#indiewebcamp 2013-07-09

2013-07-09 UTC
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@michielbdejong RT @t: #IndieWeb Creators: email hhalpin@w3.org TODAY and join @W3C #SocialWeb workshop 2013-08-07…08 in SF. More: http://tantek.com/2013/189/t6/indieweb-creators-today-join-w3c-socialweb-workshop-sf
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aaronpk oh! crap thanks for the reminder
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bret ack, can someone PM tantek's email address to me?
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bret nm think I found it
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tantek oh hey bret
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bret hey
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tantek yeah it's kind a obv, but if you want my public W3C official use address - it's the cs.stanford.edu one
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tantek that starts with tantek@
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bret ok
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bret cool :)
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bret sent
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tantek nice
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bret I'm thinking that maybe some kind of super simple google app engine type tool + client side JS is the way to bring dyanic stuff to static pages
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bret for my site
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bret trying to process lots of data from cross domain sites using client side JS seems way too daunting right now for me
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aaronpk tantek: did you submit something to talk about as well?
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tantek I sorta did - general indieweb demos. And I asked for an extension to send in details.
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tantek anybody wanting to demo realworld indieweb stuff can ask for an extension by emailing Harry
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tantek (details in my post)
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tantek http://tantek.com/2013/189/t6/indieweb-creators-today-join-w3c-socialweb-workshop-sf
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aaronpk I just wrote up a chunk on indieauth. was considering also throwing in something about distributed/syndicated comments, talking about what everyone is doing with comments on eschnou's post, and how news.indiewebcamp.com fits into the mix as well
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@BrianUwsm RT @t: #IndieWeb Creators: email hhalpin@w3.org TODAY and join @W3C #SocialWeb workshop 2013-08-07…08 in SF. More: http://tantek.com/2013/189/t6/indieweb-creators-today-join-w3c-socialweb-workshop-sf
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bret aaronpk: wouldn't it be cool if we couldld get calegator to implement indieweb events?
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poppy somewhat indieweb
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poppy anyone have opinions on GitLab?
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bret its self hosted github!
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bret its a nice project
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poppy yes
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bret it looks fairly involved to run though
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poppy yes
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poppy hence asking first ;)
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bret what are you thinking you want to do?
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poppy also, their own demo appears to get stuck on "loading commit data..."
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bret weird
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poppy run my own code repo hosting
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poppy and not use trac, which I'm not much a fan of
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bret the simplest thing there is just git over ssh
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bret to a trusted shell account
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poppy well, have a web interface and URLs for code repos
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poppy because rare is the day I would expect someone to download a repo before seeing what it is about
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poppy and I already use github, but I feel weird having github be the "canonical" url for any project
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bret yeah that is a little weird
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bret i know the feeling
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bret github goes down too
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bret git lab looks awsome
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bret but I didn't have the patients to figure it out
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poppy i have workarounds for github going down, just want a web interface
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bret for now I am sticking with just mirroring to github and locally, but I should set up redundant mirroring on bitbucket too
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bret the other thing you see a lot of is gitweb
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bret looks as ugly as trac, as confusing too
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poppy hmm.
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bret let me know if you find something like gitlab, but smaller scale/easier to run
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bret seems like that would be a good project for someone
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poppy Starting to think a static site generator on commit hook isn't a bad path
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poppy Alright, thanks for verifying the bad-install smell
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poppy thanks bret!
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bret poppy: are you using jekyll?
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poppy i am trying
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poppy are you asking because of my patches?
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poppy i'm currently running nothing but my own terrible CGI scripts
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bret no, just contextual guess
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bret poppy: found some really interesting tools that can be used to self host jekyll blogs racently
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bret recently*
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poppy bret: it's not that it's hard, it's that I'm not sure how I feel about the thing yet, and a lack of time
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bret http://prose.io/ brings an awesome posting UX to jekyll/other git repositories
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bret it runs nearly 100% client side in the browsser
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poppy i'm one of those strange folks who is more comfortable at the command line :)
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bret https://github.com/developmentseed/jekyll-hook offers a github like jekyll server
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poppy although for others, this is interesting. Thanks for the pointer, bret
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bret poppy: I understand that, I'm trying to be that way too, but its bought to do CLI on mobile
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bret tough*
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poppy yes it is
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poppy i am still trying, but as a partial compromise bought a very light laptop
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bret that helps
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bret poppy: associating a domain name with the projects github page might be the simplest way to associate the project with a non-github address till you figure out your self hosted solution
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pdurbin poppy: gitolite is supposedly nice. and lightweight
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pdurbin bret: gitweb is distributed with git (as you may know). it's good enough for me: http://git.greptilian.com :)
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bret is it hard to set up?
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bret googling now
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bret I dont mind gitweb
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bret in fact, I have it on my someday list
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tantek aaronpk - sounds great. re: "chunk on indieauth..."
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@mudouparutena RT @t: #IndieWeb Creators: email hhalpin@w3.org TODAY and join @W3C #SocialWeb workshop 2013-08-07…08 in SF. More: http://tantek.com/2013/189/t6/indieweb-creators-today-join-w3c-socialweb-workshop-sf
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@osiziqol Portland friends, doing one last coffee &amp
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Loqi snack meetup / #indieweb hack session 15:30 today at Backspace: backspace.bz (ttk.me t4Qu5)
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@xtof_fr La Renaissance des Pingbacks http://christopheducamp.com/blog/la-renaissance-des-pingbacks/ #indieweb #wordpress
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aaronpk !tell poppy I run GitLab for a whole bunch of private repos. It's a bunch to run if you haven't run Ruby/Rails apps before, but pretty typical setup if you're familiar with that stack.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk bret: I'm sure they'd accept a pull request for microformats-2 support https://github.com/calagator/calagator
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aaronpk I know there was some talk of updating to the new rails version, but I should check with them to see where that is in their pipeline now
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bret aaronpk, ill poke around. It would be great to be able to RSVP or post events with a webmention
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@xtof_fr My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://christopheducamp.com/blog/15227681/
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@xtof_fitbit My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://christopheducamp.com/blog/15227681/
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@QSParis My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://christopheducamp.com/blog/15227681/
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@MyDataLabs My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://christopheducamp.com/blog/15227681/
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/blog/la-renaissance-des-pingbacks/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (pingback)
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bret RIP MSN TV XD
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erikmaarten has anyone here experimented with Smallest Federated Wiki on their own servers yet?
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cweiske i'm puzzled by the buttons at the bottom
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2013-07-09%20smallest%20federated%20wiki.png
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bret erikmaarten: no, but when you do let me know how it goes
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bret apparently they have a G+ meeting about it ever wed
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bret every*
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erikmaarten right
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bret cweiske: i think those icons represent the history, clicking on them shows you the past history
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erikmaarten I'm short on time for fiddling with that kind of project over the next few weeks, exams coming up, but after that I definitely will!
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bret definitely an intriguing presentation I might add
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bret cool erikmaarten :)
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bret tantek: did you see chloe's side twitter? https://twitter.com/30SecondRecipes thats some funny stuff!
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erikmaarten bret: yeah, definitely intriguing, I've kind of been wondering for a while now why no one seems to be using it :) Will try it out myself in a while anyway, hopeful something worth going further with
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bret it seems like a totally newish UX, and it doesn't really explain itself
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bret so its like, uh, what am I looking at here
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bret *click* *click*, oh shit did I just edit something?
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Loqi poppy: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 38 minutes ago: I run GitLab for a whole bunch of private repos. It's a bunch to run if you haven't run Ruby/Rails apps before, but pretty typical setup if you're familiar with that stack.
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tantek bret that is pretty hilarious
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pdurbin bret: were you asking how hard it is to set up gitweb? it's not hard. and all my config is at https://github.com/pdurbin/greptilian-vagrant
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erikmaarten.com edited /User:Erikmaarten.com (+240) "Made the page non-empty" (view diff)
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tommorris welcomes IShadowed, a friend of mine who has just launched her own site.
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IShadowed waves
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tommorris These nice people will now convince you to start adding all sorts of magic for cross-site comments.
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tommorris and other such fun.
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IShadowed excellent (maybe)
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tommorris if you have rel=me links on your site, you can also sign into the indiewebcamp.com wiki
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matthias_pfeffer :)
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IShadowed I'll have to play with those
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adactio Indiewebbers: I've been thinking …it might be better to have IndieWebCamp UK on Saturday, September 7th rather Sunday, September 8th, to maximise usage of people in town for dConstruct.
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adactio Or possibly even have a two-day IndieWebCamp
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adactio There's a Clearleft office-warming party on the *evening* of Saturday, September 7th, and Maker Faire would be going on all weekend, but I reckon the afternoons should be free.
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tommorris adactio: I'd love to go to both, but I'll be in the US at a wedding.
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adactio tommorris: ah, crap
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tommorris eventually wants to get a London indieweb show'n'tell going.
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adactio Still, we should have a bunch of smart people in town: Tantek, Brian, Amber, Aaron, Glenn. Barnaby?
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tommorris and not just for nerds doing comment syndication stuff, but to see interesting work going on design-wise
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tantek adactio WFM
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adactio tantek: I'm afraid I don't understand your acronym banter, dear boy.
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tommorris works for me
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adactio Ah!
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tommorris (I saw a man in Soho recently wearing a 'YOLO' shirt and had to resist the urge to take the piss.)
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adactio I'm *hoping* that we'll have connectivity at the new Clearleft office in time for IndieWebCamp, but if not, we can have it at Prem's "Institute For The Recently Possible" (across the street from the Skiff)
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adactio I met this smart German chap recently and I hope he can make it to IndieWebCamp UK: http://thenittygritty.co/the-future-of-the-web-a-draft
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tommorris "paymentServices": ["Stripe", "Amazon Checkout", "Google Checkout", "Not Paypal"]
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donpdonp TIL Wearing YOLO in SOHO is a NONO.
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donpdonp sorry, couldnt resist that one.
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donpdonp in other news, my activitystream has a new trick. when my laptop turns on, it posts all nearby access points to a php endpoint which ends up in http://donp.org/as/. I hope to leverage that for some kind of automated location.
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tantek adactio, in particular, a 2 day indiewebcamp would be excellent. what with how much progress has been made even in just the past 3 months, I have a feeling we'll easily be able to make excellent use of 2 days
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adactio tantek: cool. Part of the reason why I want it to be on Saturday too is that I might have to duck out on Sunday afternoon to catch a plane to Germany.
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tantek Demos at 4pm Sunday, finished by 5pm worked well for the recent indiewebcamp
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tantek so we can just schedule demos early enough that you can stay for that before you have to duck out
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aaronpk perhaps this time since I won't be organizing it I will still be up for some post-indiewebcamp gatherings instead of going home and crashing early :)
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tantek how's the Adactio Content Management Engine doing? ;)
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tantek aaronpk - exactly, whoever's left I'm sure will be up for post-hacking at a pub or somesuch
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adactio tantek: it's not. ;-)
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tantek pretty sure benwerd said he's working on making it over for dConstruct and IndieWebCampUK as well
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tantek (not a typo, not sure about benward, still waiting for them to both be in the channel at the same time watching the auto-complete hilarity ensue)
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JonathanNeal donpdonp: I've always wondered, if YOLO, then couldn't one just as easily justify that to live cautiously?
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tantek yes
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aaronpk new idea for my sidebar: show all future RSVP posts and their corresponding events
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benwerd aaronpk: that's really smart. Like that a lot.
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barnabywalters yes yes yes yes yes two day indiewebcampuk yes
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aaronpk like my own little upcoming.org!
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aaronpk especially since I can RSVP to anything now that I can host my own copy of an event
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@veganstraightedge @MrAlanCooper @daksis Get into the #indieweb movement. Help us make a better future.
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JonathanNeal What does "straightedge" mean?
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JonathanNeal Got it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge
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EHLOVader it should be all over the web
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EHLOVader http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=straightedge
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EHLOVader its been around for awhile
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JonathanNeal Since the 80's, it seems.
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EHLOVader can't see it being too popular now though, isn't punk dead?
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EHLOVader are there still punk bands rolling out... under that label
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EHLOVader here is a nice series of cloudcasts from OHNM or OGHONM regarding punk music http://www.mixcloud.com/EHLOVader/playlists/punk/
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bret donpdonp: thats awsome!
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donpdonp bret: thx.
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bret what are you plans for the data?
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donpdonp bret: right now its simply theft recovery
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donpdonp bret: the json bits go into a pub/sub channel with an irc bot on it, so there is definitely opportunity there
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bret cool!
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bret hopefully it doesn't come to that though (getting stolen)
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EHLOVader are there any open location databases?
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donpdonp it was fun to play with dbus, which is the most overengineered API I've ever had to deal with (in open source)
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EHLOVader google should have quite a list of GPS or general location info based on wifis'
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donpdonp EHLOVader: i started http://geomena.org/ a while back, but it doenst get much use.
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EHLOVader gears used to
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EHLOVader http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10841181/how-to-use-google-api-to-get-the-location-based-on-wifi-mac-address
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EHLOVader when donpdonp comes back, he may be interested in http://www.wigle.net/
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bret whoa cool maps
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EHLOVader wait till you zoom in
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tantek and today's exception is - when the comments section (hosted offsite even) is better than the article itself: http://www.wired.com/design/2013/06/superpowers
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tantek a new indieweb site: http://jakearchibald.com/
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tantek " I decided to build everything from scratch to force myself to learn Vagrant, Puppet and other general sysops stuff that was on my "to explore" list. This was dumb in terms of how long it took me to get everything up & running, but I have no regrets."
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pfefferle sandeepshetty: hey hey
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bret tantek: Harry says no travel budget for the social web conference :(
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bret Maybe I can fund a super cheap ticket
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bret find*
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tantek bret - you should!
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tantek and maybe we can see about starting up an indieweb scholarship
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bret that would be sweet
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tantek what if we held a 1-day indiewebcamp hack session the day before the W3C workshop?
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tantek just as a way to help indieweb community members polish off their features/interop before the workshop
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bret If I can come down I would certainly make it
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tantek aaronpk, benwerd - what does 2013-08-06 look like to you?
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benwerd August 6th, 2013
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bret Maybe work on some kind of multi-person demo or something
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tantek benwerd - and here I thought you were British
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benwerd Wait, you're not asking me about timestamps
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tantek bret - I'm figuring it will look even more hilariously awesome if we just happen to reply / comment / like etc. stuff from each others' demos
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benwerd you're asking me what I'm doing that day
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benwerd goes to check
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tantek even if other people go *in between* us
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benwerd tantek: day's clear
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benwerd (and I'm not, but that's a whole other story)
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tantek ok let's plan that tentatively then
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tantek 2013-08-06 indiewebcamp hack session - pre w3c-socialweb
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bret Yeah that might actually be more interesting, you are right
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benwerd cool
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tantek bret - it will also have the impact of demonstrating actual community/interop
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tantek instead of a bunch of one-off academic brainfart handwaving ideas
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tantek no offense to academics
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bret XD
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tantek let's tentatively say we can crash in the common area @MozSF as a backup until/unless we get a more formal venue
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bret Cool!
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benwerd Very nice
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benwerd So did everyone get a position paper in? (I did)
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bret I did the paragraph
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bret :p
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benwerd Yeah, I hadn't realized that was an option until it was too late. Poor Harry got a 1300 word essay
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benwerd But cool
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bret You have significantly more to write about than me though
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benwerd honestly, it was a bunch of one-off academic brainfart handwaving ideas
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benwerd but I hear that's in style ;)
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bret haha
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Loqi hehe
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benwerd j/k, obvs
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bret I now understand what jasonp
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bret is
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tantek lulz
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bret ok, see you all later
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tantek aaronpk and anyone else who is POSSE threading replies, what to do when the post you're commenting on (reply to) doesn't explicitly link to its syndicated copies?
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tantek e.g. http://tantek.com/2013/190/t2/standards-public-domain-law-begin-with-microformats is essentially a reply
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tantek in fact let me go mark it up as such
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tantek or no wait, I'll do that later (as part of Falcon)
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tantek however the original article: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/publicresourceorg-prevails-free-speech-case-over-publishing-safety-standards
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tantek doesn't directly rel=syndication link to its copy on Twitter
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tantek https://twitter.com/eff
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tantek closest I can find to a "tweet" copy of that article is this: https://twitter.com/EFF/status/354709580456009730
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@EFF http://t.co/Z4hHtz8RCb, @CarlMalamud and @EFF score major victory for free speech and open government: https://tiny.eff.org/2bWK
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tantek that tweet copy does follow enough to make it possible to do original-post-discovery
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tantek * link is at end of tweet
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tantek * link at end of tweet is at the same domain as the website of the account - "eff.org"
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tantek so if, as a good indieweb citizen, I reply-to the original, how am I supposed to have my code (Falcon) auto-discover the Twitter POSSE copy?
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tantek any thoughts?
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tantek or is that a case where we should just link to the indieweb article (on eff.org) and not bother trying to thread POSSE replies on Twitter?
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tantek OR should a posting UI (e.g. on Falcon) attempt to rel-syndication auto-detect the POSSE tweet copy, and failing than, present a simple text field to paste one in manually?
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tantek re: note vs. article vs. blog post debate: http://tantek.com/2013/190/t3/memorandum-originally-mean-blog-post
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benwerd tantek: I've leaned towards simply including a second text box. I'm auto-detecting rel-syndication links these days but don't want to guess where it's not explicitly present, and would still like to reach out on Twitter where possible.