, as it is about your own stuff first
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smus yeah, seems to be only parsing the RSS <link> in my head, not any of the social things (which are display: none) cc: aaronpk
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aaronpk smus: what is your url?
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sandeepshetty tantek: +1 to etherpad.. having a hard time with hangout
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aaronpk oh got it
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caseorganic sandeepshetty: ok
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aaronpk smus: change your twitter and github links to https
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: I only have the name in the img title and alt right now...
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aaronpk and google
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp gravatar gives you a photo from an md5 hash of your email, but it is centralised. I federated it
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donpdonp 'how do i implemnet pingbacks?' '2. implement webmention instead' lolz
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aaronpk :D
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@ozten Watching @fmarier show how he hosts his own profile photos and the https://www.libravatar.org protocol #indiewebcamp
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@pjf #indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;)
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@scottclasen RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp gravatar gives you a photo from an md5 hash of your email, but it is centralised. I federated it
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ozten Go to bed know phone
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smus aaronpk: thanks. that worked!
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ozten s/known/now/
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aaronpk great! still need to find a better way to surface that error
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @benwerd: I just found out that Chrome on android runs out of memory and dies if you keep posting photos from it
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tommorris chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @benwerd: I am demoing chickens - a POSSE of chickens that syndicates out
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caseorganic benwerd: this service is beautiful
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caseorganic chicken, chicken, chicken
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caseorganic http://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf
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caseorganic ^^ important reading
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tommorris would love to see the UI in detail of how this guy's doing OSM checkin. or chickin
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@ozten Ben Werdmuller brought a posse of chickens #indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @benwerd: now I am using my checkin plugin it uses js geolocation + openstreetmap but no-one has a good POI db except 4square
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@WardCunningham I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc
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tommorris KevinMarks: depends on where. OSM POI database is pretty good. US is a bit rubbish in comparison.
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tommorris rather it's good in the UK
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tommorris not so good in the US
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smus aaronpk: seems pretty straight forward to fix
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tommorris may have helped make it quite good in the UK thanks to being such a bar-hopping mapslut. :)
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bret chicken
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @benwerd: by putting in a place name and a geolocation I POSSE to foursquare to get a better geopoint, and keep both
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bret where are you?
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tommorris Suburbia!
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ozten https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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caseorganic etherpad.mozillar.org/indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty thank you..
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smus possible to share screen? slides not readable from hangout.
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@npdoty @benwerd Chickens demo almost as good as checkins demo. Have you looked at privatesquare? http://straup.github.io/privatesquare/ #indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty the clapping is the clearest thing I've heard so far
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bret :(
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: so @tommorris and @benwerd are racing to be the 4th to implement indieweb comments
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @t: so @tommorris and @benwerd are racing to be the 4th to implement indieweb comments
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@julien51 The only reason why I keep a little faith in Google is the fact that several of its amazing engineers are at #indiewebcamp.
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tommorris barnabywalters: does PHP-uf2 parse <object> ?
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tommorris barnabywalters: trying to do <object class="p-author" data="#me"></object>
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barnabywalters tommorris: no, include pattern not happening yet
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barnabywalters haven’t sorted out how to deal with recursiveness
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tommorris yeah, gjones' parser isn't liking it either
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tommorris because I've sent you a webmention but your parser isn't liking my authorship ;)
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@ozten RT @pjf: #indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;)
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@ak2webd3 RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @WardCunningham: I write everyday at http://ward.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html Instead of sharing a disk through a web interface…
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tommorris barnabywalters: I linked to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/ but the link back isn't going to my site.
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tommorris which means that the author property isn't set properly. ;)
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@TryEventifier Tweets, pics, videos of #IndieWebCamp | Relive at http://eventifier.co/event/iwcp13/ @t @kevinmarks @bradfitz Thank you! 
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donpdonp how do people with shorturls like http://aaron.pk/r4Qd2 avoid hitting an existing url like http://aaron.pk/about
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donpdonp (assuming /about existed :)
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tommorris goes afk for a moment
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jacksenechal Huginn https://github.com/cantino/huginn
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp in response to call for an indie ITTT, @clint suggests: huginn https://github.com/cantino/huginn
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sandeepshetty help! can't see the speakers... ppl standing in front of the cam
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donpdonp pfenwick: https://github.com/cantino/huginn#huginn--your-agents-are-standing-by
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sandeepshetty ok I'm giving up on the hangout... can't hear a thing....
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@kevinmarks @kitt POSSE is Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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indiewebcamp sorry about the hangouts guys
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tommorris it's good. ;)
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tommorris the audio is a bit shaky
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indiewebcamp i'll move this computer into other rooms when we get going
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indiewebcamp should work better in a smaller room
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@pjf I'm going to talk at #indiewebcamp about Indie IFTTT. (aka: "API all the things!")
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tommorris I'm not sure what a content addressable semantic graph is though. ;)
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sandeepshetty t's mostly my connection
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @t: you have to have an HTML version, so why not make that your data master too.
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@benwerd I forgot to demo my alternate template! http://werd.io/?_t=hanshotfirst #indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty backcamp
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: can you also try to send me comment?
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barnabywalters who’s stylish shirt is that we can see?
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sandeepshetty sure..
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aaronpk oops haha I was talking through the indiewebcamp account
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barnabywalters mildly redesigned notes: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/
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barnabywalters not sure about the right-aligned metadata yet
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@skry RT @donpdonp: #indiewebcamp demos are starting http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos also irc freenode #indiewebcam.
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@JBezivin RT @WardCunningham: I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc
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tommorris barnabywalters: my links are still broken. trying to work out how to nudge your parser into accepting that my site is tommorris.org rather than waterpigs.co.uk ;)
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@kitt Following @kevinmarks and #indiewebcamp today, as I sprint to finish writing my first book. #exciting!
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: do you have an h-card on notizblog?
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@_le_fil_ Tantek: @kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too. #indiewebcamp demo.: http://tantek.com/2013/173/t1/posse-twitter-replies-indiewebcamp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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pfefferle yes, but no image
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pfefferle not yet
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: email is a write-only identifier, webfinger is supposed to make it readable
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barnabywalters tommorris: it’s not, the hrefs are empty
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barnabywalters so I’m not finding your author URL for some reason
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: webfinger mailing list has now become the ultimate bikeshedding, and I'm sick of all of it
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@tommorris Participating in #indiewebcamp remotely. Photo with Ward Cunningham in the front and me on the Google Hangout on ... http://tommorris.org/posts/8387
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barnabywalters I’ll have a look in the raw file
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tommorris barnabywalters: I haven't got a u-url in my h-card.
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: most people don't own their own domain name, emails are dying because people are on other walled gardens
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barnabywalters tommorris: that would explain it
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tommorris adding one
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pdurbin jancborchardt: you use Huginn?
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pdurbin whoops
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: all your emails are now signed with DKIM. We've come up with WebFist - email us and we scrypt it
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pdurbin wrong j. sorry
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tommorris aaronpk: no sound on the Hangout stream
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp #webfinger @haxor: all email form twitter, facebook or google is already DKIM signed so you can update using any of them
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tommorris that's how you get someone's attention ;)
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pdurbin hangout going on?
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tommorris works now
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tommorris pdurbin: yep
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aaronpk un-muted
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tommorris https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940
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barnabywalters tommorris: getting lots of weirdness on your site in safari
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tommorris layout stuff? yeah, need to sort that out
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pfefferle some frames...
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barnabywalters FRAMES
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barnabywalters also, fixed links on that comment you left
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tommorris oh, that'd be the objects. I should get rid of them
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tommorris barnabywalters: I'll send you another one for testing in a sec.
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WardCunningham we;re video chatting about federated wiki at http://bit.ly/SFWhangout
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@zarhooie RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp
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pdurbin who's giving the talk?
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barnabywalters tommorris: lack of u-url on the h-entry shouldn’t matter any more, I fall back to mention.from now
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pdurbin aaronpk: ah. looks like you're the one standing up and talking
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pdurbin (not that I can make out the words, unfortunately) :(
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aaronpk nope not me
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@BarnabyWalters Talking about peer-to-peer federated files haring at #indiewebcamp Reykjavik remote party:
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pdurbin aaronpk: huh. your camera, I suppose
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aaronpk yea i couldn't remember the login for my indiewebcamp gmail account
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tommorris barnabywalters: just sent you another ping. it works!
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pfefferle tommorris: you can also try pinging notizblog.org ;)
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pdurbin aaronpk: so whom are you filming?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: getting an error.. looking into it.. did you get a request from me?
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aaronpk the hangout computer is in the main room
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: no
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tommorris barnabywalters, pfefferle: fixed the objects thing.
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp facebook's rel=me link is now behind a captcha, commented out in a hidden element (with a sign saying beware of the leopard)
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@reidab I’d really hoped to get to #indiewebcamp this morning, but the post-@osbridge sleeps got me.
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@toddbarnard Goal: Merge @xoxo, @yxyy and @indiewebcamp into a single event by 2015 as to not spend $10,000+ in airfare and hotel to attend separately.
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: problem with my e-content
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sandeepshetty fixing
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barnabywalters tommorris: wonderful! the magic is beginning to wear off already ;)
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tommorris hey tantek
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tantek hey
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aaronpk barnabywalters: tommorris: and other remote people, just let me know which room you want me to move the hangout machine into! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule
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pdurbin aaronpk: maybe I'm reading http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule wrong. it seems like the main room should be empty right now
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aaronpk ah that was switched at the last minute...one sec
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tommorris thanks aaronpk
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pdurbin aaronpk: much better. thanks
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: source not found: http://www.sandeep.io/73
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@kevinmarks @shanley @kitt it's about people building their own web sites and connecting them: http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (yes @heroku could help)
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tantek hey everyone - please create etherpads for your sessions and add them to the main etherpad. See the top of this for details: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: ok, will have a look
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@benwerd Webfiiinger / The well-known URL with identity discovery data / To save for later #indiewebcamp
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eschnou hi all, how are things doing in Portland ?
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tommorris barnabywalters: your new comment view is lovely
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barnabywalters tommorris: oh thanks
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: my http-client can't access your web page...
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@SergioLuque Join Flight Crew #INDIEWEB and help us compete globally in Pocket Planes!
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@benwerd RT @WardCunningham: I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: if they are talking about public/private keys and keysigning parties with other people with beards, it's doomed
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@julien51 Reconfigured my http://ouvre-boite.com with my own XMPP server, since Google Chat is closing. julien@ouvre-boite.com #indiewebcamp #prosody
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tommorris aaronpk: feed is dead
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barnabywalters the session grid is looking fascinating — really regretting not being a) in portland and b) able to be in 12 places at once
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp so WebFist is giving WebFinger the finger?
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indiewebcamp chrome quit
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pdurbin ah... plugged in some external speakers and I can actually hear now
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: ok, had to set up the timeout… works now :)
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pfefferle still something wrong with my chard parser
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: warning on line 154 of webmention.php
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tommorris barnabywalters: worked out why my webmention wasn't posting. my HTTP library was trying to GET rather than POST
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: fixed. can you send it once again?
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tommorris barnabywalters: you have a new comment on http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/ ;)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: your css looks odd to me on that page now :(
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aaronpk oh there it goes... had to *really* hard refresh
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aaronpk now it looks quite nice!
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: sent.
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: yiha! worked
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pfefferle http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comments
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@obra RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: if they are talking about public/private keys and keysigning parties with other people with beards…
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barnabywalters tommorris: RE get vs post, that would explain it ;)
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: if you pick up the p-summary instead.. you will get just the comment'
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: see http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation
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tommorris barnabywalters: this is what I get for trying to use a "modern" and "up-to-date" HTTP library. should have stuck with the crappy old Ruby HTTP library from yesteryear
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: ok will change that
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eschnou barnabywalters, css is great on chrome, broken on my firefox. It would be nice if you could also style your webactions, because right now they break everything :-(
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tommorris barnabywalters: what eschnou said. looks fine on chrome but not on FF
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barnabywalters eschnou: ah, okay. I’ll have a look and fix it on FF
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barnabywalters eschnou: “break everything” — oh dear! how so?
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@timClicks RT @pjf: #indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;)
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: oh i see it now.... looking good
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@joshuajuran Crashing #indiewebcamp today :-)
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@eschnou @BarnabyWalters Here is how your webactions look in my browser. #indieweb https://twitter.com/eschnou/status/348529977379147778/photo/1
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: you made the same error… you have to encode the < to &lt;
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eschnou barnabywalters, Just tweeted a screenshot, and yes, I'm ashamed, but right now storytlr can't mix pictures and indiereplies..
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barnabywalters eschnou: okay, so it’s a bit ugly but hardly “breaks everything” ;)
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barnabywalters but is ugly, so will fix
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pfefferle tommorris: päääm http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comments
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eschnou barnabywalters, ha, well, yeah, it breaks the whole symmetry/balance/esthetic .. everything :-)
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tommorris pfefferle: your Link header broke my link header parser. having to switch it out for a non-broken one.
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pfefferle tommorris: oh, what was the fault? I thought it was like the spec said...
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: how are you checking for target link? in the h-entry or the whole page/dom?
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tommorris pfefferle: well, I wrote a regex to parse the Link header based on barnaby's example. yours is ever so slightly different
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: no, everything works fine, but it parses you summary like: "Excited to see wordpress support for webmention and some 22 Jun 2013 0 Comments 0 Likes 0 Reposts 0 Mentions" because of the <3
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pfefferle tommorris: that means "nothing wrong, only different"??
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sandeepshetty yeahs thats php-mf2
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: yes, and if you encode it like &lt;3 it will work...
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barnabywalters just to reiterate: UPGRADE TO PHP-MF2 0.1.15 and set $parser->htmlSafe = true and these problems will go away
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barnabywalters will add instructions to the readme after dinner
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tommorris pfefferle: yours doesn't quote properly.
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tommorris pfefferle: Link: <http://notizblog.org/?webmention=endpoint>
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tommorris rel=http://webmention.org/, <http://notizblog.org/t/1TB>
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tommorris rel=shortlink
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tommorris should be Link: <http://notizblog.org/?webmention=endpoint>
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tommorris rel="http://webmention.org/", <http://notizblog.org/t/1TB>
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tommorris rel="shortlink"
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tommorris note the quotes
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barnabywalters tommorris: you’re writing a regex to parse link headers? does your client not do that for you?
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pfefferle tommorris: oh ok, will change that, thanks
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tommorris barnabywalters: no, I'm switching to a library to do it
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tommorris barnabywalters: https://github.com/asplake/link_header/
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barnabywalters nice
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pdurbin jeez, you'd think the people in the hangout would want some lunch. guess they're hungry for indieweb!
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tommorris pdurbin: I had my dinner earlier. ;)
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tommorris although I may go for a quick break
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@TryEventifier Tweets, pics, videos of #IndieWebCamp | Relive at http://eventifier.co/event/iwcp13/ @benwerd @xtof_fr @julien51 Thank you!
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pdurbin tommorris: you're from the future
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tommorris BST is the future.
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tommorris I wonder whether it'd be naughty if I changed the map link to openstreetmap ;)
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pdurbin be bold
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pdurbin huh. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Scholarly_Markdown ... i thought that's what latex was for :)
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tommorris 50 Shades of Markup
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tommorris dude on screen seems excited. that's how I felt after coming back from IWCUK2012
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pdurbin dude with the hat?
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tommorris yeah
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pdurbin can barely hear them
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pdurbin rabbitmq or something. c layer
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: you should document the p-summary part in the wiki! it is a nice way to separate the "real" comment form the context you have to provide for your own readers!
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: really nice idea!
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pfenwick I keep forgetting the spycams are in here. :)
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tommorris hey ;)
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pdurbin pfenwick: move closer to the mic :)
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pfenwick I'm the guy in the tophat. I just got a message-bus working for Indie-IFTTT that I was working on.
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tommorris pfefferle: I was just saying you sounded excited. that's a good thing. ;)
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pfenwick pdurbin: I was actually about to grab lunch. Otherwise I'll be in a raging fit of hunger when I run my session.
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tommorris rapidly approaching 9:30 London time
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pdurbin pfenwick: eat eat you're getting thin
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pfefferle tommorris: i am, i am :)
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: It's on the wiki link I gave you earlier... see the section: "get the text of the comment to display"
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: also I normally have the same plain text version in e-content (http://www.sandeep.io/44) just changed it for the comment I sent you thinking that was the problem.. going back to plaintext in e-content again now..
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: wiki link: http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: yea! thanks! that helps a lot!
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tommorris just been having an interesting conversation about webmention - https://twitter.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/status/348537348151193600
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@ELLIOTTCABLE @tommorris what about, you know, apps *not* stuck in the noughties? WebSocket, or at the very least “AJAX” content?
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sandeepshetty :)
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barnabywalters ha ha ha — wow
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pfefferle time to implement web mention support for wordpress comments
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barnabywalters “I don’t write a blog” — then your opinions are not really relevant to this technology, which is a progression of blogging
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barnabywalters arrogance notwithstanding, more realtime-ey comments would be great
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barnabywalters but not a priority
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barnabywalters getting widespread indiecomment support is a priority
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barnabywalters realtimeyness can be added by implementors if they care about it
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tommorris barnabywalters: to be fair, Elliott is a well-meaning semi-troll I've known for some years. ;)
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pfefferle what i meant was more like a way to answer a webmention comment and that is also a comment in wordpress
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tommorris I do think that any approach to web development where you don't actually get back the primary content of the page in the damn browser when you have JS turned off is fundamentally broken and represents a complete wrong path in contemporary web developmen
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tommorris s/$/t/
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Loqi tommorris meant to say: I do think that any approach to web development where you don't actually get back the primary content of the page in the damn browser when you have JS turned off is fundamentally broken and represents a complete wrong path in contemporary web development
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tommorris and any technology that guides people away from that is a good thing
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://www.sandeep.io/73
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pfefferle <3 ;)
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pfefferle is someone of you supporting url fragments to point to a specific id which should be parsed??
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/
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pfefferle for example http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213610 points to tommorris comment and only that should be parsed
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sandeepshetty parsed for what?
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pfefferle webmention
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pfefferle if i use this as source http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213610
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sandeepshetty you mean as a source?
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pfefferle that means that not the article should be parsed but the comment instead
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sandeepshetty shouldn't matter to webmention..
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sandeepshetty it just wants a link to target
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pfefferle you, but to your implementations
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pfefferle ;)
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sandeepshetty it's indieweb comments that cares about h-entry
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pfefferle yea, but that sites has more than one… then
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sandeepshetty you want the target (receiver) to come back to source and only parse that comment for picking up the in-reply-to right?
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pfefferle yes
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sandeepshetty s/right/content, right/
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Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: you want the target (receiver) to come back to source and only parse that comment for picking up the in-reply-to content, right?
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sandeepshetty the thing is that #fragments are something clients should understand...
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sandeepshetty the way to do it is to tell php-mf2 to parse only from that id
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sandeepshetty I jsut did a comment to a comment just now btw.. but in a twitter kinda way.. each is it's own post.. and you could theoretically follow the in-reply-to to get the thread
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pfefferle do you parse every hcard on the site or only the first one?
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sandeepshetty I parse them all but pick up only the first one if there isn't an author in the h-entry
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barnabywalters see /authorship for author h-card determining algorithm
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sandeepshetty http://www.sandeep.io/74 is in-reply-to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/ which is in-reply-to http://www.sandeep.io/64
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barnabywalters see also https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L117
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pfefferle but shouldn't you look at all h-entries for the u-in-reply-to
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pfefferle ???
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: I asked the other day about some confusion I had about that on IRC.. but nobody answered.. I couldn't figure out the rel-author stuff
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barnabywalters getAuthor($hEntry, $mfContext)
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: I'm assuming you are sending the post details page.. with only 1 h-entry
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pfefferle the comments are entries too
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barnabywalters comments on a h-entry shouldn’t be h-entries at the same level
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barnabywalters they should be h-entry p-comment to the parent entry
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barnabywalters http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Use_case_for_same_page_u-in-reply-to
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sandeepshetty hree's my version : https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L31
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sandeepshetty s/hree's/barnabywalters, pfefferle here's
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Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: barnabywalters, pfefferle here's my version : https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L31
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: I'll look at your to make sense of what I didn't understand... btw I've also extracted my stuff in a separate file and will be making it a package soon https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php
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barnabywalters woot multiple implementations!
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barnabywalters bear in mind getAuthor is not an absolute implementation of /authorship — based more on what I’ve seen in the wild
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sandeepshetty this is more like aaronpk's mention-client + (i'm guessing) your cleaner
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: are you only checking the u-like but not the url? that is definitively wrong http://www.sandeep.io/73
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: yeah I just quicky hacked it up in the morning today...
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sandeepshetty I should defn check that it's the same as target
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Loqi it is probable
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sandeepshetty what did you send in that webmention?
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tommorris right, I need to disconnect from the stream
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tommorris it's after 10pm and I've reached saturation point. ;)
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sandeepshetty GN
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tommorris yep, thanks sandeepshetty
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barnabywalters goodnight tommorris
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Loqi night
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tommorris and thanks barnabywalters for helping earlier with webmention testing
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: no, only if it is inside the h-entry
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: if you would cycle through all entries, than my comment would show up: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: sorry didn't understand..
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: right.. I stop at the first h-entry
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sandeepshetty the assumption is that there is only one h-entry per page..
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pfefferle if you check every h-entry on a page to find the one that points to the target, than it would be possible to have comments and the post on one page and it would work nevertheless
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: is there no h-feed in uf2? is it now recommended that you have multiple h-entry per page instead?
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barnabywalters pfefferle: that *is* possible if you mark the comments up correctly
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pfefferle i did
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pfefferle http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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barnabywalters so, there are not multiple h-cards at the root level
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barnabywalters no, not h-comment
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barnabywalters p-comment as a property of the h-entry it’s in reply to
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barnabywalters there is no h-comment
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barnabywalters see http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Use_case_for_same_page_u-in-reply-to
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barnabywalters and, live implementations: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/
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npdoty https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-citation
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@datacosmos #dataecosystems #indiewebcamp Mycelial networks of autonomous nodes will replace the skyscraper models of today.
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aaronpk https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiebox
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barnabywalters I take that back — advantage of remote participating is that I *can* be in multiple sessions at once ;)
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npdoty https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-citation
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: even I did go over the comments properly I still have the problem of my db structure at the moment that assumes only one "Type" of mention from a url
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pfefferle barnabywalters: but you had the same problem on your site: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QaEgT/
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: so it allows for only one triple per (source, target, type)
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npdoty https://github.com/karthikram/markdown_science
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pfefferle barnabywalters: you also take the first h-entry, if it links to your site or not…
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barnabywalters pfefferle: I need to fix that, you need to mark up comments properly ;)
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pfefferle they are… aren't they?
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barnabywalters no, I pointed out why several times. They are marked up as h-entries on the same level as the h-entry they are in reply to
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barnabywalters they should be p-comments *of the h-entry they are in reply to*
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barnabywalters or are we talking about completely different things?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: this is good stuff.. I still need to think about allowing more than one mention from a given source...
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barnabywalters agreed, great testing material!
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pfefferle barnabywalters: i understand that they might not be marked up like the wiki said, but per definition it should work without any changes
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barnabywalters pfefferle: yes, and I need to fix that
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pfefferle no problem, only wanted to know if my idea was wrong or not ;)
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pfefferle nevertheless i think i should provide permalinks for my comments, that is way easier to handle!
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: didn't tantek ask about support for id in php-mf2? i.e., to start parsing only from id
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pfefferle yes…
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barnabywalters yep, going to add it this evening/tomorrow
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: you mean one post per comment right? like the one I sent earlier?
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pfefferle yes, that a comment has it's own url (with only one h-entry)
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sandeepshetty I was just adding checks to see that the like==target, repost==target but realized that they are all arrays :(
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aaronpk erinjo: caseorganic: can you guys take notes on your session on the etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp make a new doc with the session hashtag like the ones on that page
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sandeepshetty mf2 is toooo flexible :p
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: I’m guessing you’ve never used RDF… ;)
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pfefferle :D
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barnabywalters who was it who wasn’t publishing u-url on their h-entries?
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pfefferle i was it, but i added it yesterday
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pfefferle ah and tommorris?
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: nope.. and I'm guessing that's a good thing :)
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tommorris pfefferle: I wasn't publishing u-url on my h-card not on my h-entry
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sandeepshetty still here :)
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aaronpk tantek: care to chime in on this thread? https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13
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pfefferle barnabywalters: i changed my script to search for like, mention, in-reply-to (must add url) and fall back to search if the content has a matching url
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@drnormal RT @pjf: Today I'm celebrating a successful week at #osb13 by going to IndieWebCamp.
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pfefferle barnabywalters: if it doesn't find one it tries the next h-entry
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pfefferle but i have to add summary and name
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barnabywalters pfefferle: that sounds more robust
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/268d3e3b3ce5a8622a9955d0b5090b9eb2ce6683
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aaronpk barnabywalters: were you trying to say something?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: nope, there are a load of others here so I muted
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aaronpk ah ok
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aaronpk I only see you on the hangout now
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, it terminated but I refreshed
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: looks good, but do you still parse only the first one?
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aaronpk everybody else left?
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: yeah need to think about that a bit
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: I have a bad connect so it's sorta pointless..
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sandeepshetty I'm just hanging around on IRC
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aaronpk heh ok
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barnabywalters I’m *really* really tempted to weigh in on that webmention issue but don’t trust myself not to say something stupid
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bnvk barnabywalters: DO IT :D
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aaronpk yea... i'm trying to write something not too snarky
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sandeepshetty is reading #13
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aaronpk trying to find a citation for the duplicate content problem that microformats addresses
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tantek aaronpk - DRY principle?
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aaronpk tantek: yea, I thought there was a page on microformats.org
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sandeepshetty his point about dynamic content is very valid though
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KevinMarks http://microformats.org/wiki/dry
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barnabywalters thanks KevinMarks
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tantek that works
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tantek :)
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tommorris my view is very simple: dynamic content isn't on the web. it's on some layer of crap on top of the web
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aaronpk thanks
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tommorris all the backbone.js front-end abusers aren't building the web anymore. they are building web.js
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aaronpk web.js lol
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barnabywalters “if I can’t get it with a GET request, it’s not on the web”
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tommorris if I can't open up Lynx, type in the URL and see the content, it's not on the web, it's on web.js
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tommorris and call me an old-fashioned fundamentalist, but I prefer the web to web.js
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barnabywalters discovered lynx last year and loves it
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znmeb My web site used to be listed in the "Lynx Hall of Fame" ;-)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: can I put that quote in my reply to this?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: please do, also note I stole it from Jeremy Keith and can provide citations if required
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aaronpk [citation needed]
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aaronpk the more I can reference with URLs the better
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barnabywalters okay, will find link
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barnabywalters actually you could probably use any random blog post on adactio.com and it would convey the same message ;0
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barnabywalters ;)
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aaronpk hahahaha
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Loqi hehe
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barnabywalters aaronpk: okay, it’s in here somewhere: http://vimeo.com/42225804
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sandeepshetty "The last time, the simple tools we all built exceeded our most outlandish predictions of their social impact in every regard." - https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/65fb61abc815
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aaronpk hah ok i'll just link to the video
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aaronpk ok https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13#issuecomment-19865368
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: based on http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming I will still be parsing just the first one.. but might have to follow p-comments... but it's still uncertain which one applies no?
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: based on the tone of his comment I doubt he will buy anything we have to say :) plus from his own admission ("I don’t write a blog" - https://twitter.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/status/348537348151193600) he is looking more at "apps" than content
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@ELLIOTTCABLE @tommorris what about, you know, apps *not* stuck in the noughties? WebSocket, or at the very least “AJAX” content?
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aaronpk hahaha
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tommorris play the ball, ladies and gents, not the man.
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk that's quite the thread
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tantek what thread?
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tommorris Elliott means well. I disagree with him profoundly, and he may seem like he's trolling slightly, but he is genuine and means well.
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aaronpk on twitter
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aaronpk tommorris++ for linking to http://tommorris.org/posts/2547 in that thread!
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Loqi tommorris has 9 karma
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tantek wow
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tantek Elliot's flaw: "I don’t write a blog" - yeah, but he tweets. So he sharecrop blogs.
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tommorris from my perspective, the amount of times I've been screwed over by bad JavaScript doing unpredictable things when, say, disconnected from the Internet
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tantek so meh
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: Sounds Good! Will rethink my markup!
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tommorris like, Wikipedia and Quora. I use both. Quora is absolutely ridiculously over-engineer front-end wise. And it's failed on me hundreds of times while using it. wikipedia has only a very minimal layer of javascript that's tacked on for admin/maintenance work etc.
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tommorris and I happily deal with that all day long
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sandeepshetty pfefferle: if there are multiple links (from different comments) to target, there is no way for me to determine which one applies... unless I look at the source url you sent and parse out the #fragment from it
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tommorris I'm unrepresentative, I'm sure, but the non-JS heavy stuff actually is more usable
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@pjf Neat. My exobrain publisher is now watching 4SQ check-ins, and my subscriber is sending them to my phone via XMPP. #indiewebcamp #indieifttt
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aaronpk heading to the auth jam session
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sandeepshetty BTW, did I mention comments on my site are UPDATEABLE?
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tommorris because I've been using the web for over 15 years, I have hard-wired into my brain how the web works. go around and fuck with that to build sexy web.js apps and my brain breaks
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aaronpk barnabywalters: do you want to come to the auth jam session?
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sandeepshetty tommorris: I agree but even with web.js there is the underying static json services..
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sandeepshetty my first attempt at webmention was actually activitypingback (json activitystreams based) but then I realized its better to be dry
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sandeepshetty it's just that for the web.js guys the json is the dry representation
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sandeepshetty tommorris: also I think the biggest flaw in his comment is "Abandon spam-checking altogether" -https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13
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tommorris the problem is that there's no semantics in JSON
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tommorris like, the semantics of a JSON document are "whatever some programmer dreamt up"
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sandeepshetty tommorris: they are working on that.. json-ld
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sandeepshetty (for e.g.)
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tommorris oh, no, I love me some JSON-LD
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tommorris but that's not what I mean either
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sandeepshetty you mean like a schema?
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tommorris like, there's not even a base level of semantics beyond "herp derp this is a string"
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tommorris at least with HTML, there are links. in JSON, there are just strings that look vaguely URL-like
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tommorris if it doesn't have links, it's not part of the damn web
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sandeepshetty I see what you mean...
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tommorris like, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia</a> is a link
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tommorris a div that at some point might have some javascript that makes it so that when you click on it, it'll make your browser change its location to http://en.wikipedia.org/ - well, okay, that's *sort of* a link
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@benwerd Ha! No-one came to my session on #following, which means I get to see an extended demo of Camlistore. Awesome. #indiewebcamp
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@beemuvi Fixes and improvements to our webhook feature for mirroring your data. Real-time PESOS! http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS #indiewebcamp HT @pjf
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@benwerd @tryeventifier I also have event photos up on http://t.co/Wak7BLmaOJ, which has feeds tagged #indiewebcamp. Feel free to syndicate.
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sandeepshetty tommorris: that doesn't feel like a link at all.
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: did you want me to join a hangout?
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bret is there smoeone from superfeeder at IWC today?
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aaronpk barnabywalters: sorry I can't figure out the audio with this thing
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barnabywalters aaronpk: no problem, I can hear you okay
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barnabywalters brennan and I are busy with webmention stuff anyway :)
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indieauth
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barnabywalters thanks, I’m following along
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barnabywalters npdoty: yeah, or not shout quite so loudly about them
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @bradfitz's Camlistore is looking like an implementation of The Mine Project http://themineproject.org/about/
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pfefferle I am off to bed... See you tomorrow... Bye Bye!
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donpdonp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5087005/google-authenticator-available-as-a-public-service
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @haxor @bradfitz http://themineproject.org/ is @adriana872 and @alecmuffet's project that Camlistore would fit nicely
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aaronpk yea... I don't think mediawiki has that option
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aaronpk http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot
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donpdonp http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5087005/google-authenticator-available-as-a-public-service`
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aaronpk crap, I forgot to take a picture of the whiteboardj
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aaronpk oh good, most of it got captured in the wiki
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sandeepshetty aaronpk, barnabywalters: https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13#issuecomment-19866344
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk just got the email notification from github :)
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: “is your username an acronym” — BOOM! :D
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aaronpk sorry for the wiki spam guys
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barnabywalters aaronpk: no, I’m looking forward to reading all the notes!
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bret :p it's for a good cause
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aaronpk some of them are just stubs :)
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Loqi READ ALL THE NOTES http://loqi.me/7Wg
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aaronpk thanks loqi!
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Loqi you're welcome
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barnabywalters what’s the status of IWC at the mo? we’re wrapping up here
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barnabywalters actually had a really great turnout! lots of good discussion
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aaronpk barnabywalters: cool! we're in the second to last session, one more then we'll be heading to dinner
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barnabywalters nice — okay, heading off now. Thanks for all the great discussions and see you tomorrow :)
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aaronpk dreeves: are you taking notes in an etherpad?
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bret hrrm?
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@haxor #indiewebcamp Marketing jam – Talking about Cohort Analysis http://bslatkin.github.io/cohorts/ /cc @ozten
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donpdonp pfenwick: https://ifttt.com/recipes?sort=popular
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@sandeepshetty Some interesting criticism of #webmention "Your design seems stuck in the noughties" http://www.sandeep.io/75 #indieweb
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sandeepshetty calling it a day (it's 5 AM here) looking forward to reading all the notes.
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Loqi READ ALL THE NOTES http://loqi.me/7Wg
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donpdonp http://ankisrs.net/
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bret what is the etherpad for the ifft talk?
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bret sorry
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aaronpk https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-exobrain
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bret ty
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@snas_dk @choochoobear well this clears it up. I will be borderline obsessive until NO US company controls my thoughts. #ownyourdata
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aaronpk "Most of what I do on the web is creepy" -pjf
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bret o.0
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dreeves tantek: what etherpad are you adding to? something other than https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-exobrain ?
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aaronpk oh there he goes
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donpdonp last year's IWC identity discover api: http://openfollow.net/
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