#indiewebcamp 2013-08-02

2013-08-02 UTC
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bret How do people use instagram and flickr here?
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aaronpk every photo I take on my digital camera ends up on flickr marked as private
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shaners bret: please to be more specific?
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aaronpk I selectively make some of them public, usually as a set of photos from an event
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aaronpk instagram is for timeline-like sharing of photos
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aaronpk bret: does that answer your question?
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shaners bret: or are you asking about the way we use apps to get photos to those sites?
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@veganstraightedge @timbray Do you know about the #indieweb stuff that we're working on?
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bret sorry aaronpk and shaners, got a phone call right after I asked
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bret it wasnt clear why one would use both IG and flickr to me, so I asked :)
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bret but I didnt want to phrase the question that way, I gues I am just trying to learn how people see the purpose to either service
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@xtof_fr Les microformats par @t (vidéo 72')
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aaronpk this is a great comment prompt:
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aaronpk "Want to comment on your site? The trackback URL is http://www.bogost.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/2353 Want to comment on my site? Use the comment form below."
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aaronpk from http://m.bogost.com/blog/oauth_of_fealty.shtml
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f-a not found (2353)
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aaronpk i think it only responds to POST requests
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f-a ohh
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neuro` Good morning campers.
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aaronpk good morning
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bret is a trackback like a webmention without any kind of automatic discovery?
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aaronpk it's basically pingback
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aaronpk wow just ripped out a bunch of code from indieauth
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aaronpk i think it still works, too
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aaronpk haha
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neuro` Pingbacks... the UDP of commenting.
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aaronpk ok big changes to indieauth coming. i hope i didn't break anything
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bret :) Did you work out those forwarding issues>
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bret ?
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aaronpk yepper
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Jihaisse hello
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Loqi in aaronpk/IndieAuth/refs/tags/2013.198 by https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/2013.198
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Loqi 13 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/b6b0f42e6ef1...40c83f79b32d
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Loqi aaronpk: in verify_link.json, don't actually go fetch all the rel=me links on the domain, just look for the one profile we're checking for. Saves a bunch of HTTP requests when verifying.
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Loqi aaronpk: stub method for "verify" which only allows tokens to be used once
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Loqi aaronpk: supports intermediate redirects, fixing #19
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Loqi aaronpk: fixes infinite redirect loops
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Loqi aaronpk: really fixes redirect loops and also speeds up checking by stopping earlier. fixes #19. also drops a bunch of old code that wasn't used anymore.
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Loqi aaronpk: enable the /verify route
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Loqi aaronpk: cleanup
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Loqi aaronpk: be more strict about not following insecure redirects. bubbles up the redirect error to the user (#20)
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aaronpk here it comes
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aaronpk seems to work reasonably well!
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aaronpk it's a lot faster to re-scan now too
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@Indie_Auth Updates to IndieAuth: better handling of redirects on domains, better error messages, faster profile URL scanning! #indieweb
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aaronpk *whew* ok goodnight!
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Loqi ciao
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@devseo The IndieWeb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem - http://benwerd.com/2013/07/09/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem/
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melvster unable to connect tantek . com
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neuro` works for me
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melvster back up now
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@elroyjetson @erunyon @brad_frost Seems to be more in line with the Indieweb movement - http://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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@elroyjetson @dap6000 @tkadlec @brad_frost Already done in a less offensive way http://indiewebcamp.com
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@MediaMavJeyMari Spending the weekend in post for our webseries for @Decay_NJ Cant wait for you guys to see it! #indieweb #webisodes #shirtsandjerks
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barnabywalters mmm hmm
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aaronpk hah!
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aaronpk wow that's a fun thread
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barnabywalters hm, we certainly have friction
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/dap6000/status/363301102965358592
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@dap6000 @tkadlec @brad_frost @elroyjetson Frictionless sharing leads to bullshit. Requiring a little effort to participate keeps the riffraff away.
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barnabywalters and so far it’s kinda been a feature
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barnabywalters esp. no spam
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/dap6000/status/363301966362836992
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@dap6000 @elroyjetson @tkadlec @brad_frost So how do we write THAT up in a way that'll get us some venture capital? "Making the web elitist…again."
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aaronpk ^^ missing the point
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aaronpk I do like the response: https://twitter.com/elroyjetson/status/363302172525473792
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@elroyjetson @dap6000 @tkadlec @brad_frost Already done in a less offensive way http://indiewebcamp.com
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@TheCrewScene RT @MediaMavJeyMari: Spending the weekend in post for our webseries for @Decay_NJ Cant wait for you guys to see it! #indieweb #webisodes #s…
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@veganstraightedge A Tumblr about site deaths after getting bought by bigger company. #indieweb #ownyourdata
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aaronpk ironically on tumblr, lol
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shaners aaronpk of course
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tantek aaronpk, shaners, that reminded me, the site-deaths page needed a bit of clean-up
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shaners tantek: sounds like a great Friday project for you! ;)
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shaners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+1313) "fix dates to use ISO8601, check past "upcoming" site deaths and move to past accordingly, note (citation needed) for a bunch of reported site-deaths without substantiating URLs" (view diff)
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tantek shaners, done.
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tantek reminds folks to please use ISO8601 dates for datestamps :)
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shaners i pre-warded you with the Rebecca Black video, tantek!
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tantek totally
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neuro` Because it's Friday?
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neuro` Hi benwerd, shaners, tantek (ISO8859-15 friendly alphabetical order)
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benwerd unicode wave
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neuro` Just pushed a new feature on Publify to turn #hashtags and @mentions into links, time to break my blog updating it
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@getpublify Just added mentions and hashtags to link for short statuses. See http://t37.net/st/30737-majdanafissa-thx-everything-s-explained-there-http-indiewebcamp-com-twitter-poss
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@fdevillamil RT @getpublify: Just added mentions and hashtags to link for short statuses. See http://t37.net/st/30737-majdanafissa-thx-everything-s-explained-there-http-indiewebcamp-com-twitter-poss (fv.gs VIXnnw)
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tantek neuro` nice!
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tantek are auto-links of HTTP(S) URLs coming soon? e.g. for "http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSEtoTwitter" in that post
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tantek oh oops - looks like your code interpreted the _to_ as meaning italicize and removed them the _ from the URL
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSEtoTwitter should be http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter
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tantek on http://t37.net/st/30737-majdanafissa-thx-everything-s-explained-there-http-indiewebcamp-com-twitter-poss
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neuro` tantek: I'm currently writing the specs (unit tests) for the auto urls for http(s), ftp and gpher.
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@neophiliac Thinking about building an #indieweb "me-page" app to manage data for TimelineJS. https://github.com/VeriteCo/TimelineJS cc/@JohnMetta
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neuro` And I've seen the problem, it is caused by the markdown filter that should not be applied to urls
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neuro` I need to either suppress text filters on our statuses content, or fix that
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neuro` After a few tests, the URL inside the link is OK, but the text is not
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tantek would be neat to see your tests (plain text and expected auto-link markup right?)
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tantek and see how well the CASSIS auto_link function does on them :)
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neuro` Found a workaround for the something_something_somethingelse
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tantek.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+157) "/* Facebook API */ see also critique of FB "platform"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+157) "/* Facebook API */ see also critique of FB "platform"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+0) "/* Facebook API */ ws" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+0) "/* Facebook API */ ws" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, shaners, check this out - FORTRAN version of NewBase60 code: http://draketo.de/light/english/fortran-surprises#sec-2
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aaronpk whoa crazy
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@fdevillamil @majdanafissa Thx :-). Everything’s explained there: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSEtoTwitter #indieweb #posse. http://fv.gs/emfOQ8
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neuro` Huh ?!
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neuro` I didn't check the posse to twiter button
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shaners banananananas
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neuro` It's published on 127.0.0.1
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aaronpk lol
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neuro` tantek: I didn't expect to add a major feature to Publify (content pre hooks) at 30 past midnight... but auto extract now works. Displayed URL is still broken at http://t37.net/st/30737-majdanafissa-thx-everything-s-explained-there-http-indiewebcamp-com-twitter-poss but the URL inside the link is OK. I need to find a fix better than gsub("<em>", "_")
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neuro` Here, the problem comes from the BlueCloth library
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tantek another past in-reply-to example (fortunately the originals are still online) : http://tantek.com/2011/009/t3/value-searching-finding-past-tweets-self-hosting
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tantek it's both a mult-reply example, and an example of part of note replying to two URLs, and another part replying to a 3rd URL
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tantek so this is similar to I think the example that sandeep gave a while ago about a blog post where different paragraphs reply to different other URLs - does anyone remember that?
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tantek for now I'll probably just display it as a multireply, but I'd like to come up with some way to display inline reply-contexts too
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tantek perhaps that's just a blockquote?
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tantek anyone else encounter a situation/post like this?
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neuro` I do
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/24213884298592256
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@zeldman .@t But making a carbon copy of your every digital fart and linking said fart to said copy to prove a point is neurotic in the extreme.
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neuro` I used to link only + sometimes add a screenshot, but I believe that's not enought anymore.
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tantek aaronpk - yes, and now you see one of the reasons why I don't permashortlink back to the original if it is no more than the POSSEd copy.
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk yea I've gotten an occasional comment about that, but every time I explain the () vs ... convention everybody goes "ohhh, cool"
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tantek heh
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aaronpk that's one thing app.net does right! they have an explicit field for the canonical URL
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tantek.com created /app.net (+21) "r" (view diff)
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neuro` Another reason to use the (foo.bar something) convention is that Twitter does not count "exotic" TLDs as domain name per se unless you actually add the protocol. So here we get 15 VS 21 characters, which is not so bad when you're limited to 140.
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tantek neuro` exactly - space savings
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neuro` But I had many "hey, your URL shortener thing is broken"
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aaronpk yea I got more "your URLs are broken" comments when I was (briefly) doing it that way
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tantek people seem less annoyed by "is broken" than by "why are you making me click for duplicate content?"
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neuro` True.
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tantek so I figure design for least annoying
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tantek aaronpk could you document that about explicit field for the canonical URL here somewhere? http://indiewebcamp.com/App.net
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neuro` I'm thining about adding the real link when the actual content has to be cut because it's too long
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tantek maybe in http://indiewebcamp.com/App.net#POSSE_to_ADN ?
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tantek neuro` yes - that's the right reason
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tantek all the reasoning for all this is explained here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Notes_to_Twitter
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aaronpk yes, that's when I remove the parens and switch to ... http://
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tantek aaronpk - specifically that's described here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_abbr_note_to_twitter
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tantek ":" before a permashortlink also works nicely
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tantek if there's a ": " in the text near where you need to ellipse
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aaronpk yes, although I find you need to be more explicit in where the text cuts off to use the ":" effectively
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tantek yeah - I do tend to write my content accordingly
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neuro` [OT] Argh, no more coffee and it's 1:30 AM :(
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bret bedtime
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neuro` Good night bret
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Loqi ciao
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bret bye
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (-174) "move 2013-11 shutdown to the future" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /App.net (+1156) "/* POSSE to ADN */ added info about app.net's new Pourover project and added info about the "crosspost" annotation" (view diff)
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aaronpk there we go
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neuro` What do you think about the self hosting (that implies some sysadmin skills and lot of maintainance) VS pushing content hosting plattforms to have a fully open API so users can get their data back when they want?
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neuro` As a sysadmin, I'm always freaked out by the idea of millions people running a never updated / monitored VM with a sometimes updated Wordpress on it.
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aaronpk dreamhost has been doing a good job of being aggressive about getting people to update their wordpress
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tantek citation?
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aaronpk uh
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aaronpk lots of emails in my inbox
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neuro` Because even though they may have the basic Linux skills to upgrade / update their kernel / PHP version / whatever, they usually lack the knowledge of knowing that they got pwned
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neuro` With wordpress powering ~ 15% of the Web now, the idea of another Wordpress worm is more than scary.