#indiewebcamp 2013-08-11

2013-08-11 UTC
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shaners aaronpk: at work we have lots of little apps. we only use html+mf2 and pull to communicate between them. most apps publish a feed.
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shaners other apps poll/pull every 10 minutes.
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shaners they check timestamps/etags to see if the page has changed since last check
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shaners if it has, then we parse out all of the h-entrys
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shaners compare the list of h-entries in the feed with our list of uids of already fetch h-entries.
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shaners then we save only the new ones
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shaners right now they only poll/pull from one url. but it could cycle through N feeds doing the same thing.
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shaners sounds like Indie Feed Reader to me, right?
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shaners aaronpk ^
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aaronpk interesting, I suppose so
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shaners then it's a matter of what ui we'd do with with the fetched entries
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shaners but, aaronpk, it's already built in rails. i'm so sorry. :P
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aaronpk hehe
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shaners which means it won't run on your computer or server
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aaronpk oh i can run rails
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aaronpk i run a bunch of ruby apps already
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shaners aaronpk: i doubt it. :D
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aaronpk !tell tantek ok! webmention.io is now set up to handle and display comment counts for your site! There should be enough instructions/code on the home page! http://webmention.io/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk thinking about giving remote sites permalinks on my own domain so that I can show the page in context of my site
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aaronpk for example http://werd.io/view/5202ba48bed7deaf49392cd1 would have a URL on my site of http://aaronparecki.com/external/werd.io/view/5202ba48bed7deaf49392cd1 which would show his h-entry in my design along with my comments below
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aaronpk would basically show the reverse of http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/07/4/osfw3c
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shaners aaronpk: i think that's weird.
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aaronpk why?
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shaners i feel like, let his post be his site. you replies already show his content in your design as context.
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aaronpk i had the thought after I replied twice to a single post
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aaronpk also this would give me something to link to when the site disappears or turns into a parked page
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aaronpk just a thought. super not high on my priority list
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shaners isn't that what the indie archive is for?
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aaronpk yeah it would be using that in the backend to store it
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shaners i think you should optimize for "the site still exists, i should link to that" and if/when it dies then host your own copy of the linked to page
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aaronpk absolutely
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aaronpk i didn't say i was going to *link* to the copy on my site, just that it would exist :)
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shaners ooooh
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shaners that's not crazy then
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shaners sorry. misunderstood.
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aaronpk ah yea, subtle
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aaronpk night! getting some sleep before biking 33 miles tomorrow! :)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 8/10 at 3:01am: you in particular have a nice web UI for editing / deleting your posts, and you POSSE publish them, thus I'd be interested in your feedback on this full POSSE CRUD thinking: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#CRUD
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werd.io edited /POSSE (+162) "Idno updates, delete UI suggestion" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (-3) "moved h-cardy bit from header to footer" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (-98) "Removed PuSH from level one IndieMark score" (view diff)
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jihaisse hello
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neuro` Hi
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Loqi [mention] https://eschnou.com/entry/good-bye-friend-im-outta-here-google-62-25018.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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eschnou So, Loqi, you show webmentions in the irc room??? This is awesome! Good bot!
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Loqi woot!
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@dellasm RT @wordsprof: Backstage at the trailer shoot - 1 way authors can use #Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/stevepiacente/400-pages-in-2-minutes-the-bootlicker-trailer/ #selfpubl #booktrailers #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/366576029973745665)
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@CreatusSeries RT @wordsprof: Backstage at the trailer shoot - 1 way authors can use #Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/stevepiacente/400-pages-in-2-minutes-the-bootlicker-trailer/ #selfpubl #booktrailers #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/366577328677064704)
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@eschnou @janosizoltan @nithou Ce que je fais avec mon blog, storytlr et l'esprit #indieweb en général. (twitter.com/_/status/366581069195124737)
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@arynyoungless RT @wordsprof: Backstage at the trailer shoot - 1 way authors can use #Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/stevepiacente/400-pages-in-2-minutes-the-bootlicker-trailer/ #selfpubl #booktrailers #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/366587367273934852)
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@gfxman RT @edsu: late to the #osfw3c party? here are all the tweets on one page http://inkdroid.org/tmp/osfw3c.html <- Nicely done. (twitter.com/_/status/366589327024730115)
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@ehafen @mikeklymkowsky @EffyVayena Indeed interesting especially the economization of patient data by third parties #ownyourdata @SwissHealthBank (twitter.com/_/status/366598011239276544)
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@webtechman @appfusions YW! It's great to see WOA (Web-Oriented Architecture) gaining adoption in the Enterprise! #SocBiz #osfw3c @w3c (twitter.com/_/status/366598844265402369)
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@ehafen Guter Artikel in @sonntagszeitung zum Kampf um persönlich eDaten, ein 330 Mrd € Markt in 2020. #ownyourdata @SwissHealthBank (twitter.com/_/status/366606636216893440)
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Loqi [mention] http://christopheducamp.com/b/2013-07-09/la-renaissance-des-pingbacks/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (pingback)
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bret !tell tantek Just read http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#CRUD Looks good, although back feeds seem like there would involve a lot of caveats relating to replies being updated on the silos after they have been back fed to someones site.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bret Could microformats-2 essentially ally with JSON-LD so that the two were consistent? At least on the vocabulary side of things? MF2 could be be the representation of the data inside of HTML and JSON-LD could be the JSON representation
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bret The vocabulary from uF2 should be reusable no matter the representation, it might be worth trying to keep it consistent with something like json-ld, or at least a subset of some of these other specs
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neuro` Good evening.
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shaners bret: mf2 already has a json representation
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bret right
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shaners the burden is on them get compatible with that
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shaners not on mf2 to support a second json representation
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bret well, I certainly wouldn't advocate for a second representation ;)
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shaners not to mention there's a pretty Religious™ separation between the Semantic Web / Linked Data crowd and microformats. Which is why they keep re-inventing the everything instead of building on top of the mf work
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bret I wonder if we/me/someone should negotiate that at least a subset of the existing vocabulary be made consistent
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bret shaners: Hrrm. I'm new to all these arguments too. Did not know that
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shaners bret: hop into #microformats
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pdurbin shaners: oh, I thought LinkedData was older
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shaners pdurbin: TBL gave his ted talk about LD in 2009
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shaners pdurbin: hop into #microformats if you wanna talk about this, so we don't pollute the #indiewebcamp waters. ;)
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pdurbin :)
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shaners alright friends, i'll be AFK for a while. doing an airport pickup. laters!
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: posted thoughts on expanding #indieweb #POSSE to full POSSE #CRUD functionality: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#CRUD (ttk.me t4RT1) (twitter.com/_/status/366674860988051457)
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message on 8/10 at 8:22pm: ok! webmention.io is now set up to handle and display comment counts for your site! There should be enough instructions/code on the home page! http://webmention.io/
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 2 hours, 2 minutes ago: Just read http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#CRUD Looks good, although back feeds seem like there would involve a lot of caveats relating to replies being updated on the silos after they have been back fed to someones site.
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tantek reads the logs for today
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tantek whoa
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tantek nice logo aaronpk
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tantek has so far resisted taking the jQuery load hit on his pages
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tantek ah I see eschnou did a silo quit
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@bethelightwrite Never let other people bring you down. #I'mAnIndieAndProud #indieauth #amwriting (twitter.com/_/status/366678292826292225)
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@loicknuchel I just support Mailpile and you probably sould do the same http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-back/cstw/4361368 #mail #secure #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/366678946026242048)
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aaronpk tantek: ah yea good point. it wouldn't be hard to do it w/o jQuery, I'm just not very in practice with pure-browser JS
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bret aaronpk: what logo is tantek talking about?
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aaronpk webmention.io
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bret ack, should I start using that?
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bret instead of pingback.me
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aaronpk they both work the same, but sure
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aaronpk they're both pointed at the same app
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bret oh ehe
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bret heh
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aaronpk pingback.me is registered through 2014, i'll probably let it expire then
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aaronpk june 2014
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bret do they share the same data?
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aaronpk yea, literally the same app
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bret ok
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tantek aaronpk - I wonder if it'd be worth collecting some donations for indiewebcamp to pay for things like hosting/domain fees for the site and community sites like pingback and such
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shaners aaronpk tantek: i've been thinking lately that our domain is too event focused
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tantek shaners - indieweb was taken ;)
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shaners and that maybe we should get indieweb.io for the wiki
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tantek so the bikeshedding ship sailed back in 2011 :P
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shaners and keep indiewebcamp.com for the event specifically
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shaners or at least, use both for the same wiki
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tantek we should at least get a shortener for indiewebcamp.com
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tantek like we have ufs.cc for microformats.org
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Loqi yea
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shaners pipe down, Loqi
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tantek but subdividing domains for different purposes is basically a huge waste of admin time
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tantek sorry to say shaners
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shaners then i propose we migrate to indieweb.io with indiewebcamp.com redirects to the .io
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tantek sounds like busy work
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tantek meh
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tantek OTOH
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tantek rels with URLs are really ugly looking, so I'm going to register rel="webmention"
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aaronpk tantek: +1 for rel="webmention"!
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aaronpk i'd be up for collecting donations, this stuff is starting to add up!
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tantek shaners - also - note that indiewebcamp.com is CC0, so if you want, you could setup a mirror at any domain you wish to put the time into registering, hosting, and implementing.
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aaronpk I think I had indieweb.me last year but I let it expire
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shaners rolls his eyes at tantek
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Loqi [mention] http://michaelsanborn.net/?p=122 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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tantek at this point, indiewebcamp.com has a lot good google juice too, so any proposal to move away from it would need to justify the work involved (or volunteer to do so, shaners ;) ) and the work to restore its linkrank/pagerank etc.
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aaronpk I also kind of think having a .com is important
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tantek aaronpk I agree
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shaners ok ok. i think you're both wrong. i think we're still early days with this thing. and i think the camp.com domain is too event specific. but i'll move on.
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aaronpk iwb.io is available for a url shortener, heh
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tantek shaners - I think you're misweighing priorities
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aaronpk I see what you mean about the *camp.com being too event-specific, but I think there are other solutions
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shaners tantek i think you're not thinking long term enough
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aaronpk like de-prioritising the event stuff from the home page
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tantek shaners - I'm thinking long term to the point where we keep so much of this content on our own pages that we're not even using a wiki-silo/commons any more ;)
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aaronpk keep in mind that camp also means "A group of people who think alike or share a cause"
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tantek aaronpk - good point
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aaronpk citation: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Camp
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tantek like which camp are you in
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aaronpk which camp are you in? the microformats camp or the schema.org camp? ;)
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tantek lol
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aaronpk neither, i'm in the indieweb camp!
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shaners all the time we're hash tagging things #indieweb, but our domain is indiewebcamp. i think building/making/proving is part of our long term success. but part of it will be the branding/marketing.
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aaronpk if indieweb.com was available I would take it. but it's not worth the hassle and ridiculous cost it would take to get it
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shaners we should reframe the messaging on the wiki to match the "which camp are you in?"
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Loqi it is probable
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aaronpk shaners: that sounds fine with me. I do like the idea of bringing more of the indieweb content up to the front and moving the event stuff to the event-specific pages
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aaronpk tantek: i'm glad you like the new webmention.io logo! I kind of liked the P better, but this will do.
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tantek aaronpk, shaners, I do like the "call to action" aspect of keeping the next indiewebcamp info/details at the very top
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aaronpk yeah, something on the home page for the next one is good, but right now pretty much the whole home page is about the event
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tantek above all, the in-person events help form stronger bonds that help scale a stronger community
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shaners aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 197 karma
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aaronpk tantek: ok here you go, async webmention loading without jquery! https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/6207445
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tantek aaronpk - a while ago I edited the home page to be split partly about the next event on top, then indiewebcamp in general (what is the indieweb etc.), then some archive notes about previous camps
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shaners tantek: you can drop the type=text/js attr on your script tags
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tantek one thing we could is simplify the home page to just: 1) next indiewebcamp, 2) about the indieweb in general, and then 3) most recent previous indieweb (so folks looking for what just happened can find stuff)
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aaronpk that is reasonable
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tantek also - having all the team photos on the home page I think humanize the effort quite a bit
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tantek humanizes
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tantek great photos :)
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shaners i like the team photos too
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tantek it's something that strongly distinguishes the indiewebcamp community from any other open source community
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shaners word
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shaners aaronpk: how did your ride go today?
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tantek community makes or breaks very project, every effort, every standard